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Old 3rd March 2015, 09:35 PM   #121
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No you are right again RC!

You think the Rosetta mob would be expecting to see ice, everywhere and that ice would be brighter than the dark albedo surrounds and here you have the proof of bright patches on the surface of 67P.

But the silence is deafening!

Seems 67P does not want to play nicely! I'm still having trouble how your subsurface chambers can generate the required pressure from ice below a well insulated surface into a highly porous interior and shoot jets out at 700 ms!!! not to mention the diffuse area that the jets DO seem to emanate from.

Now just to find the ice, surface or subsurface...
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Old 3rd March 2015, 10:03 PM   #122
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This OSIRIS narrow-angle camera image shows part of a large fracture running through the Hapi region in Comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko’s neck. At the location of the right arrow, the fracture appears as a chain of pits. This image has been resized to 40% of the original image release (which appears to have been enlarged by 500%).
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chain of pits??? like a crater chain??

Like here

and

Here

and here
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Old 3rd March 2015, 10:19 PM   #123
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
No you are right again RC!
Thank you Sol88 but repeating what looks like Thunderbolts delusions about what they imagine scientists to believe remains bad.

The Rosetta mission has found ice everywhere - the interior of 67P is made of dust and ice and is emitting water!

Where Thunderbolts are delusional is forgetting about the layer of surface dust that has been detected.

Where you join in the delusion is "I see bunnies in the cloud" logic + a repeat of the demonstrated inability to interpret astronomy images with your I see ice that actual astronomers in the Rosetta mission do not mention !

Argument from ignorance or incredibility is not good either, Sol88. Wow - 700 m/s is a really big number
Wow - you do not want actually read a textbook, paper, etc. describing comet jets!

The repeated lie about not finding subsurface ice on 67P
* the measured density of 67P means that it has to be made of ices and dust, i.e. subsurface ice has been found.
* we see gas from ices in the jets, there is no surface ice thus there has to be subsurface ices
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Old 3rd March 2015, 10:26 PM   #124
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
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chain of pits??? like a crater chain??
Wrong, Sol88: Chain of pits like a series of pits in a line !
They are unlikely to be an impact crater chain as is frequently seen on moons since there are few known impact craters on 67P:
At last! A slew of OSIRIS images shows fascinating landscapes on Rosetta's comet
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Take this round depression, one of the few examples of possible impact craters on the comet. The 35-meter crater appears to be covered by airfall material with a depth of 1 to 5 meters (based on standard depth-to-diameter ratios for craters), according to the morphology paper.
In this case we have: This OSIRIS narrow-angle camera image shows part of a large fracture running through the Hapi region in Comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko’s neck. At the location of the right arrow, the fracture appears as a chain of pits. This image has been resized to 40% of the original image release (which appears to have been enlarged by 500%).
IMO this could be a fracture along which outgassing has happened and formed pits.

ETA: You do not even need a visible fracture:
Latest Research Reveals a Bizarre and Vibrant Rosetta’s Comet
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Look closely to the upper left and lower right of G and you’ll spot a chain of depressions likely caused by ice sublimating from beneath the surface.

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ETA: You do not even need a visible fracture:
Latest Research Reveals a Bizarre and Vibrant Rosetta’s Comet

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Look closely to the upper left and lower right of G and you’ll spot a chain of depressions likely caused by ice sublimating from beneath the surface.
Just need to find the ICE Reality Check, then you may have a leg to stand on, otherwise your ad hoc explanations are just parroting the dogma comets are made of ice and dust with ALL the SURPRISES and UNEXPECTED findings so far...which were correctly predicted by the ELECTRIC COMET THEORY!!!

And it's hilarious watching you try and explain mainstreams pink unicorns and dust bunnies as actual science FACT.

Seems pretty clear mainstream have NO idea how to interpret the data! always just hidden out sight, just a little deeper or more resolution required.

No ICE, No deepfriedicecream comet!
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Old 3rd March 2015, 11:45 PM   #126
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No, Sol88 - we know that you are incapable of knowing what you see in astronomy images from your pervious bad attempts to do so. So you noticing anything correctly is highly improbable.
Comet flyby: OSIRIS catches glimpse of Rosetta’s shadow
Notice absolutely no mention of ice at the blog, Sol88!
Notice bright spots on the surface of 67P, Sol88.

