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29th March 2017, 07:47 PM | #1841 |
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Do you agree that based on the available reporting, the marchers appear to be the aggressors at the Orange County march? What with abundant video footage of them assaulting, battering, and otherwise menacing the protesters? Before you say anything about the pepper spraying, watch the video from OCWeekly, linked upthread. The protester (as much to my surprise as anyone's) is plainly defending himself and a photographer from an attack by a Trump supporter.
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You may have a point. I remember living a year there during 1997-1998 and I do not remember ever meeting a black person in Huntington Beach (where I was staying). Not ever. Period.
Damn...I can not believe I remembered such a thing until it was mentioned. Thanks for your post. |
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29th March 2017, 08:20 PM | #1845 |
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Talk is cheap Prove it. I produced evidence for my position. Your turn.
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You said the wall was a battery. In the cold light of the Cali Penal Code linked above, standing by that or no?
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Plus that's twice in a row you called them protesters, are you sure you aren't referring to the marchers?
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I was originally being Devil's Advocate in supporting the protesters. You have actually convinced me that the marchers were the entire problem. |
29th March 2017, 08:22 PM | #1846 |
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29th March 2017, 08:29 PM | #1847 |
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Good point. Pretty sure that the Berkeley rioters were more...seasoned... at what they do than the Orange County ones. Different groups with different levels of commitment/ideology, and different objectives, it's too tempting to lump them all into one pile and treat them all the same.
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29th March 2017, 08:32 PM | #1848 |
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I got to the point where you proved that you did not understand what moving the goalposts is and chuckled.
Explain to everyone your concept of a symbolic wall for the assembled group. How did they stop the march (well try to) without physically touching the lawful legal protesters? Say, thanks for the definition from the penal code. Now here is a bit of legal analysis of it for ya. https://www.avvo.com/legal-guides/ug...d-battery-laws |
29th March 2017, 08:32 PM | #1849 |
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If there were no antifa, there would have been no violence, right ?
OK maybe the OC weekly guys may have got some grief. It appears they don't like Orange County very much. |
29th March 2017, 08:38 PM | #1850 |
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The Orange County ones were pros. I'll let you do your own research on the guy mentioned in this article.
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Perhaps I misunderstood you. I thought you were abandoning the wall battery claim and moving the goalposts to other claims of battery. But no...you are standing by this? Ok, see below.
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1. A wall is a stationary object. The protesters formed a human wall to block the march. It was not a 'flying anarchist rush' or whatever you are theorizing. A wall is still, and blocks progress. 2. The marchers are reported in the Mercury News and elsewhere as having pushed through the protesters. The human wall was not reported anywhere to have made any moves towards the marchers. 3. The marchers were the only people guilty of a battery, as they walked up to the stationary human wall and willingly used force against other people.
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Please cite exactly what in that analysis you believe supports your view on battery. Or just handwave it all away again. |
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Are you under the misconception that I support the rioters? No way. But I support truth, warts and all. People see what happened in Orange County and assume it is the bad old anarchists being evil. They don't see the reporting that is right in front of their eyes, that the marchers were unabashedly aggressive. Pretty soon, it becomes any protest is 'those bad old anarchists' again...gently sliding towards 'those bad old Leftists' again. The goodthink scares me more than any anarchist.
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30th March 2017, 06:55 AM | #1859 |
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I think there was, that the protester was so clearly in the legal right by defending the photographer being attacked by the marcher. Rarely do you get video evidence of such a clear-cut case of using force to defend another, and then get beaten and arrested. I have a feeling charges will be dropped after police review the footage.
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and they were mortared in place like the ancients of old, a bulwark against the rising tide of legal marchers.
How utterly ridiculous. Those guys in the Stationary Human Wall of Impressiveness must have world champion "I'm not touching you" players in their youth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgXDYiHhp5Y |
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Yes. Of course. That's why it's used as a protest technique. It creates a sort of standoff where if you push through them, as the marchers did, you have committed textbook battery. The marchers did so, and committed battery by walking up to the stationary human wall and pushing through it.
When you have a moment, please cite what part of that superficial legal analysis you provided upthread supports your views on telekinetic battery, or whatever you call it. You know, where someone walks up to you, shoves you out of the way, and you are guilty of battery. Dying to hear this. |
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HA! I chuckled again!
telekinetic battery otherwise known as simple assault? http://www.assaultandbattery.org/california/ You are a dream correspondent! Thanks |
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Again with the link which continues to support my position on battery. From your new link:
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Are you trying to move the goalposts again to now claim you meant 'assault' all along? I agree that the protestors might be guilty of that. But the marchers were unequivocally guilty of battery, when they walked up and shoved their way through the wall. Don't you read these things before posting? |
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Actually i was just nuking from orbit your attempt to be clever by saying "telekinetic battery" which it turns out is a little something called assault.
Now, what we were talking about is the black bloc scum intentionally putting themselves in harms way and then claiming that they were just acting in self defense when people approached their "wall." Even the slightest little bit of movement on the part of people trying to block free passage of the permitted marchers? That there is your battery. As previously pointed out, even the tiniest bit of touching results in a battery. So the black bloc take legit beating and then get their asses thrown in jail. That there is what we call a "win win." |
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And you took the bait. Battery requires that you willingly use force against another person. There is no reporting in any link cited ITT that the wall protesters made any moves whatsoever. There is reporting that the marchers walked up and shoved through them. Assault by the protestors is debatable; battery is not unless you have an ace up your sleeve.
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Agreed, he appears to be sincere in making a political statement. I think the Berkeley guys were more intent on burning/smashing than political commentary (the riots continued for hours after their success in cancelling the Milo speech), and that they were organized and efficient in execution. Kind of amazing that none were arrested on site during Berkeley.
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First, I want to compliment you on your random bolding.
Second, this analogy is ridiculous, as I am sure you know. You just claimed he was stationary, which is absurd. If you intentionally and belligerently block someone's way, and when they try to get around you move and create contact with them? that is a battery. hell, I'll go a step further and note that using one's body to create a physical barrier actually creates consent to a touching. Which is why the wall was in jail licking their wounds. |
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It is not, but please cite any reporting that this happened. You are trying to add details to make the absurd argument plausible. Reporting thus far is that the marchers approached and shoved through the protesters. Cite specifically where your Alternative Facts TM are reported.
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I visited the Berkeley campus today and things are now quiet and I hope it stays that way despite the fact that Trump is proving with each passing day that he is unfit to be president. |
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