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Old Yesterday, 01:47 PM   #3281
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Then what is the underlying crime not dependent on the preferences of Parliament?
The preferences of Parliament are irrelevant. If proroging Parliament was unlawful then it remains unlawful regardless of the preference of Parliament.
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This is from a newspaper piece, where Eadie is one of the Govt. counsels in the Supreme Court hearing that's going on. It might clear up a few things for you:

"Eadie struggled on, each argument weaker than the last. If parliament hadnít wanted to be prorogued, why wasnít it doing something to stop being prorogued? He still hadnít quite grasped that parliament canít do anything when it is prorogued. Fairly basic stuff, youíd have thought. The time-sensitive legislation could be dealt with when parliament returned. Apart from the bits that were time sensitive. He didnít even seem entirely sure of the difference between recess and prorogation."
Does it matter if parliament opposed it or not?
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Does it matter if parliament opposed it or not?
For the third? time. No.
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Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal View Post
The preferences of Parliament are irrelevant. If proroging Parliament was unlawful then it remains unlawful regardless of the preference of Parliament.

Why would it ever be unlawful to prorogue parliament?
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Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal View Post
For the third? time. No.
I already know your opinion. I'm asking glennb.

If glennb agrees with the position that Glenn quoted, glennb's response to my question affects the follow up question.

And glennb may not agree with you, so I will not presume glennb's position.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Does it matter if parliament opposed it or not?
Read the piece again.
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Originally Posted by GlennB View Post
This is from a newspaper piece, where Eadie is one of the Govt. counsels in the Supreme Court hearing that's going on. It might clear up a few things for you:

"Eadie struggled on, each argument weaker than the last. If parliament hadnít wanted to be prorogued, why wasnít it doing something to stop being prorogued? He still hadnít quite grasped that parliament canít do anything when it is prorogued. Fairly basic stuff, youíd have thought. The time-sensitive legislation could be dealt with when parliament returned. Apart from the bits that were time sensitive. He didnít even seem entirely sure of the difference between recess and prorogation."
Do I recognise the writing style of John Crace there?
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Originally Posted by GlennB View Post
Read the piece again.
Doesnt answer my question. The quote suggests they wouldn't have the ability to oppose it if they did oppose it. That is a separate from my question if it matters if they do or do not.
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Way things are going Boris may go down as the worst PM since Lord North...you know the PM from the early 1770's to 1781 who brought on the American Revolution, and them managed to lose the Revolutionary War.....

On a minor note, we can add Marvel Comic Charecters to the long list of things Boris knows nothing about.....
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Why would it ever be unlawful to prorogue parliament?
if the supreme court finds it was then it will be.

why would you think the opinion of parliament would matter?
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
I already know your opinion. I'm asking glennb.

If glennb agrees with the position that Glenn quoted, glennb's response to my question affects the follow up question.

And glennb may not agree with you, so I will not presume glennb's position.
its not an opinion its a fact.

if John robs a bank it doesn't matter how many of the bank employees are happy or indifferent to the robbery. a crime is a crime.
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
Do I recognise the writing style of John Crace there?
It is he
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And another thread Bobbed...….
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And another thread Bobbed...Ö.
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Old Yesterday, 03:41 PM   #3295
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Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal View Post
its not an opinion its a fact.

if John robs a bank it doesn't matter how many of the bank employees are happy or indifferent to the robbery. a crime is a crime.
As if no one has ever had a different position on a claim of fact on this forum.

I will allow glennb to answer the question. I know your position.
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It's not that difficult to squat on a w.c., but I wouldn't advise it in a public lavatory given how loose those seats frequently are.
This is where advanced yoga comes in handy.

As an alternative they could lift the seat up.

Although learning advanced yoga might be less intellectually taxing for the average yoga practitioner.
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Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal View Post
if the supreme court finds it was then it will be.

why would you think the opinion of parliament would matter?
I have no opinion on that.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
And another thread Bobbed...Ö.
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And another thread Bobbed...Ö.
And another thread bites the dust.
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IIRR my tuition fees in the late '80s were around IR£2,500. I had earned sufficient for my first two years, including living expenses, before I started.
At college many of my peers were working part-time.

I wonder how many part-time jobs the environs surrounding most universities can provide?

Enough for every student that might be in need of one?
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By the way, I had read the Scottish decision before, I thought it spent very little time establishing why prorogation could be criminal. It was mostly about establishment that Johnson tried to restrict parliament and justiciability.

The argument it is illegal is one paragraph. It basically says it is the application of the common law informed by the principle of the rule of law (paragraph 51)

As a foreigner, I don't have the background to reach that shorthand conclusion. That is the piece I want to know more specifics about.
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By the way, I had read the Scottish decision before, I thought it spent very little time establishing why prorogation could be criminal. It was mostly about establishment that Johnson tried to restrict parliament and justiciability.

The argument it is illegal is one paragraph. It basically says it is the application of the common law informed by the principle of the rule of law (paragraph 51)

As a foreigner, I don't have the background to reach that shorthand conclusion. That is the piece I want to know more specifics about.
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EU gives Boris Johnson ultimatum: Show us Brexit plan in 12 days or Ďitís overí

Looks like patience is MIA...
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Way things are going Boris may go down as the worst PM since Lord North...you know the PM from the early 1770's to 1781 who brought on the American Revolution, and them managed to lose the Revolutionary War.....

On a minor note, we can add Marvel Comic Charecters to the long list of things Boris knows nothing about.....
Well, he has Churchill's attention to detail and practicality coupled with Eden's strategic grasp.

And Enoch Powell's unifying instinct with Profumo's ability to avoid compromising relationships
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Exactly what Boris Johnson wants. A no deal with the opportunity to blame the EU. We could have had a deal if only they hadn't asked for details of the deal.
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It looks like Boris Johnson's plan is to present the UK's proposals so late that there's no opportunity to subject them to proper scrutiny.

If the plan is accepted then it's a victory for Boris because the plan will be deeply flawed. If it isn't then he can blame the EU for dismissing the UK's fantastic plan out of hand

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A Downing Street source said: "We will continue negotiating and put forward proposals at the appropriate time."
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
It looks like Boris Johnson's plan is to ........
You think he has a plan
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It looks like Boris Johnson's plan is to present the UK's proposals so late that there's no opportunity to subject them to proper scrutiny.

If the plan is accepted then it's a victory for Boris because the plan will be deeply flawed. If it isn't then he can blame the EU for dismissing the UK's fantastic plan out of hand
That's what the article says:

Reports suggest ideas brought to Brussels by UK negotiators have amounted to the same as the old agreement, with the section on the Irish backstop simply crossed out in the text. UK sources have also reportedly suggested full proposals are being deliberately held back to the last minute for timing reasons.

In other words yes, BJ is probably going to present something at the last minute and then fume at the EU for not accepting his hard work. Given the dearth of possibilies, I suspect it will be a NI-only backstop or something of that nature.

That might actually pass, but articles such as these make it less likely.

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You think he has a plan
Yes, the plan (in full and at its greatest level of detail) is:
  1. Leave the EU with no deal
  2. Attempt to blame the EU
  3. Money (from shorting the pound and FTSE)
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You think he has a plan
It's a very generous definition of a "plan".

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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
It looks like Boris Johnson's plan is to present the UK's proposals so late that there's no opportunity to subject them to proper scrutiny.

If the plan is accepted then it's a victory for Boris because the plan will be deeply flawed. If it isn't then he can blame the EU for dismissing the UK's fantastic plan out of hand
Or to create enough ill will that they dont agree to the extension?

I would vote against an extension if it meant never having to see Ann Widdecombe again.
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