NZ Politics, the Luxon Era - Page 4

The Atheist · 27th November 2023, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Samson

I think terms like

Racist
Bully
Transphobe
Islamophobe

Are all wrong.

Gold.

Meanwhile, in the real world, Luxon and Willis are the New Brooms.

The before Xmas plan: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...o-by-christmas

And Luxon talking his game:

Quote:

Christopher Luxon takes aim at public service, pledges to tackle cost of living, restore law and order

Given that ram raids have fallen off a cliff now the cops have pretty well targeted the groups of little ***** doing them, no doubt National will trumpet that as an achievement.

Right now, Northern Territory is poaching Kiwi prison guards, and we were already in desperate straits. With national sending more people to jail, expect prison riots to become a thing about June next year.

Puppycow · 27th November 2023, 10:29 PM

I remember reading some time ago about New Zealand's plan to eventually ban cigarettes.

Looks like that plan has gone up in smoke:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-67540190

Quote:

However his National party, which won 38% of the vote in the 14 October election, hadn't mentioned the Smokefree laws during election campaigning. The announcement by the new finance minister Nicola Willis on Saturday that the government would repeal the laws shocked health experts who believed the policy would be untouched.

But Ms Willis said National's partners in the governing coalition- the populist New Zealand First and libertarian Act - had been "insistent" on reversing the laws.

Despite election victory, the centre-right National party has struggled for weeks in policy negotiations to form a government with the two minor parties.

A deal was only agreed to on Friday, six weeks after the election, allowing the new government to be sworn in on Monday. New Zealand First - which won 6% of the vote - had been the only party to campaign on repealing the smoking laws.

Part of a deal to allow a governing coalition to be formed.

The Atheist · 28th November 2023, 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

I remember reading some time ago about New Zealand's plan to eventually ban cigarettes.

Looks like that plan has gone up in smoke:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-67540190

Part of a deal to allow a governing coalition to be formed.

And let me tell you, has that opened a very large can of worms. Maori health campaigners are horrified, because apparently Maori need white people to pass laws against it to stop them smoking.

The flip side of the question is the one no Labour minister would discuss - the fact that outlawing cigarettes was just going to bring a whole new means of income for criminal gangs. They already import millions of cigarettes because tax rates are so high, and prohibition would have opened the door for much more action, and it would all be money the government would get no part of.

The law itself was a typically stupid attempt by Labour to appease Maori by introducing an unworkable law. I give Winston a tick for not adding to our criminal gang income.

On the other hand, he gets a big, fat X for attacks on independent media - straight out of the Trump playbook. Winston has always had a tumultuous relationship with media - mainly because he's a two-faced lying sack of **** who doesn't like being caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

Samson · 28th November 2023, 02:44 PM

And in a huge upset, I give him a an enormous tick for outing the sniveling indoctrinatees.
He campaigned on reversing the cults, and so far so good.

Norman Alexander · 28th November 2023, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Samson

And in a huge upset, I give him a an enormous tick for outing the sniveling indoctrinatees.
He campaigned on reversing the cults, and so far so good.

Would be wonderful if you can actually identify who the heck you are talking about. Otherwise this is just meaningless garbage.

MarkCorrigan · 28th November 2023, 03:43 PM

He thinks people who support trans people are in a cult. The irony is impressive.

Samson · 28th November 2023, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Would be wonderful if you can actually identify who the heck you are talking about. Otherwise this is just meaningless garbage.

The same people as Konstantin Kisin, Douglas Murray, gad Saad, Hirsi Ali......and plenty others.
All the people despised by the pack here.
In fact I just discovered John Cleese is a sworn member of the cult I have joined.

MarkCorrigan · 28th November 2023, 05:32 PM

John Cleese is a gammon. Very funny man, but a massive gaping ********.

You're still writing in barely readable gibberish, which given your apparent belief in the English language as a social panacea is hilariously ironic.

Also Konstantin Kisin? A poorly received stand-up and contributor to the Spectator?

Douglas Murray? Another Spectator contributor and author of such ridiculous works as "Neoconservatism: Why We Need It"? An author who espouses far-right conspiracy nonsense like "cultural Marxism" and the Eurabia nonsense?

Good to see your choice of guides is as dreadful as ever.

Norman Alexander · 28th November 2023, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Samson

The same people as Konstantin Kisin, Douglas Murray, gad Saad, Hirsi Ali......and plenty others.

Who are these people?

