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27th February 2017, 06:52 PM | #1361 |
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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28th February 2017, 05:45 AM | #1363 |
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28th February 2017, 06:28 AM | #1364 |
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28th February 2017, 08:25 AM | #1365 |
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Whose bias is it that allows sports related thuggery to be tolerated?
Isn't it true that the thugs who start riots after sports events are also related to hard right-wing, racist politics? They didn't ask me, so I didn't get a chance to weigh in. How about the Ku Klux Klan? Should we tolerate cross burnings because we tolerate sports riots? |
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28th February 2017, 08:36 AM | #1366 |
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Before you say something stupid about climate change, check this list. "If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. " Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1 |
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28th February 2017, 08:49 AM | #1367 |
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28th February 2017, 09:14 AM | #1370 |
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28th February 2017, 09:23 AM | #1371 |
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28th February 2017, 09:24 AM | #1372 |
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28th February 2017, 09:26 AM | #1373 |
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Strange, ain't it? On the one hand you have posters claiming that your property isn't your own (it's a belief system!) when someone else wants to smash it with righteous fury, and on the other you have here an implication that you can't even smash your own stuff if, in another context, it could be viewed as a threat of violence.
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28th February 2017, 09:45 AM | #1374 |
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The answer I usually get is "that won't happen these people have no power and no numbers. They are a dying breed." And on and on, the words white tears get thrown about, then the person just goes on that it is a foregone conclusion that violence will turn out in favor of the "his guys".
Ignoring for a moment the fact this is simply not the case. It is completly hypocritical. If these people are nothing then by your own "punch up not down" logic you are the bad guy. If they are in such a state that they are out manned and out gunned by people who tend to shun violence and arming themselves, then they really are to be pitied. But like all sjw logic it is completely flawed. They cannot be so ineffectual that violent conflict is a sure win, yet powerful enough to warrent physical violence just for speaking. |
28th February 2017, 09:49 AM | #1375 |
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Why do you keep repeating "sports get away with riots" when I have clearly explained hooliganisim and the great lengths that ate gone to to curb it?
It's a very interesting subject that has many films, documentaries etc. But be warned they will not agree with your current view. I hope that doesn't get me punched as you seem to believe violence is an acceptable response to speech that goes against your world view. |
28th February 2017, 09:54 AM | #1376 |
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No one cares or seriously condemns much more serious riots than the ones at Berkeley. You will never see colege sports cancled for any thing as unimportant as a riot.
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28th February 2017, 09:58 AM | #1377 |
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28th February 2017, 10:10 AM | #1378 |
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The desperate insistence in derailing the discussion by appeal to tu quoque.
Say, ponderingturtle, if we all condemn the rioters in 2014 at the "pumpkin" riot can we please get back to the subject?? I unreservedly condemn the 2014 Pumpkin rioters, the White Sports Lover riots, and all other White people who riot. Thank goodness that is done, looking forward to you condemning the thugs at Berkeley, because you would not want to be a hypocrite, right? |
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28th February 2017, 11:00 AM | #1380 |
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28th February 2017, 11:25 AM | #1382 |
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Sure. Before you go further with your argument, let me tell you about the posters in my living room They are behind glass windows in frames. My intended function for these glass windows is to keep the posters flat and in good condition, as well as being esthetic. Nothing about any blocking of the flow of air.
Similarly, there are some trains at my company where the company intends for them to have the function of providing spare parts. Nothing in their intended function about riding around on tracks bringing passengers around - even though that is what you might erroneously have deduced from looking at their design and engineering. There is no such thing as an objectively determinable purpose. You can objectively determine that an object can have a function, the train can have the function of riding around on tracks, it can also have the function of providing spare parts, both of these can be objectively determined. What you can't determine is which function is its intended function (ie its "purpose") - that just depends on who you ask. You're moving from a circular argument based on giving special consideration to the intention of the person you call the "owner" to giving special consideration to the intention of the person you call the "designer" or "engineer". It won't help your argument though. |
28th February 2017, 11:33 AM | #1383 |
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28th February 2017, 12:03 PM | #1384 |
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28th February 2017, 12:04 PM | #1385 |
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And what relevance does this have? By your silly logic, money is a belief system as well, but we still treat it as though it has value. That's not confusing reality with belief. The belief has real-world consequences. The distinction you're trying to make, as I've told you before, is irrelevant.
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28th February 2017, 12:24 PM | #1386 |
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My opinion is that sports hooliganism is even less justifiable than political hooliganism. At least the political hooliganism have a purpose in mind.
What is your opinion? Do you think rioting for political reasons is justified? Do you think it matters if peaceful and democratic methods are available? If you think smashing windows and burning things is okay to stop a political speaker you don't like, why not organize gangs to trash the offices of political parties you oppose? Here are a few articles to introduce you to the topic: http://balticworlds.com/conceived-football-hooliganism/ https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/i...ier-league-181 http://www.dw.com/en/crusaders-in-th...ras/a-19330835 |
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28th February 2017, 12:26 PM | #1387 |
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wait... does he think we don't know what freight trains are?
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28th February 2017, 12:29 PM | #1389 |
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No I don't think it is ok, why is using the actions of hooligans acceptable to attack those who's political actions they are using as justification?
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28th February 2017, 12:33 PM | #1390 |
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Here is an article about how acceptable sports riots are on college campuses in the US.
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/opinion...f0b3ab1e8.html Penn state needs to close down their toxic football program. They already were fine with using it as a hunting ground for a child rapist and they have these constant riots, shut it down! |
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28th February 2017, 12:43 PM | #1391 |
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28th February 2017, 01:05 PM | #1393 |
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And so all football fans need to explain why they find this acceptable, just like people who think being a sexist and racist is a bad reason to speak at a college need to explain how those riots were acceptable. It is simply taking the argument used here and using it more broadly.
Liberals are scum for because of this riot, but anyone who watches college football is super scum for the regular sports riots. Simple and direct logic. |
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It's so nice to know that you can read minds. It's unfortunate that you don't read very well.
That said... Given that a window has a designer, would you agree that the designer of the window has designed it for a purpose? Note that I've said nothing whatsoever about an objectively determined purpose - that's a pointless discussion altogether. All I'm asking at the moment is whether the designer of the object designed it for a purpose. |
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28th February 2017, 01:38 PM | #1400 |
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Using these thugs to discredit liberals is the entire point of this thread. How dare people question the rights golden boy Milo? If you discredit an entire group of people by a small group of troublemakers then anyone who likes football needs to account for these constant riots in college football.
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