[Continuation] General UK Politics V Suella Strikes Back - Page 18

Darat · 2nd December 2023, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

It was a direct reply to your post. Do you want me to put it in simpler language?

Yes.

jeremyp · Today, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer

It's been a poison chalice since 24th June 2016, but it seems that Cameron was the only one who wasn't too stupid to know, or didn't care enough to ignore it...

You can argue that Cameron was the poisoned chalice's first victim.

P.J. Denyer · Today, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by jeremyp

You can argue that Cameron was the poisoned chalice's first victim.

Maybe, but he quit to spend more time with his shepherd's hut the moment the poison went in, it's the rest of them that have fought like rats in a sack for a good long draft of that Cool -Aid.

gypsyjackson · Today, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by Garrison

She seems to have missed the fact that the British government can lower trade barriers for imports to the UK, not export from the UK.

If you’re talking tariffs, then yes. However, there are a few things the government can do: for instance, it can provide training for people on how to export and what paperwork is needed, it can seed fund trade associations which help with identifying markets overseas and then marketing to them, it can introduce potential exporters to clients overseas, it can persuade other governments to reduce tariff and non-tariff barriers, and it can make the UK’s export customs procedures easier within the constraints of the WCO and the receiving country’s requirements.

Is there going to be any increase in funding for DBT and HMRC to do these things?

Nessie · Today, 08:16 AM

Saw some of Kier Starmer being interviewed. Think he is a Tory.

jimbob · Today, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by Nessie

Saw some of Kier Starmer being interviewed. Think he is a Tory.

He is not, but he is working hard to not scare potential Tory voters back to Sunak.

I know that people claimed that Blair was a Tory, but with things like Sure Start, he did actually tackle poverty and lack of opportunity

Lothian · Today, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by gypsyjackson

If you’re talking tariffs, then yes. However, there are a few things the government can do: for instance, it can provide training for people on how to export and what paperwork is needed, it can seed fund trade associations which help with identifying markets overseas and then marketing to them, it can introduce potential exporters to clients overseas, it can persuade other governments to reduce tariff and non-tariff barriers, and it can make the UK’s export customs procedures easier within the constraints of the WCO and the receiving country’s requirements.

Alternatively it could organise 'trade missions' to ~~give the foreign secretary somewhere more exotic to bang his American 'bit on the side' than her Shoreditch flat~~ help internet startups

Pixel42 · Today, 08:58 AM

It could also join the world's largest free trade area, which is right on its doorstep and contains many of its most important trading partners.

P.J. Denyer · Today, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by Pixel42

It could also join the world's largest free trade area, which is right on its doorstep and contains many of its most important trading partners.

I'm sure I read in the Telegraph that it's far more sensible to join a smaller one on the other side of the world that has no particular need of our goods & services.

KDLarsen · Today, 09:42 AM

Speaking of the Torygraph, it's now past the first hurdle of coming under control of the Abu Dhabi regime. Presumably headlines praising Man City is going to be forthcoming.

Garrison · Today, 11:54 AM

Got to love the Tories yet again telling us they will fix the failures of the previous policy on immigration, which of course was nothing to do with them despite being in power for 13 years.

2nd December 2023, 05:36 PM	#681
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 112,595	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle It was a direct reply to your post. Do you want me to put it in simpler language? Yes.
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Today, 07:03 AM	#683
P.J. Denyer Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,904	Originally Posted by jeremyp You can argue that Cameron was the poisoned chalice's first victim. Maybe, but he quit to spend more time with his shepherd's hut the moment the poison went in, it's the rest of them that have fought like rats in a sack for a good long draft of that Cool -Aid.
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jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 31,382	Originally Posted by Nessie Saw some of Kier Starmer being interviewed. Think he is a Tory. He is not, but he is working hard to not scare potential Tory voters back to Sunak. I know that people claimed that Blair was a Tory, but with things like Sure Start, he did actually tackle poverty and lack of opportunity
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Today, 07:00 AM	#682
jeremyp Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha Posts: 3,824	Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer It's been a poison chalice since 24th June 2016, but it seems that Cameron was the only one who wasn't too stupid to know, or didn't care enough to ignore it... You can argue that Cameron was the poisoned chalice's first victim.

Today, 08:00 AM	#684
gypsyjackson Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 1,958	Originally Posted by Garrison She seems to have missed the fact that the British government can lower trade barriers for imports to the UK, not export from the UK. If you’re talking tariffs, then yes. However, there are a few things the government can do: for instance, it can provide training for people on how to export and what paperwork is needed, it can seed fund trade associations which help with identifying markets overseas and then marketing to them, it can introduce potential exporters to clients overseas, it can persuade other governments to reduce tariff and non-tariff barriers, and it can make the UK’s export customs procedures easier within the constraints of the WCO and the receiving country’s requirements. Is there going to be any increase in funding for DBT and HMRC to do these things?

Today, 08:46 AM	#687
Lothian should be banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Earth, specifically the crusty bit on the outside Posts: 19,134	Originally Posted by gypsyjackson If you’re talking tariffs, then yes. However, there are a few things the government can do: for instance, it can provide training for people on how to export and what paperwork is needed, it can seed fund trade associations which help with identifying markets overseas and then marketing to them, it can introduce potential exporters to clients overseas, it can persuade other governments to reduce tariff and non-tariff barriers, and it can make the UK’s export customs procedures easier within the constraints of the WCO and the receiving country’s requirements. Alternatively it could organise 'trade missions' to ~~give the foreign secretary somewhere more exotic to bang his American 'bit on the side' than her Shoreditch flat~~ help internet startups

Today, 09:24 AM	#689
P.J. Denyer Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,904	Originally Posted by Pixel42 It could also join the world's largest free trade area, which is right on its doorstep and contains many of its most important trading partners. I'm sure I read in the Telegraph that it's far more sensible to join a smaller one on the other side of the world that has no particular need of our goods & services.
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Today, 11:54 AM	#691
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