Quote:

All the people despised by the pack here.

Who is this??

Quote:

In fact I just discovered John Cleese is a sworn member of the cult I have joined.

Again, a clear explanation is required.

Stop talking in code. That alone is cultish.

The Atheist · 28th November 2023, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Stop talking in code.

The only subject Samson is interested in is trans people vilification. The irony of him having a M2F trans sibling is great, but at this stage, I'd like the discussion on that front to just stop.

If Samson isn't able to stop posting about it, at least the rest of us don't need to get drawn in.

We have the situation here where the Deputy Prime Minister has declared war on the media to the extent that both the Prime Minister and Finance Minister are either telling him to shut up or trying to wave it away.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...aseless-claims

That's a lot more important.

Norman Alexander · 28th November 2023, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

The only subject Samson is interested in is trans people vilification. The irony of him having a M2F trans sibling is great, but at this stage, I'd like the discussion on that front to just stop.

If Samson isn't able to stop posting about it, at least the rest of us don't need to get drawn in.

I had no idea whatsoever what he was on about. But if that's all then perhaps he should make a new thread about that. Or something. So that I can be first in line to not read it.

Quote:

We have the situation here where the Deputy Prime Minister has declared war on the media to the extent that both the Prime Minister and Finance Minister are either telling him to shut up or trying to wave it away.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...aseless-claims

That's a lot more important.

Sure. Carry on!

MarkCorrigan · 28th November 2023, 07:43 PM

Be fair TA, he also likes to promote anti-Maori racism and the belief that teaching English will result in almost empty prisons.

psionl0 · 28th November 2023, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Again, a clear explanation is required.

Stop talking in code.

Norman, meet Samson.

Samson · 29th November 2023, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan

John Cleese is a gammon. Very funny man, but a massive gaping ********.

You're still writing in barely readable gibberish, which given your apparent belief in the English language as a social panacea is hilariously ironic.

Also Konstantin Kisin? A poorly received stand-up and contributor to the Spectator?

Douglas Murray? Another Spectator contributor and author of such ridiculous works as "Neoconservatism: Why We Need It"? An author who espouses far-right conspiracy nonsense like "cultural Marxism" and the Eurabia nonsense?

Good to see your choice of guides is as dreadful as ever.

I agree Kisin is not great as stand up, but neither am I so no strike against him.

The Atheist · 29th November 2023, 02:42 AM

A minor development I wasn't aware of but I'm very pleased about - ACT and David Seymour are putting pseudoephedrine back on pharmacy shelves.

It's something that has pissed me off for years - because gangs were using tablets with pseudoephedrine in them to make meth, sales were heavily restricted and it's impossible to get. Alternatives are worthless, and I know from experience that when you have a cold, pseudoephedrine shuts down the runny nose instantly, also helping avoid chest infections.

Of course, wowsers are crying about it, but given the enormous amount of meth coming into NZ, it's not going to be a target for criminals.

And speaking of criminals, if Luxon et al can solve this kind of behaviour, I'll even vote for them next time:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/...CLL4X275SU5JY/

Quote:

As Holden, Maraki and Wright-Macdonald were taken away to begin their jail sentences, they turned and delivered the public gallery middle finger salutes and gave a garbled gang cry, which was returned by the members of the public.

“Yeah New Zealand, we own jail,” one of the men yelled.

That is presently 100% correct.

Norman Alexander · 29th November 2023, 03:00 AM

Makes pharmacies worth knocking over again.

The Atheist · 29th November 2023, 09:39 AM

No, I don't think that's a likely outcome. Meth is so cheap it's not going to be worth the hassle - the production is somewhat complicated, produces toxic gases and will result in small amounts of product only.

Pseudoephedrine isn't the only precursor to meth, and whereas a decade ago cops were turning over a meth lab every week, they're virtually unknown in 2023. Factories in China produce meth by the tonne, making a few grams after a pharmacy stick up isn't going to happen.

Norman Alexander · 29th November 2023, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

No, I don't think that's a likely outcome. Meth is so cheap it's not going to be worth the hassle - the production is somewhat complicated, produces toxic gases and will result in small amounts of product only.

Pseudoephedrine isn't the only precursor to meth, and whereas a decade ago cops were turning over a meth lab every week, they're virtually unknown in 2023. Factories in China produce meth by the tonne, making a few grams after a pharmacy stick up isn't going to happen.

Then what has changed by putting it back on sale? Was always small quantities involved.