Notice that it is a (Thunderbolts?) lie to say that scientists expect to see ice in OSIRIS images now that they have evidence that the surface of 67P is covered in dust !

The ignorance of depending on descriptive terms rather than science with "dirtydeepfriedicecream" confirmed.

Yes, Sol88, a mixture of dust and ices is "rocky-like stuff" especially in low gravity when they can more easily adhere.
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The grandest of the consolidated surfaces – the fifth type of terrain – is Hathor, a towering 2,950-foot (900 meter) cliff that dominates the underside of the comet’s duck-like head. Its distinctive linear features, which run both up and down and across for much of its height, reveal brighter material that suggests we’re seeing the internal structure of the comet’s head. Tucked along an alcove on the cliff are additional bright white spots less than 30 feet (10-m) across that may be patches of sublimating ice.
Ice everywhere RC!! well maybe ice because there is no other option! Well there is but it is not to be spoken of

Like me 'ol mate Holger's statement
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“It’s rocky-like stuff, but not rock.”
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
With Hexagonal craters and all!!!
Which one, the glass or the bunch of flies?
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Old 4th March 2015, 12:37 PM   #128
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Just need to find the ICE Reality Check
Just need to get rid of the delusions that
* ICE has not been found, Sol88 !
* science is dogma
* electric comets is anything but a delusion
* "pink unicorns and dust bunnies" show your great intellectual powers , Sol88
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Talking Sol88 agrees that there is no rock seen on 67P

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Ice everywhere RC!!...more gibberish...
Yes, Sol88, a comet made of ices and dust has ice everywhere !

There is no solid rock as you quoted Holger Sierks saying:
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Holger Sierks said, “Higher strength material that was a surprise to us.” “With this picture of dust falling back to the surface forming high porosity layers, we failed to explain the rebounds.” “It’s rocky-like stuff, but not rock.” “We also see this stuff shining through where the dust layer is wiped away or fallen off following the gravitational field and exposing a higher-strength material and this is something we could consider be the reason for the rebound.”
Sol88 agrees that there is no rock detected on 67P by quoting Holger Sierks stating that there was no rock !
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Old 5th March 2015, 01:02 AM   #130
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
Which one, the glass or the bunch of flies?
Oh, I'm sorry. You have an explanation for Hexagonal Crater formation??

let rip cobber, we are all ears
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Just for the record, SOL88 believes his eyes and see's solid rock and NO ice.

Just as the Thunderbolts team predicted!!
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Surface geology

Thornhill: The model predicts a sculpted surface, distinguished by sharply defined craters, valleys, mesas, and ridges - the opposite of the softened relief expected of a sublimating "dirty snowball". (A chunk of ice melting in the Sun loses its sharp relief, just like a scoop of melting ice cream.)
see [ 2005 July 03]
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One surprise, according to Nicolas Thomas, of Switzerland's University of Bern, lead author of one of the papers, is that the surface of comet 67P looks plenty lumpy. "Rosetta has blown that concept apart," he says.
"We have smooth surfaces—we don't know how they formed. We have brittle, crumbly material. We have material that looks like rock." There are even rippled features that look like sand dunes. "I don't think anyone had even imagined something like that," says Thomas.
The conventional wisdom had been that escaping gases sculpt comets as they close in on the sun. But Thomas wonders, "Can you really produce those various features from that one process?"
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mainstream are the ones in trouble with the density measurements not the EU, surprise after surprise for the mainstream!

Philae confirmed it's hardness WHEN ALL 3 systems designed to anchor it to an ICEY surface failed (or were not used) and bounced of a hard surface into a very rocky looking cliff!!

So you can bang on all you want at how clever the mission planners were and how marvelous a technical achievement it was to put a probe around a comet...but for three systems to fail??? Mmmm.......just say'n.
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Just for the record, SOL88 believes his eyes and see's solid rock and NO ice.
There are people on this forum who see Bigfoot in photos of shadowy trees. Guess Bigfoot must be real, based on your assertion here.
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There are people on this forum who see Bigfoot in photos of shadowy trees. Guess Bigfoot must be real, based on your assertion here.
Been there done that, you prove to me Bigfoot doesn't exist!

