AIA Convention resolution - the 3rd try. Rebuttals, please! - Page 3

cantonear1968 · 2nd May 2017, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by beachnut;11822110

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ae911t, a cult based on lies, and the ignorance of the followers

The ones I shake my head at are the ones who think that 9/11 Truth is growing as a movement when all indicators, such as what this thread is about, are to the contrary. Whether they're getting caught up in their echo chamber or simply believing in an alternative reality is the mystery.

DaveThomasNMSR · 3rd May 2017, 11:17 AM

Got this yesterday via email.

Call for Professional Integrity Goes Unheeded

Faced with Historic Opportunity to Ask for
New WTC 7 Investigation, Architects Vote ‘No’

Representatives of the American Institute of Architects’ local and national governing bodies voted overwhelmingly against supporting a new investigation into the total collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC 7) at the Institute’s annual business meeting held in Orlando on April 26, 2017.

Resolution 17-5, which was sponsored by 70 AIA members — and which initially had the backing of more than 200 members before the AIA introduced a rule late in the process that required handwritten signatures from sponsors — garnered 4% of the vote from delegates.

The 4% tally was a setback to concerned AIA members and activists who had hoped to continue the upward trajectory that saw support for a reinvestigation grow from 4% in 2015 to 11% last year.

Lack of Will Drives Most Delegates

In spite of powerful remarks by architects William Prevatel, David Mack, and Richard Gage, who urged their fellow members to follow their conscience, most of the 400+ delegates in attendance voted against putting the AIA on record as supporting a new investigation. The question is, “Why?”

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The tepidly-worded position issued by the AIA’s board of directors — identical to last year’s position — was that WTC 7’s collapse “has been investigated thoroughly by competent authorities with reasonable conclusions.” But our interviews after the business meeting with two-dozen delegates who had voted “no” told a different story.

The vast majority of these delegates indicated no disagreement with the argument that WTC 7 did not collapse from fire. In fact, nearly half of them agreed that it was likely — if not completely evident — that WTC 7 was brought down in a controlled demolition.

Nonetheless, most of them voted “no” because, as they put it, this was an issue the AIA should not take on. “It’s not our responsibility as architects,” some said. Others felt it was time to move on. One of those who agreed that WTC 7 was demolished said he thought it would have little impact if the AIA took a stand on the issue. Perhaps most unsettling, though, were the few architects who said they simply didn’t care.

The air of indifference was in stark contrast to the feelings we met with two years ago when openly hostile opponents labeled us “conspiracy theorists” and last year when there was a noticeable groundswell of support at AE911Truth’s expo booth, which manifested itself in 11% voting “yes.”

Our efforts this year were clearly hampered by two factors: the AIA’s decision to deny AE911Truth an expo booth and the fact that the business meeting was held before the convention rather than on the final day of it. The schedule change gave us no chance to communicate our message on the expo floor (with or without a booth) and resulted in fewer rank-and-file members attending the business meeting (10% fewer votes were cast this year).

The Message Is Getting Out — So What’s Next?

Although the outcome of this year’s vote was disappointing, our resolution campaigns over the past three years have nevertheless accomplished a great deal.

Thousands in the local and national AIA leadership are now unmistakably aware of the questions surrounding the collapse of WTC 7. They have been given numerous chances to act courageously on their newfound awareness. History will not look kindly on the professionals who shrank from these opportunities.

Over the next six months, we will double down on our efforts to educate the architecture profession through our continuing education courses, which AIA and non-AIA architects can earn learning units for taking.

We will also now be able to shift much of our energy and resources to promoting the WTC 7 computer modeling study being conducted at the University of Alaska Fairbanks. It is our hope that the WTC 7 study, which is scheduled to be released in August, will cause a tectonic shift within the engineering community and will attract significant media coverage.

As those efforts evolve — and after surveying the AIA members who sponsored this year’s resolution — we will revisit the question of whether to spearhead a fourth resolution campaign.