Samson · 29th November 2023, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

The only subject Samson is interested in is trans people vilification. The irony of him having a M2F trans sibling is great, but at this stage, I'd like the discussion on that front to just stop.

If Samson isn't able to stop posting about it, at least the rest of us don't need to get drawn in.

We have the situation here where the Deputy Prime Minister has declared war on the media to the extent that both the Prime Minister and Finance Minister are either telling him to shut up or trying to wave it away.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...aseless-claims

That's a lot more important.

Legacy media are unanimously calling the bribery allegations false, false statements and so on.

Is there an aspect of bribery in the fund or not?
This is an interesting case. I see treaty and te reo linkage as a form of corruption, because it advances a political agenda in a substantial way, an agenda seen as damaging to democracy, agree or disagree.
Let us discuss this.
Trans matters are deeply political and nowhere close to having been resolved by the way. The discission is valid on this thread, but lets look at the principals of bribery and corruption in the context of a contestable fund.
106k went straight to a te reo translator at Stuff as an example.

The Atheist · 29th November 2023, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Then what has changed by putting it back on sale? Was always small quantities involved.

It should never have been removed - it was never more than a red herring.

The vast majority of pseudoephedrine turned into meth was supplied by crooked pharmacists like this guy: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/pharma...V5EZOCJ7UPO2M/

Originally Posted by Samson

Is there an aspect of bribery in the fund or not?

For Zarquon's sake, of course it isn't. The fund was provided to ensure the survival of independent media under threat by the covid slowdown when revenue dropped to zero.

Winston is pulling his dick, which is why his own leader is clearly exasperated with him.

The only one gaining any credit is Seymour, who has sensible distanced himself from the whole debacle. Remember, this is the same Winston who's been battling the media since Muldoon was alive - he's been proven time and time again to be a lying sack of ****.

As I was explaining to someone earlier, the only reason he's back in Parliament is because Luxon was seen as weak. The people who voted NZF are all certain National voters who didn't rate the egghead.

The Atheist · 29th November 2023, 06:38 PM

Meanwhile, National are going through Labour's legislated plans with a straight razor.

Along with Smokefree legislation dumped, the promised tax relief for gigantic 4WD utes will come in on December 31, and Auckland's light rail has been kicked to touch.

Samson · 29th November 2023, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

It should never have been removed - it was never more than a red herring.

The vast majority of pseudoephedrine turned into meth was supplied by crooked pharmacists like this guy: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/pharma...V5EZOCJ7UPO2M/

For Zarquon's sake, of course it isn't. The fund was provided to ensure the survival of independent media under threat by the covid slowdown when revenue dropped to zero.

Winston is pulling his dick, which is why his own leader is clearly exasperated with him.

The only one gaining any credit is Seymour, who has sensible distanced himself from the whole debacle. Remember, this is the same Winston who's been battling the media since Muldoon was alive - he's been proven time and time again to be a lying sack of ****.

As I was explaining to someone earlier, the only reason he's back in Parliament is because Luxon was seen as weak. The people who voted NZF are all certain National voters who didn't rate the egghead.

Ok so independent media are bound by Treaty and language protocols that advance the interests of Maori.
Please help me with this without the ATTITUDE thing.
This is center stage stuff for the Luxon Era.

The Atheist · 30th November 2023, 10:43 AM

Something for Luxon to get his teeth into: https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/mon...ts-still-going

Meanwhile, Chippy is positively chipper! https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...to-get-to-work

27th November 2023, 11:30 AM	#121
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 34,492	Originally Posted by Samson I think terms like Racist Bully Transphobe Islamophobe Are all wrong. Gold. Meanwhile, in the real world, Luxon and Willis are the New Brooms. The before Xmas plan: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...o-by-christmas And Luxon talking his game: Quote: Christopher Luxon takes aim at public service, pledges to tackle cost of living, restore law and order Given that ram raids have fallen off a cliff now the cops have pretty well targeted the groups of little ***** doing them, no doubt National will trumpet that as an achievement. Right now, Northern Territory is poaching Kiwi prison guards, and we were already in desperate straits. With national sending more people to jail, expect prison riots to become a thing about June next year.
	__________________ The point of equilibrium has passed; satire and current events are now indistinguishable.

