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Wow...I forgot how much slapstick comedy surrounds this part of the 9-11 CT bufoonery...
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Neither the video in post no. 4 nor any other video that I've ever seen shows inside the pentagon in the center of the collapse area immediately following the crash. This is because there was a raging fire and the a multi-floor collapse there. By what explicable process would you expect the bulk of the plane debris to be anywhere but in the center of the crash zone?
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Someone else will have to post the story about that freeway overpass in Atlanta, GA, that collapsed last night after a fire because I don't have the energy...
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Saw the news, came back to see if a thread popped up on this... not disappointed.
Well, not disappointed in my prediction of a thread. Disappointed in old, refuted stuff getting recirculated, yes. As an aside: Is CIT still a thing? I mean... when you're the laughingstock of truthers that even other truthers point and laugh at, then you've bottomed out pretty badly. I figured they might have evaporated or something in the intervening years. Seems not. |
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The video in #4 shows the immediate alleged impact area, before the collapse that happened half an hour or so later. The absence of dozens of tons of plane remains is evidence for the absence of a crashed passenger jet. What's there is a burning container, a bit of fire and a lot of smoke coming from the roof. |
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Should there be new knuckleheads around: the old knuckleheads babble about the film I posted in #5, in which it is made absolutely clear that the people interviewed do/did believe that the plane hit the Pentagon. The whole argument is that it has been a deception, and the fact that the old knuckleheads still reuse their old talking points against better knowledge reveals their willingness to deceive - at best. Go watch it.
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The descriptor, hill, doesn't seem far fetched to me.
https://vault.fbi.gov/9-11-attacks-i...gon-exterior-1 How about an answer or two to my question or two? |
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Yawn. Most of the plane penetrated the building, some mixture of debris, fast moving fuel and hot gases from the explosion as it struck the outside wall blew a hole in the inside wall too, and the solid debris was mostly scattered inside the building. Again, a ten year old could visualise all this quite easily; it takes a certain determination not to understand it to have failed to do so over the course of 16 years. But your being left behind by reality and turning yourself into an irrelevant self-parody is hardly my problem, so I probably shouldn't try and stop you.
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I suppose the pertinent follow up questions are:
1. What actually did hit the Pentagon? 2. How were a hundred or more eyewitnesses deceived into seeing an American Airlines passenger jet hit the Pentagon? 3. How did American Airlines debris end up scattered on the lawn of the Pentagon after the crash? |
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I don't know how somebody would describe the 125 killed in the Pentagon. Personally I describe seven of them as close friends. Two of the seven were co-workers in the same agency as mine and one of those I had dated. Another was a close professional colleague who had worked for me off and on as a contractor since 1988. I went to more funerals and memorials in 45 days than I have in my 60+ years. My wife and I were lucky and escaped with no physical injuries but while we don't dwell on it I doubt more than a couple of days goes by when we have some memory of that day and friends and co-workers lost.
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What hit the Pentagon? It was Flight 77, for all the knuckleheads who can't use evidence, and might be gullible.
You can't figure out it was Flight 77, a 757? WWTD, "tweet, SAD" You don't make sense. Do you believe Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, called reality, or do you deny it? Simple question can clear up the puzzling statements you are making. Did 19 terrorists do 9/11? Can you explain what happened at the Pentagon? So far you are cryptic, and praised the CIT video as excellent research. Did you mean to praise CIT video, or what? So far it is a lot of or what. That video is not "conclusive research", it is delusional claptrap made up by very low IQ paranoid nuts. The video is conclusive evidence of massive ignorance and paranoid delusions. CIT's work was doo-doo! I am not interested in drug induced paranoid quibbling of CIT! The only thing that concerns me is gullibility and ignorance of the believers of CIT!!! [YF (1974)] |
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I personally wouldn't. I would expect the bulk of the scrap to be scattered around the building's interior, probably more towards the A-E drive's wall, and probably on the hole. And I think that that's why we don't see "a plane" in the debris (as in, something recognizable as a plane).