Anyhoo looks like rock, hard like Rock and sample returned of rock...

Your problem to work out your maths error in the "measured" density.
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Oh, I'm sorry. You have an explanation for Hexagonal Crater formation??

let rip cobber, we are all ears
A few ideas springs to mind. No one electrical. You know, some cultures, probably yours, enjoy epostracism (stone skipping). Mine likes to draw interference patterns on water by dropping stones at the same time. I'm sure I could get a twelve-year old to show you how a hexagon is made.

But don't worry, I'm just here occasionally to enjoy epistemological hedonism at work, laugh a bit and study its ways. Think of me as a Dian Fossey who enjoys to monkey around with her creatures now and then. I know it's methodologically wrong, but, what the heck, it's JREF IS.
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I find it annoying that Haig, when pressed for a specific answer to a specific question, vanishes from the thread to be replaced by Sol88 gibbering on about utterly different things. I was so hoping the EW proponents would be capable of forming a cogent response to what seems a simple but important question.
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Been there done that, you prove to me Bigfoot doesn't exist!
I don't have to.

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Anyhoo looks like rock, hard like Rock and sample returned of rock...

Your problem to work out your maths error in the "measured" density.
Rock that is less dense than water ice.
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Anyhoo looks like rock, hard like Rock and sample returned of rock...

Your problem to work out your maths error in the "measured" density.

I guess it's to be expected that one so disdainful of science and scientists would fail to distinguish between two of the most basic concepts of physics. That sound you hear, Sol, is the collective facepalm slap of seventh grade science students all over the planet.
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I find it annoying that Haig, when pressed for a specific answer to a specific question, vanishes from the thread to be replaced by Sol88 gibbering on about utterly different things. I was so hoping the EW proponents would be capable of forming a cogent response to what seems a simple but important question.
Maybe that's the cogent response. Salespeople have to sell whatever they have to sell. Sales would be easy if they had always fine goods to offer.

Besides, nobody here wants the electric comet theory to be utterly disproved. The debate is what keeps the fun coming.
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Just for the record, SOL88 believes his eyes and see's solid rock and NO ice.
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Just for the record, that makes Sol88 continuing to be very ignorant, Sol88 .
There is no way from just looking at an image of a comet what a comet is made of.
* You need to know enough to not blindly deny the existing valid science that shows that the density of comets is ~0.6 g/cc.
* You need to know that the measured density of 67P is 0.4 g/cc.
* You have to know that Philae landed in dust and so that image you are looking at is mostly dust (maybe some non-dusty surfaces on cliffs but not guaranteed on a comet with its low gravity).
* You have to know that images of objects are not images of the interiors of objects!
Also you have to be smart enough not to trust the delusions about comets on a crank web site that is lying to you. The Thunderbolts team lied about their predictions :doh:!
EC proponents trust a web site that lies to its readers about "confirmed" predictions: The lies, failures and successes of Thunderbolts Deep Impact predictions.
If you are not smart enough to see that you are being lied to in print then how can you believe your eyes?

You are lying about the "mainstream are the ones in trouble with the density measurements". The Thunderbolts prediction for comets is ~3.0 g/cc (solid rock). The measured density of 67P is 0.4 g/cc. It is the Thunderbolts team who are beyond in trouble.

There is no measurement of densities in your citation but there is:
Rosetta Spacecraft, First to Orbit Comet, Finds Surprises Aplenty
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• Most of the water vapor coming from ice below 67P's surface came initially from the comet's "neck."
You are wrong about Philae bouncing off a hard surface - Philae bounced of a dusty surface that was harder than expected. This surface was easily penetrated by MUPUS - it is not "hard". It is not rock!
Philae settles in dust-covered ice

The mission planners were clever !
It is a marvelous technical achievement to put a spacecraft in orbit around a comet !
It is a marvelous technical achievement that only 2 (harpoons and ice screws) of lots of 20 year old technology failed after 20 years in space and then being activated around a comet !

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Your problem to work out your maths error in the "measured" density.
Actually, Sol88: Your problem is making up fairy stories about math errors in the measured density of comets including 67P.