27th November 2023, 10:29 PM	#122
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 28,687	I remember reading some time ago about New Zealand's plan to eventually ban cigarettes. Looks like that plan has gone up in smoke: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-67540190 Quote: However his National party, which won 38% of the vote in the 14 October election, hadn't mentioned the Smokefree laws during election campaigning. The announcement by the new finance minister Nicola Willis on Saturday that the government would repeal the laws shocked health experts who believed the policy would be untouched. But Ms Willis said National's partners in the governing coalition- the populist New Zealand First and libertarian Act - had been "insistent" on reversing the laws. Despite election victory, the centre-right National party has struggled for weeks in policy negotiations to form a government with the two minor parties. A deal was only agreed to on Friday, six weeks after the election, allowing the new government to be sworn in on Monday. New Zealand First - which won 6% of the vote - had been the only party to campaign on repealing the smoking laws. Part of a deal to allow a governing coalition to be formed.
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28th November 2023, 12:14 AM	#123
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 34,492	Originally Posted by Puppycow I remember reading some time ago about New Zealand's plan to eventually ban cigarettes. Looks like that plan has gone up in smoke: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-67540190 Part of a deal to allow a governing coalition to be formed. And let me tell you, has that opened a very large can of worms. Maori health campaigners are horrified, because apparently Maori need white people to pass laws against it to stop them smoking. The flip side of the question is the one no Labour minister would discuss - the fact that outlawing cigarettes was just going to bring a whole new means of income for criminal gangs. They already import millions of cigarettes because tax rates are so high, and prohibition would have opened the door for much more action, and it would all be money the government would get no part of. The law itself was a typically stupid attempt by Labour to appease Maori by introducing an unworkable law. I give Winston a tick for not adding to our criminal gang income. On the other hand, he gets a big, fat X for attacks on independent media - straight out of the Trump playbook. Winston has always had a tumultuous relationship with media - mainly because he's a two-faced lying sack of **** who doesn't like being caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
	__________________ The point of equilibrium has passed; satire and current events are now indistinguishable.

28th November 2023, 02:44 PM	#124
Samson Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 11,699	And in a huge upset, I give him a an enormous tick for outing the sniveling indoctrinatees. He campaigned on reversing the cults, and so far so good.
	__________________ Jeremy Bamber never hurt a fly, Bambi slaughtered her parents and kids Last edited by Samson; 28th November 2023 at 02:46 PM.

28th November 2023, 03:31 PM	#125
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 16,173	Originally Posted by Samson And in a huge upset, I give him a an enormous tick for outing the sniveling indoctrinatees. He campaigned on reversing the cults, and so far so good. Would be wonderful if you can actually identify who the heck you are talking about. Otherwise this is just meaningless garbage.
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28th November 2023, 03:43 PM	#126
MarkCorrigan ¡No pasarán! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Слава Україні Posts: 12,740	He thinks people who support trans people are in a cult. The irony is impressive.
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28th November 2023, 05:22 PM	#127
Samson Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 11,699	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Would be wonderful if you can actually identify who the heck you are talking about. Otherwise this is just meaningless garbage. The same people as Konstantin Kisin, Douglas Murray, gad Saad, Hirsi Ali......and plenty others. All the people despised by the pack here. In fact I just discovered John Cleese is a sworn member of the cult I have joined.
	__________________ Jeremy Bamber never hurt a fly, Bambi slaughtered her parents and kids Last edited by Samson; 28th November 2023 at 05:25 PM.

28th November 2023, 05:32 PM	#128
MarkCorrigan ¡No pasarán! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Слава Україні Posts: 12,740	John Cleese is a gammon. Very funny man, but a massive gaping ********. You're still writing in barely readable gibberish, which given your apparent belief in the English language as a social panacea is hilariously ironic. Also Konstantin Kisin? A poorly received stand-up and contributor to the Spectator? Douglas Murray? Another Spectator contributor and author of such ridiculous works as "Neoconservatism: Why We Need It"? An author who espouses far-right conspiracy nonsense like "cultural Marxism" and the Eurabia nonsense? Good to see your choice of guides is as dreadful as ever.
	__________________ Naturalism adjusts it's principles to fit with the observed data. It's a god of the facts world view. -joobz When I give food to the poor, they call me a Saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a Communist. - Hélder Câmara

28th November 2023, 05:37 PM	#129
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 16,173	Originally Posted by Samson The same people as Konstantin Kisin, Douglas Murray, gad Saad, Hirsi Ali......and plenty others. Who are these people? Quote: All the people despised by the pack here. Who is this?? Quote: In fact I just discovered John Cleese is a sworn member of the cult I have joined. Again, a clear explanation is required. Stop talking in code. That alone is cultish.
	__________________ _{...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015}