The columns under the area that later collapsed were completely destroyed by the impact, therefore they didn't stop the plane. Most of the plane went much farther in, and I believe most of its parts ended up in the interior and the A-E drive. If I recall correctly, the FDR was found near the "exit hole", inside the bulding, next to the same wall where the hole was. And after the impact with the multiple interior columns, which I believe is key. |
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Fair enough--I was a bit imprecise with in saying within the main crash site in the building. To be clear, I am defining that area as within Rows E through C and the courtyards therebetween. I don't conceptualize that space as being limited to inside Row E, as I think you took my comment to mean.
The main point, in any event, is that Childlike Empress wants to claim there wasn't sufficient crash debris to support the theory that there was a plane crash and yet neither s/he nor anyone else has solid contemporaneous photographic evidence of the volume of debris within the crash site itself immediately following the crash as that site was engulfed in flames and largely covered over by internal collapses within the pentagon. |
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No. And it is not nonsense. Your position is that the absence of something (plane parts) at the time the photo was taken indicates that it never existed. Is it also your position that all the other things absent from that photo, such as the people who worked in the building, also never existed? I am interested in your answer, and your logic.
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Oh man, that's opening a can of worms. There's everything from military jets to - I kid you not - cruise missiles painted in FL77's livery.
Come to think of it, I don't recall anyone using the hologram claim like they do with the New York flights. Or am I not remembering correctly? ![]()
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I guess there are lots of folks with nothing better to do that respond to this idiotic junk that has been debunked so thoroughly so long ago that it has gray whiskers and permanent age lines.
Hell, Craig and Alpo did not even believe their own crap toward the end. They intentionally manipulated photographs that revealed that they were intentionally lying in an attempt to keep their deceptions alive. In another thread there is a discussion about not revealing the names of folks who seek notararity via mass killings because of low self esteem or perhaps due to insanity. Certainly, they should not be glorified. Although, CIT did not commit mass killings, they were guilty of perpetuating intentional deception for notararity perhaps for the same reasons as folks who commit mass murder. Let their story die. I don't think anyone with any common sense could possibly believe it for all of the reasons stated already. For those reasons I'll just ROFLMAO and not give anyone who perpetuates this garbage the courtesy of a reply. |
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The only thing worse than reading garbage about the Pentagon on 9/11 is meeting people IRL that tell me how wrong I am about what "really" happened. You see that big hole in the side of the building? Yeah, that was my office. I was in another part of the building that morning, most of my friends were not.
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CE already acknowledged the validity of my post - twice
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Sounds like Lanzy's experience is pretty much like mine. I was part of the Army's Assistant Chief of Staff for Installation Management and our commanding general's office was just the immediate left and above the impact and eventual collapse area. Two of our staff were killed immediately at impact. We were two weeks away from moving across the hallway from them and I suspect several dozen more of us would have been killed or severely injured if the attack had taken place two weeks later. The area was part of the building that was deemed structurally damaged and was torn down and replaced. That thought has always been a bit sobering.
Generally I don't mind talking about my experiences that day. For the most part people are just curious and interested. On the other end of the spectrum are the few that want to argue and go as far as to call me a liar, a plant, an agent, delusional, stupid, etc., etc. As discussed in other threads it's been interesting to be questioned as a witness then dismissed because you don't know what you're talking about when your account runs contrary to their theory. |
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For those who can't figure out what happened to the plane try this 'controlled experiment' courtesy of the Mythbusters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl8xTqTUGCY As you can see in the slow-mo at those sorts of speeds metals doesn't crumple or break, it pretty much vaporizes. |
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Nope.
Turns out that the FBI had tried to post these pictures earlier, but there was a glitch. They just got around to reposting them. Plus, nobody cares, so why would Trump waste his time when clearly all he has to do is get on Twitter to send the media into their next spaz attack. |
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Your on par research skills with CIT, has you falling for these photos being released by clownstick, but the FBI released these photos in 2010, you are 7 years late, and 15 years behind reality.;
You found more false news, and forgot to check the facts... CIT level research, good job CE |
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