In the meantime, we’d love to have your input on how we should continue to move the fight forward. We also invite you to donate toward our work. After all, we can continue the march forward only if we have your ideas and your support.

We at AE911Truth are sincerely grateful to all the dedicated activists who’ve donated to our AIA resolution campaigns and to all the courageous architects who’ve participated in them.

benthamitemetric · 3rd May 2017, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by DaveThomasNMSR

Got this yesterday via email. ...

Looks like a polished version of the spin Tony tried out at the 911 Truth subreddit over the weekend, though at least they actually communicated the outcome, in contrast to how they have still utterly failed to communicate anything about the outcome of the Plasco investigation or about the existence of the Aegis expert or WAI reports.

Looks like they are putting all their chips on the Hulsey study at this point. Too bad for them it has shaped up to be a biased sham that will not even be subjected to independent peer review. I haven't seen a single truther actually even try to defend (1) the fact that Hulsey public stated a conclusion prior to his team finishing the work necessary to reach that conclusion, or (2) the fact that Hulsey has now publicly admitted that the study was extremely limited in scope, only focusing on certain aspects of the NIST report, and thus it was impossible for him to have reached a broad conclusion re the "impossibility" of a fire induced collapse, in any event.

Oystein · 3rd May 2017, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by DaveThomasNMSR

Got this yesterday via email.

https://gallery.mailchimp.com/d03bf3...175e55a060.jpg

Call for Professional Integrity Goes Unheeded

Faced with Historic Opportunity to Ask for
New WTC 7 Investigation, Architects Vote ‘No’

Representatives of the American Institute of Architects’ local and national governing bodies voted overwhelmingly against supporting a new investigation into the total collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC 7) at the Institute’s annual business meeting held in Orlando on April 26, 2017.
....

Look at Gage's fans insulting AIA and her members on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/ae911truth/...54436966186269

Will Gage man up and return his AIA membership?

DGM · 3rd May 2017, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Oystein

Look at Gage's fans insulting AIA and her members on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/ae911truth/...54436966186269

Will Gage man up and return his AIA membership?

If Gage was an honest man he would disassociate himself with the AIA because it's clear they don't support him.

He's not so, He will proudly display his AIA badge and frown when they catch him using it to advance his cause (making him take the logo down).

benthamitemetric · 3rd May 2017, 07:59 PM

Here is Gage's speech to the AIA at the convention in support of his resolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kusdpR7xaU

To his credit, though he watered down the resolution to hide AE911Truth's actual views on the collapse, he does not so water down his comments. To his discredit, the speech is the same tired collection of easily disproven analogies and conclusory statements we've seen for years. In any case, the vote tells the tale of how well this was received.

Myriad · 3rd May 2017, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by DaveThomasNMSR

Got this yesterday via email.

https://gallery.mailchimp.com/d03bf3...175e55a060.jpg

Call for Professional Integrity Goes Unheeded

Faced with Historic Opportunity to Ask for
New WTC 7 Investigation, Architects Vote ‘No’

Representatives of the American Institute of Architects’ local and national governing bodies voted overwhelmingly against supporting a new investigation into the total collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC 7) at the Institute’s annual business meeting held in Orlando on April 26, 2017.

<snip>

In other words: "All the lurkers support us in PMs."

pgimeno · 3rd May 2017, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by DaveThomasNMSR

In the meantime, we’d love to have your input on how we should continue to move the fight forward. We also invite you to donate toward our work. After all, we can continue the march forward only if we have your ideas and your support.