28th November 2023, 06:50 PM	#130
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 34,492	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Stop talking in code. The only subject Samson is interested in is trans people vilification. The irony of him having a M2F trans sibling is great, but at this stage, I'd like the discussion on that front to just stop. If Samson isn't able to stop posting about it, at least the rest of us don't need to get drawn in. We have the situation here where the Deputy Prime Minister has declared war on the media to the extent that both the Prime Minister and Finance Minister are either telling him to shut up or trying to wave it away. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...aseless-claims That's a lot more important.
	__________________ The point of equilibrium has passed; satire and current events are now indistinguishable.

28th November 2023, 07:33 PM	#131
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 16,173	Originally Posted by The Atheist The only subject Samson is interested in is trans people vilification. The irony of him having a M2F trans sibling is great, but at this stage, I'd like the discussion on that front to just stop. If Samson isn't able to stop posting about it, at least the rest of us don't need to get drawn in. I had no idea whatsoever what he was on about. But if that's all then perhaps he should make a new thread about that. Or something. So that I can be first in line to not read it. Quote: We have the situation here where the Deputy Prime Minister has declared war on the media to the extent that both the Prime Minister and Finance Minister are either telling him to shut up or trying to wave it away. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...aseless-claims That's a lot more important. Sure. Carry on!
	__________________ _{...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015}

28th November 2023, 07:43 PM	#132
MarkCorrigan ¡No pasarán! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Слава Україні Posts: 12,740	Be fair TA, he also likes to promote anti-Maori racism and the belief that teaching English will result in almost empty prisons.
	__________________ Naturalism adjusts it's principles to fit with the observed data. It's a god of the facts world view. -joobz When I give food to the poor, they call me a Saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a Communist. - Hélder Câmara

28th November 2023, 08:20 PM	#133
psionl0 Skeptical about skeptics Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 31°57'S 115°57'E Posts: 20,749	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Again, a clear explanation is required. Stop talking in code. Norman, meet Samson.
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29th November 2023, 12:23 AM	#134
Samson Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 11,699	Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan John Cleese is a gammon. Very funny man, but a massive gaping ********. You're still writing in barely readable gibberish, which given your apparent belief in the English language as a social panacea is hilariously ironic. Also Konstantin Kisin? A poorly received stand-up and contributor to the Spectator? Douglas Murray? Another Spectator contributor and author of such ridiculous works as "Neoconservatism: Why We Need It"? An author who espouses far-right conspiracy nonsense like "cultural Marxism" and the Eurabia nonsense? Good to see your choice of guides is as dreadful as ever. I agree Kisin is not great as stand up, but neither am I so no strike against him.
	__________________ Jeremy Bamber never hurt a fly, Bambi slaughtered her parents and kids

29th November 2023, 02:42 AM	#135
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 34,492	A minor development I wasn't aware of but I'm very pleased about - ACT and David Seymour are putting pseudoephedrine back on pharmacy shelves. It's something that has pissed me off for years - because gangs were using tablets with pseudoephedrine in them to make meth, sales were heavily restricted and it's impossible to get. Alternatives are worthless, and I know from experience that when you have a cold, pseudoephedrine shuts down the runny nose instantly, also helping avoid chest infections. Of course, wowsers are crying about it, but given the enormous amount of meth coming into NZ, it's not going to be a target for criminals. And speaking of criminals, if Luxon et al can solve this kind of behaviour, I'll even vote for them next time: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/...CLL4X275SU5JY/ Quote: As Holden, Maraki and Wright-Macdonald were taken away to begin their jail sentences, they turned and delivered the public gallery middle finger salutes and gave a garbled gang cry, which was returned by the members of the public. “Yeah New Zealand, we own jail,” one of the men yelled. That is presently 100% correct.
	__________________ The point of equilibrium has passed; satire and current events are now indistinguishable.

29th November 2023, 03:00 AM	#136
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 16,173	Makes pharmacies worth knocking over again.
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29th November 2023, 09:39 AM	#137
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 34,492	No, I don't think that's a likely outcome. Meth is so cheap it's not going to be worth the hassle - the production is somewhat complicated, produces toxic gases and will result in small amounts of product only. Pseudoephedrine isn't the only precursor to meth, and whereas a decade ago cops were turning over a meth lab every week, they're virtually unknown in 2023. Factories in China produce meth by the tonne, making a few grams after a pharmacy stick up isn't going to happen.
	__________________ The point of equilibrium has passed; satire and current events are now indistinguishable.

