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Old Yesterday, 07:17 AM   #601
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Govt papers circulating in Whitehall claim that much of the recent development in Medway/Kent region as part of the Thames Gateway Project is “nonsensical” as rising sea levels will require “an increasing retreat” from low lying Kent areas “within a generation”.

The govt “is relaxed” about areas in East of England that have garnered more media attention as these are often lightly populated & “retreat is already in process”.
Development in Kent though appears to still be planned & undertaken as if sea level rises “are not happening”.

Govt estimates as many as 30 000 “newly built properties” in Kent alone will thus be unsustainable within the next 2 decades without huge investment in sea defences - which will almost certainly be more costly than simply abandoning these homes and rebuilding further inland.
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Old Yesterday, 07:47 AM   #602
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Govt papers circulating in Whitehall claim that much of the recent development in Medway/Kent region as part of the Thames Gateway Project is “nonsensical” as rising sea levels will require “an increasing retreat” from low lying Kent areas “within a generation”.

The govt “is relaxed” about areas in East of England that have garnered more media attention as these are often lightly populated & “retreat is already in process”.
Development in Kent though appears to still be planned & undertaken as if sea level rises “are not happening”.

Govt estimates as many as 30 000 “newly built properties” in Kent alone will thus be unsustainable within the next 2 decades without huge investment in sea defences - which will almost certainly be more costly than simply abandoning these homes and rebuilding further inland.
I see no evidence for the Conservative government considering timescales beyond months, possibly even weeks, decades isn't even something that they'd be aware of.

Heck, 1 January 2021 is too far in the future to do anything concrete about.
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Old Yesterday, 08:10 AM   #603
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Govt papers circulating in Whitehall claim that much of the recent development in Medway/Kent region as part of the Thames Gateway Project is “nonsensical” as rising sea levels will require “an increasing retreat” from low lying Kent areas “within a generation”.

The govt “is relaxed” about areas in East of England that have garnered more media attention as these are often lightly populated & “retreat is already in process”.
Development in Kent though appears to still be planned & undertaken as if sea level rises “are not happening”.

Govt estimates as many as 30 000 “newly built properties” in Kent alone will thus be unsustainable within the next 2 decades without huge investment in sea defences - which will almost certainly be more costly than simply abandoning these homes and rebuilding further inland.
Hmmm maybe. I kind of expect the mitigation to happen anyway though.

2m rise



0m in case you can't see the original coast very well

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Old Yesterday, 08:38 AM   #604
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With a 2m rise, quite a lot of Lincolnshire is gone.

You can play with it here:

https://www.floodmap.net/
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Old Yesterday, 09:05 AM   #605
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
With a 2m rise, quite a lot of Lincolnshire is gone.

You can play with it here:

https://www.floodmap.net/
Keeping in mind that 2m is more like an upper bound than an expectation for the time frame being discussed here. Even considering that RCP8.5 may be the most likely CO2 emission scenario out to 2050 (https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2.../30/2007117117)

The problem is that major ice sheet melting lags warming by a lot. This makes it hard to predict how soon sea level rise will occur even if we have paleo-climate data telling us how much to expect. Out to 2100 most sea level rise may still be due to thermal expansion, in which case it will likely be in the 0.5m to 1m range. Conversely if we follow RCP8.5 until 2050 and then hold CO2 concentrations steady afterwards (no increase or decrease) we could see 7+ meters of sea level rise over the next 300 years. That would be beyond the scope of Brexit planning though.
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Old Yesterday, 10:23 AM   #606
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So it will be Southend-under-the-sea
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Old Yesterday, 10:29 AM   #607
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
So it will be Southend-under-the-sea
I seriously hope not, I live there
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Old Yesterday, 10:51 AM   #608
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So Sheppey and the Medway Towns will disappear. What's not to like?
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Old Yesterday, 11:14 AM   #609
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When you're on the other side of a fight with Ben and Jerry, IMO you should pause for thought and consider whether you're in the right.
In or on?

Haagen Daz was founded by immigrants so she'll need a third reichs cream ice cream maker. Do Lyons still make ice cream? Margaret Thatcher worked on that one so it should be ideologically pure.
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I seriously hope not, I live there
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I seriously hope not, I live there
Don't worry, Ester McVey will do a Ceebeebies swimming video to go with her driving one.
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Sir Edward Leigh MP says !Problem with cross-Channel migrants? We should never have lost Calais in 1558. Why not take it back?
On second thoughts, cheaper to pay the French a few million to stop them on the beaches."

Guess which party he represents?
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So Sheppey and the Medway Towns will disappear. What's not to like?
The loss of most of Britain's most productive farmland in East Anglia?
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Sir Edward Leigh MP says !Problem with cross-Channel migrants? We should never have lost Calais in 1558. Why not take it back?
On second thoughts, cheaper to pay the French a few million to stop them on the beaches."

Guess which party he represents?
Keep Royalty White, Rat Catching And Safe Sewage Residents' Party?
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The loss of most of Britain's most productive farmland in East Anglia?
That's OK we'll be able to continue to import food from the EU because we'll still be part of the free trade area - at least that's what Brexit promised
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A new poll reveals that 57% of the UK public wish to rejoin the EU, while only 35% still support Brexit
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But that 35% are very important people so we will have to continue on the path of self destruction - will of the people you know.
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
So? When has the British government ever cared about what people want? Or need?
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But that 35% are very important people so we will have to continue on the path of self destruction - will of the people you know.
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/1qq0ox2v...uestions_W.pdf

YouGov have it as 41%-47%.
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PARADOX OF VICTIMHOOD: No Form of Brexit Will Ever Satisfy Brexit Ultras

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Invariably, the Brexit Ultras claim that that they are speaking for the 17.4 million people who voted to leave the EU in 2016 – but this is nonsense. Not only was no definition of what Brexit would look like put forward at the time, but there has never been a polling majority for leaving the single market, still less for exiting all the various EU agencies and programmes that the Ultras revile because they have some lurking role for the European Court of Justice.

But, bogus as it is, that claim matters – because it has the effect of creating an insoluble paradox. On the one hand, Brexit must be done because it is the ‘will of the people’. On the other hand, any actual form of Brexit is a betrayal of the will of the people. That is a consequence of the Brexit Ultras constantly asking for more and – at a profound level – of their need for the victimhood that comes from not being given more.

Since the referendum an entire nation has been shackled to the political psychology of a relatively small number of people who – like rebellious teenagers secretly wanting to be set boundaries – demand total victory whilst craving defeat. It makes it impossible to turn Brexit into a workable policy because, at heart, it is not a policy demand at all, but a demand to be thwarted.

It is an old joke that the cruellest sadist is one who refuses to inflict pain on a masochist. That joke is now being played out in the politics of Brexit Britain. The thing is – it is not very funny.
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The loss of most of Britain's most productive farmland in East Anglia?
It's a fair price to pay.
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