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University of California Berkeley just cancelled an Ann Coulter speech, because of the violence of the anti-Free speech Black Bloc scum and and the Anti-FirstAmendement cretins.
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Geez, I just looked at that video that Stout provided.
Did anyone catch that woman that knocked that man on the head (when he was looking away)? And I did not know until just know that Anti fa was Anti First Amendment. Yes, it is appalling that anyone cannot speak on a university campus because of potential violence. I have a genuine dislike for Ann Coulter's politics, but I would not expect that dislike to turn violent at a speaking event. |
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I don't know why they would invite Ann Coulter in the first place, but cancelling her is a real problem.
I don't like Trump, but I understand why he won. If you think it was a good idea to reward the black masked crowd this way, look in the mirror to see the reason Trump is president. ETA: The "you" above is not meant to be The Big Dog. I'm agreeing (shudder) with him. This kind of political violence is bad news. |
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They're not liberal, at least not in the sense you and I understand the term. These guys are anarchists. They believe anarchy will somehow lead to the creation of a communist utopia. They are pro-violence, anti-speech, and given the chance they will more oppressive and violent than any system they want to replace.
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I'm still working on that myself. I'd tend to go with the guy in the DIY Darth Vader outfit but I'm unsure whether the Siracha sauce t-shirt has any special meaning.
Around here, those t-shirts mean you like hot sauce but they may signal something completely different on the east coast. |
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Let's try and kill free speech and make solving things with violence the norm.
Morally repugnant strategy , but it might work, you know if the people in power didn't vastly out man, out gun, and have more battlefield experience than the antifa tools. With free speech they get to keep demonstrating, if they convince everyone else to play their game, they get killed. Antifa the only group that is striving as hard as they can to lose a fight. |
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As long as these jerks succeed in getting conservative speakers removed from campus, the complaints about universities as almost completely liberal look that much more plausible.
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Agreed. There are plenty of conservative speakers that are much more appropriate than Ann Coultermfor an intellectual environment. Coulter can be counted on to be strident and conservative on every single issue. In other words, she doesn't really put any thought into what she says except possibly, "How can I make them more angry?"
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Ok, fair enough. I see what you mean, but I didn't intend it that way. I was trying to underscore that you were assuming she was the aggressor because she had a deadly weapon, and that damning assumption hung on some tenuous evidence. I agree that it was very likely a bottle, but not that it drops the gavel on her being the vicious attacker and Cap'n Whitey being the innocent and noble defender.
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Good to hear. But what I am reading (not referring to you) is post after post condemning the anarchists/antifa as being the problem. Breeze through the thread. Look like balanced condemnation to you? Multiple pics and vids are posted showing clear aggression by the pro-Trumpers. Nary a peep about them. But antifa walked over a plastic fence (with no one on the other side yet)...now there is real evidence of violence.
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I don't speak for anyone else, but I'll tell you why the alt-right concern me less: they have yet to shut down any left-wing speakers on any campus (or other venue).
If that starts happening with anything like the regularity that the ctrl-left shuts down conservatives, I'll consider them just as much of a threat. |
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Stout had suggested she may have been drinking, possibly to get up her nerve. I tend to agree, as there was no reports of her throwing bottles, and the one she has was not broken (Reuters was right there, seems like they would have noted that?).
But even if she was planning to use it, offensively or defensively, that still does not justify the nazi battery unless she was actually doing something. No evidence has been shown that she was. Evidence has been shown that she was violently attacked by a white supremacist. |
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A good point, but two caveats: One, the nazis have their candidate in the Oval Office, and enjoying widespread power for the first time in a long time. They simply don't need to shut anyone else down. Second, who on the left compares with Milo, in terms of moral outrage? The left is usually criticized for being too soft, no?
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I understand, you were trying to create reasonable doubt. There was very little room for that here (wrt the presence of the bottle ) considering the picture came from what most people would consider a reliable source.
Again, fair enough. No, I don't think she was innocently enjoying an early refreshment and was unexpectedly attacked. I posted more than once that I think this was a mutual street brawl and none wore halos. But I see post after post about the bad old leftists, and the nazis are only criticized in passing ('oh, yeah, the marchers were also kind of wrong'). FFS, they imported bikers and freaking militias for this. Why do you (and others) not show equal contempt and criticism for them? Where is your outrage at the clear photos of neo-nazis actually attacking protesters? The "bad old leftists" posts are coming because the bad old leftists attacked someone else's event because they didn't think it should happen. You'd be reading anti fundy posts if a group of fundies decided to attack a gay pride parade because they didn't think it should be allowed to happen. As noted upthread, it's a freedom of speech and a freedom of assembly issue. So what have we got. One confirmed nazi guy, a couple more who may, or may not, have been mugging for the camera but let's call it three. Now let's express those three as a percentage of the total number of people present at the freedom of speech rally.........and we've got a bunch of regular conservative folks with the odd douchbag thrown in. Antifa made no such distinctions and attacked the entire group.
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Agreed, no question on Reuters as a reliable source. And repeatedly agreed, she held a bottle. Not agreed, that this proves she was the aggressor.
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They have been called protesters for dozens of pages in this thread alone. You're just getting that now?
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Uh, no. The left isn't soft, it has often been more violent than the right. Trump has plenty of faults but he is no Nazi. The right didn't shut down speakers when it didn't have power, and the left shut speakers down BECAUSE it has power, not because it lacks power. And Milo is no more offensive than actual communists.
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And it has been proven without a shred of doubt that the black bloc scum were not protesters, they were an armed mob there to do violence and only violence.
And you call the originals marchers Nazis when it turns out the antifreespeech scum were the real fascists. Did you see the black bloc scum hit the marcher who was on his knees with a huge bike lock? You are trying to whitewash the black bloc, and are failing miserably. Donate to Moldylocks, she needs a bath |
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She claims it's still gonna happen. According to MSN:
"SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Ann Coulter fired off an angry stream of tweets Wednesday vowing to speak as planned next week at the University of California, Berkeley after campus officials called off the event for security concerns. "I WILL BE SPEAKING NEXT THURSDAY," the right-wing commentator tweeted, calling the move to cancel her planned event on April 27 a ban on free speech." |
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We have some of those in the UK, not many though. They are essentially parasites on society, a coagulation of fascists, anarchists, junkie tramps and drug-addled students who violently oppose free speech and capitalism except when they're claiming their benefits or squatting in somebody else's property using the utilities that somebody else pays for. Half will end up dead with a needle in their arm, the others will be employed by universities or find work with the word 'community' in the job title.
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So do you or do you not consider Trump himself a "Trumptard"?
Uhu. That much is obvious.
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