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DGM · 12th March 2018, 01:39 PM

The convention is in NYC, June 21-23. I don't see any action from AE or that they plan to attend. Surely they won't let this event pass considering the success they have had.

http://conferenceonarchitecture.com/

ProBonoShill · 13th March 2018, 01:25 AM

Originally Posted by DGM

The convention is in NYC, June 21-23. I don't see any action from AE or that they plan to attend. Surely they won't let this event pass considering the success they have had.

http://conferenceonarchitecture.com/

Gage has pretty much given up and let the no planer clowns take over AE911, Hulsey's so called study is a farce that will never be published in a respected journal (if he ever completes it at all) and Basile's so called dust testing where he scammed gullible truthers to the tune of five thousand dollars or more all adds up to a bunch of nonsense where the last thing they want to do is participate in a serious convention regarding architecture.

benthamitemetric · 14th March 2018, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by ProBonoShill

Gage has pretty much given up and let the no planer clowns take over AE911, Hulsey's so called study is a farce that will never be published in a respected journal (if he ever completes it at all) and Basile's so called dust testing where he scammed gullible truthers to the tune of five thousand dollars or more all adds up to a bunch of nonsense where the last thing they want to do is participate in a serious convention regarding architecture.

Who says they actually want to participate in these events? They just use them for PR. As long as they are allowed to rub shoulders with respectable professionals, they will use that to the greatest extent possible project an illusion of respectability. None of the actual professionals will be persuaded by these shenanigans, but that's not the point. The point is to keep duping the rubes. So don't be surprised if AE911Truth keeps showing up at conventions and then blasting news releases related to them. They know their resolutions won't pass. That's not why they go.

Pinch · 14th March 2018, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by benthamitemetric

duping the rubes.

Truer words have rarely been uttered. It appears to be the core, the very heart of the Truther mission/vision statement, a statement that has been no doubt adopted by all the whack-job Truther organizations.

Richard the G · 18th March 2018, 03:20 AM

I suspect that thy will give this year a miss. It’s in New York and the New York architects and engineers know too much to be dupes

2nd May 2017, 11:18 AM	#81
cantonear1968 Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,605	Originally Posted by beachnut;11822110 <snip> ae911t, a cult based on lies, and the ignorance of the followers The ones I shake my head at are the ones who think that 9/11 Truth is growing as a movement when all indicators, such as what this thread is about, are to the contrary. Whether they're getting caught up in their echo chamber or simply believing in an alternative reality is the mystery.
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3rd May 2017, 12:21 PM	#83
benthamitemetric Muse Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 516	Originally Posted by DaveThomasNMSR Got this yesterday via email. ... Looks like a polished version of the spin Tony tried out at the 911 Truth subreddit over the weekend, though at least they actually communicated the outcome, in contrast to how they have still utterly failed to communicate anything about the outcome of the Plasco investigation or about the existence of the Aegis expert or WAI reports. Looks like they are putting all their chips on the Hulsey study at this point. Too bad for them it has shaped up to be a biased sham that will not even be subjected to independent peer review. I haven't seen a single truther actually even try to defend (1) the fact that Hulsey public stated a conclusion prior to his team finishing the work necessary to reach that conclusion, or (2) the fact that Hulsey has now publicly admitted that the study was extremely limited in scope, only focusing on certain aspects of the NIST report, and thus it was impossible for him to have reached a broad conclusion re the "impossibility" of a fire induced collapse, in any event.
benthamitemetric Muse Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 516	Last edited by benthamitemetric; 3rd May 2017 at 12:23 PM.

3rd May 2017, 02:56 PM	#84
Oystein Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 16,011	Originally Posted by DaveThomasNMSR Got this yesterday via email. https://gallery.mailchimp.com/d03bf3...175e55a060.jpg Call for Professional Integrity Goes Unheeded Faced with Historic Opportunity to Ask for New WTC 7 Investigation, Architects Vote ‘No’ Representatives of the American Institute of Architects’ local and national governing bodies voted overwhelmingly against supporting a new investigation into the total collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC 7) at the Institute’s annual business meeting held in Orlando on April 26, 2017. .... Look at Gage's fans insulting AIA and her members on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ae911truth/...54436966186269 Will Gage man up and return his AIA membership?
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3rd May 2017, 03:04 PM	#85
DGM Skeptic not Atheist Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 24,583	Originally Posted by Oystein Look at Gage's fans insulting AIA and her members on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ae911truth/...54436966186269 Will Gage man up and return his AIA membership? If Gage was an honest man he would disassociate himself with the AIA because it's clear they don't support him. He's not so, He will proudly display his AIA badge and frown when they catch him using it to advance his cause (making him take the logo down).
	__________________ "Remember that the goal of conspiracy rhetoric is to bog down the discussion, not to make progress toward a solution" Jay Windley "How many leaves on the seventh branch of the fourth tree?" is meaningless when you are in the wrong forest: ozeco41

