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6th March 2017, 09:53 PM | #1521 |
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6th March 2017, 10:28 PM | #1522 |
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Because We The People never authorized our government to silence opinions, especially opinions that are disfavored by officials, which are, of course, the opinions that tend to get censored in other countries. It has nothing to do with the inherent ignorance or racist nature of the opinions themselves. There is no "allowing", by government, allowed, by The People. |
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7th March 2017, 08:09 AM | #1523 |
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For someone whose contributions to the thread proclaim to be in defense of free speech you sure seem to find the expression of skepticism towards your beliefs to be problematic. Is this freeze peach thing only for Milo and consorts?
As to the highlighted, I'm quite confident that many of the people who are the subject of the thread (you know, the ones who stopped your dear Milo from having his event) would, by and large, agree. |
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7th March 2017, 09:59 AM | #1525 |
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As opposed to the people who want to use fear and intimidation to make themselves master over people who may want to listen to speech they don't approve of.
That's the inherent hypocrisy of anarchism; as much as they don't want anyone making decisions for them, they do want to make decisions for everyone else. |
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7th March 2017, 10:08 AM | #1526 |
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7th March 2017, 11:34 AM | #1527 |
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I didn't add it because it doesn't fit with how you phrased it. The law assumes that god exists, but technically the law defined heresy as any action that questions the existence of god, the deification of Jesus, etc. One could *believe* what one wishes since there's no way to accurately assess the interior of another person's mind. One could not, however, speak out or convey that doubt in any fashion.
I thought I covered the scenario pretty well. |
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7th March 2017, 03:29 PM | #1528 |
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This thread is a trainwreck, thanks to one person.
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7th March 2017, 03:42 PM | #1530 |
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How many of the 9.66 pepper sprays do I need at my next protest?
SABRE Red Pepper Spray - Police Strength - Tactical Series with Locking Top, 10-Foot (3M) Range & 20 Bursts (Up to 5x Other Brands) I'll have to bring some along in case some folks in Trump hats show up. It's our healthcare protest after all. They did not want any healthcare. |
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7th March 2017, 07:35 PM | #1537 |
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Apparently none, they are so stupid they are pepper spraying themselves (they tried at a protest to pepper spray left-wing counter-protesters but there was a strong wind and it blew right back into their own face)
In all seriousness though, if you're expecting physical intervention at one of your protests or are thinking of doing so at one of theirs then contact your local antifa beforehand. Even if only for legal assistance in case things go wrong and you get arrested (they'll usually have a lawyer on standby for actions) and they'll have information about the practices of local fascist groups such as how violent they are and what weapons they tend to carry. |
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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No of course not, it's me. Or rather, it didn't get wrecked. They just don't like it when those damn leftists get to counter their arguments. The irony that their entire case against those damn leftists is built on the notion that it's the damn leftists who are intolerant of speech they disagree with, is of course completely lost on them.
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8th March 2017, 12:34 PM | #1544 |
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In defense of troll-feeding:
Why not? The only thing that makes one a troll is that they're further out from center than most. We have posters here who are just as far to the right, and we engage with them all the time. Personally, I think it's educational (for me, I assume for others too) to see just how warped it gets at the extremes of the political spectrum, and to see that there are real people at these extremes. |
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8th March 2017, 01:13 PM | #1545 |
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I think the discussion about allowing speech with which one absolutely disagrees is an important one to have, especially at this moment in time when the calls for silencing dissent are coming from otherwise liberal voices. Unfortunately that conversation was somewhat torpedoed in this and the 'punch a Nazi' thread in SI&CE by in-depth discussions of a 'philosophy' less evolved and refined than you'd hear expressed by the average college sophomore stoner waiting in the drive-through for his tacos to come up.
Shame to me, as they were threads which went from an interesting (to me) subject to a bit of adolescent edgelording. But if that's what others find interest in engaging with, then such is thread drift I suppose. |
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8th March 2017, 04:04 PM | #1548 |
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8th March 2017, 05:09 PM | #1549 |
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Because the troll is not interested in the topic of the thread or the discussion thereof.
I can't be alone in enjoying a thread's topic and finding it informative but eventually having to say "screw it" and give up reading it because some ******* barges in and makes the entire thread about his amusement. |
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It's you bunch of dimwits who aren't interested in the topic of the thread. The topic of the thread is the events surrounding Milo at Berkeley, which has nothing to do with what you apparently want to discuss (ie allowing or not allowing speech which one disagrees with). The correct way to handle wanting to discuss something else than the thread's topic is to start a new one.
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9th March 2017, 09:44 AM | #1554 |
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Or how about if you start a thread on your alternative views of property rights and discuss freedom of speech here?
Personally, I want to listen Milo Yiannnopoulos precisely because I disagree with him on many issues. I hope to learn not only his opinions, but his perspective and how he arrives at his opinions. Why? Because I'm open to the possibility that he's right and, and also because I need to understand him to know how and why he's wrong. Basically the same reasons I pay attention to you. My experience is often that when I'm told what someone's opinion is, it's often different from their actual opinions either because they're trying to exaggerate it to make it more villainous, or to sanitize it to make it more acceptable |
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Present your evidence that the protesters shut down Milo's event because they disagreed with him[*]. Upon failing to do so, feel free to admit that you are trying to derail the thread by trying to make it about your pet topic of "allowing or preventing speech one disagrees with". The truth of course is quite obviously simple, preventing speech one disagrees with is all you are able to argue against, hence why you try to make it about that - even though all evidence contradicts that this was the basis for shutting down Milo's event. It is of course always quite telling that when someone points this out by referencing publications of such groups of protesters, or defending their position, that immediately claims come up of "trolling" or "derailing". Right-wing snowflakes really need their safe spaces, where they can let their own imagination go wild and without it being contradicted, don't they?
* and feel free to explain, if you want to uphold your claim, why they don't shut down other speech they disagree with - such as, say, people claiming the Earth is flat. |
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Because this thread is about the actions of a specific group of protesters. Just because some posters here want to assign intentions to these protesters that only exist in their own imagination ("they are for shutting down speech they disagree with") does not change that.
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I'll bite for this one, mostly because I'm curious where you are going with such an odd challenge:
Fascist ideals are threatening to the way of life and rights of others. Flat-earth philosophy is harmless quackery. The issue pretty obviously is not about disagreement. |
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