29th November 2023, 12:05 PM	#138
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 16,173	Originally Posted by The Atheist No, I don't think that's a likely outcome. Meth is so cheap it's not going to be worth the hassle - the production is somewhat complicated, produces toxic gases and will result in small amounts of product only. Pseudoephedrine isn't the only precursor to meth, and whereas a decade ago cops were turning over a meth lab every week, they're virtually unknown in 2023. Factories in China produce meth by the tonne, making a few grams after a pharmacy stick up isn't going to happen. Then what has changed by putting it back on sale? Was always small quantities involved.
	__________________ _{...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015}

29th November 2023, 05:24 PM	#139
Samson Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 11,699	Originally Posted by The Atheist The only subject Samson is interested in is trans people vilification. The irony of him having a M2F trans sibling is great, but at this stage, I'd like the discussion on that front to just stop. If Samson isn't able to stop posting about it, at least the rest of us don't need to get drawn in. We have the situation here where the Deputy Prime Minister has declared war on the media to the extent that both the Prime Minister and Finance Minister are either telling him to shut up or trying to wave it away. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...aseless-claims That's a lot more important. Legacy media are unanimously calling the bribery allegations false, false statements and so on. Is there an aspect of bribery in the fund or not? This is an interesting case. I see treaty and te reo linkage as a form of corruption, because it advances a political agenda in a substantial way, an agenda seen as damaging to democracy, agree or disagree. Let us discuss this. Trans matters are deeply political and nowhere close to having been resolved by the way. The discission is valid on this thread, but lets look at the principals of bribery and corruption in the context of a contestable fund. 106k went straight to a te reo translator at Stuff as an example.
	__________________ Jeremy Bamber never hurt a fly, Bambi slaughtered her parents and kids Last edited by Samson; 29th November 2023 at 05:25 PM.

29th November 2023, 06:34 PM	#140
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 34,492	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Then what has changed by putting it back on sale? Was always small quantities involved. It should never have been removed - it was never more than a red herring. The vast majority of pseudoephedrine turned into meth was supplied by crooked pharmacists like this guy: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/pharma...V5EZOCJ7UPO2M/ Originally Posted by Samson Is there an aspect of bribery in the fund or not? For Zarquon's sake, of course it isn't. The fund was provided to ensure the survival of independent media under threat by the covid slowdown when revenue dropped to zero. Winston is pulling his dick, which is why his own leader is clearly exasperated with him. The only one gaining any credit is Seymour, who has sensible distanced himself from the whole debacle. Remember, this is the same Winston who's been battling the media since Muldoon was alive - he's been proven time and time again to be a lying sack of ****. As I was explaining to someone earlier, the only reason he's back in Parliament is because Luxon was seen as weak. The people who voted NZF are all certain National voters who didn't rate the egghead.
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29th November 2023, 06:38 PM	#141
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 34,492	Meanwhile, National are going through Labour's legislated plans with a straight razor. Along with Smokefree legislation dumped, the promised tax relief for gigantic 4WD utes will come in on December 31, and Auckland's light rail has been kicked to touch.
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29th November 2023, 06:48 PM	#142
Samson Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 11,699	Originally Posted by The Atheist It should never have been removed - it was never more than a red herring. The vast majority of pseudoephedrine turned into meth was supplied by crooked pharmacists like this guy: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/pharma...V5EZOCJ7UPO2M/ For Zarquon's sake, of course it isn't. The fund was provided to ensure the survival of independent media under threat by the covid slowdown when revenue dropped to zero. Winston is pulling his dick, which is why his own leader is clearly exasperated with him. The only one gaining any credit is Seymour, who has sensible distanced himself from the whole debacle. Remember, this is the same Winston who's been battling the media since Muldoon was alive - he's been proven time and time again to be a lying sack of ****. As I was explaining to someone earlier, the only reason he's back in Parliament is because Luxon was seen as weak. The people who voted NZF are all certain National voters who didn't rate the egghead. Ok so independent media are bound by Treaty and language protocols that advance the interests of Maori. Please help me with this without the ATTITUDE thing. This is center stage stuff for the Luxon Era.
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30th November 2023, 10:43 AM	#143
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 34,492	Something for Luxon to get his teeth into: https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/mon...ts-still-going Meanwhile, Chippy is positively chipper! https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...to-get-to-work
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