3rd May 2017, 07:59 PM	#86
benthamitemetric Muse Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 516	Here is Gage's speech to the AIA at the convention in support of his resolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kusdpR7xaU To his credit, though he watered down the resolution to hide AE911Truth's actual views on the collapse, he does not so water down his comments. To his discredit, the speech is the same tired collection of easily disproven analogies and conclusory statements we've seen for years. In any case, the vote tells the tale of how well this was received.
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3rd May 2017, 08:35 PM	#87
Myriad Hyperthetical Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 13,647	Originally Posted by DaveThomasNMSR Got this yesterday via email. https://gallery.mailchimp.com/d03bf3...175e55a060.jpg Call for Professional Integrity Goes Unheeded Faced with Historic Opportunity to Ask for New WTC 7 Investigation, Architects Vote ‘No’ Representatives of the American Institute of Architects’ local and national governing bodies voted overwhelmingly against supporting a new investigation into the total collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC 7) at the Institute’s annual business meeting held in Orlando on April 26, 2017. <snip> In other words: "All the lurkers support us in PMs."
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3rd May 2017, 10:27 PM	#88
pgimeno Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Spain Posts: 3,322	Originally Posted by DaveThomasNMSR In the meantime, we’d love to have your input on how we should continue to move the fight forward. We also invite you to donate toward our work. After all, we can continue the march forward only if we have your ideas and your support. Code: SEND + MORE --------- MONEY
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12th March 2018, 01:39 PM	#89
DGM Skeptic not Atheist Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 24,583	The convention is in NYC, June 21-23. I don't see any action from AE or that they plan to attend. Surely they won't let this event pass considering the success they have had. http://conferenceonarchitecture.com/
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13th March 2018, 01:25 AM	#90
ProBonoShill Master Poster Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,162	Originally Posted by DGM The convention is in NYC, June 21-23. I don't see any action from AE or that they plan to attend. Surely they won't let this event pass considering the success they have had. http://conferenceonarchitecture.com/ Gage has pretty much given up and let the no planer clowns take over AE911, Hulsey's so called study is a farce that will never be published in a respected journal (if he ever completes it at all) and Basile's so called dust testing where he scammed gullible truthers to the tune of five thousand dollars or more all adds up to a bunch of nonsense where the last thing they want to do is participate in a serious convention regarding architecture.
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14th March 2018, 10:34 AM	#91
benthamitemetric Muse Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 516	Originally Posted by ProBonoShill Gage has pretty much given up and let the no planer clowns take over AE911, Hulsey's so called study is a farce that will never be published in a respected journal (if he ever completes it at all) and Basile's so called dust testing where he scammed gullible truthers to the tune of five thousand dollars or more all adds up to a bunch of nonsense where the last thing they want to do is participate in a serious convention regarding architecture. Who says they actually want to participate in these events? They just use them for PR. As long as they are allowed to rub shoulders with respectable professionals, they will use that to the greatest extent possible project an illusion of respectability. None of the actual professionals will be persuaded by these shenanigans, but that's not the point. The point is to keep duping the rubes. So don't be surprised if AE911Truth keeps showing up at conventions and then blasting news releases related to them. They know their resolutions won't pass. That's not why they go.
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14th March 2018, 12:24 PM	#92
Pinch Critical Thinker Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 400	Originally Posted by benthamitemetric duping the rubes. Truer words have rarely been uttered. It appears to be the core, the very heart of the Truther mission/vision statement, a statement that has been no doubt adopted by all the whack-job Truther organizations.
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18th March 2018, 03:20 AM	#93
Richard the G Thinker Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 241	I suspect that thy will give this year a miss. It’s in New York and the New York architects and engineers know too much to be dupes
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