Our problem was expecting you to learn how comet densities are measured after 5 and a half years (from 6th July 2009) of denying basic science in preference for the ignorance, lies and delusions on a web site and in videos.
This no longer an expectation (at least from me) .

The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site and videos
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A while back Haig asserted that at the 1950 publication of Immanuel Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision (the inspiration for that the Electric Universe and thus Electric Comet):
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Mainstream at that time denied Electromagnetism in Space or ANY need for it
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I've got loads of papers exploring cosmic electrical phenomena prior to the publication of Worlds in Collision in 1950, so your statement is demonstrably false. The big jump in the study of electrical phenomena in space was the advent of space flight even with the early high-altitude sub-orbital launches like Aerobee and Viking, also building up in the 1950s, where we could finally do actual measurements of particles and fields in space.
This has been expanded on his blog: The Real Electric Universe: Inspired by Velikovsky?
To which the answer is a resounding no!

Haig seems to have never cited a published scientific paper in a peer review journal that cites Velikovsky. The only possibility that I have seen is the Jurgen paper(s) which however were published in Velikovsky's vanity journal.

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Somebody has never cared to go someplace where snow and ice drifts and melts, they are just trolling

these pictures are all proof of EDM on glaciers
http://www.earthisland.org/journal/i...of_california/
I happen to live in what appears to be EDM scars on Earth, so that trumps your I've never seen snow and ice drifts statement, hand down!



I've been to the Alps and yes ice is very hard but the backend of my ice skates would quite easily take a large divet out of the ice with minimal force.

This is why the MUPUS finding makes no sense. They were expecting ice, so designed the penetrator to go into/thru ice and not rock...like they found.

YOU Dancing David have never sat meditating in a waterhole in this ancient landscape and wondered how on earth erosion and tectonic/volcanic action ever made these structures, then we see them on nearly all rocky airless bodies in our solar system including comets.

So another force needs to be invoked and that me 'ol mate is electrical in nature...

I can show you plenty more examples of discharge etching here in the Kimberleys but if want to play in ice THAT is in short supply here.
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And to boot the local Aboriginal population have creation stories on how the landscape was formed, the Wandjina fought battles and when they were done...this is what you see!

They very much look like a magnetosphere in glow mode with an axial discharge!



link



Timings about right for the start of the Wandjina and the end of some advanced civilizations...just sayn!

That's why the ELECTRIC UNIVERSE theory trumps mainstream, the EU take all the evidence in including our ancestors and their stories!

Mainstream just make theirs up as they go along...to their detriment the EU is interdisciplinary.
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Pointing at petroglyphs "looks like a bunny" and never a direct answer to a direct question.
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And to boot the local Aboriginal population have creation stories on how the landscape was formed, the Wandjina fought battles and when they were done...this is what you see!

They very much look like a magnetosphere in glow mode with an axial discharge!

https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/wp-...upiter_mag.jpg

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http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/3589344.jpg

Timings about right for the start of the Wandjina and the end of some advanced civilizations...just sayn!

That's why the ELECTRIC UNIVERSE theory trumps mainstream, the EU take all the evidence in including our ancestors and their stories!

Mainstream just make theirs up as they go along...to their detriment the EU is interdisciplinary.
The ancients could see this with the naked eyes I believe? Then why don't we see images like this anymore?
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And to boot the local Aboriginal population have creation stories on how the landscape was formed, the Wandjina fought battles and when they were done...this is what you see!

They very much look like a magnetosphere in glow mode with an axial discharge!



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Timings about right for the start of the Wandjina and the end of some advanced civilizations...just sayn!

That's why the ELECTRIC UNIVERSE theory trumps mainstream, the EU take all the evidence in including our ancestors and their stories!

Mainstream just make theirs up as they go along...to their detriment the EU is interdisciplinary.
Sorry Sol, Erich von Däniken already cornered that market.
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Old 6th March 2015, 05:19 AM   #147
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Ummmm....you're wrong sport!

Where on earth ya get that idea??


Sometimes u mob just make stuff up and tell little porkies pies!
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Where on earth ya get that idea??
From your proclivity to the picturesque and the permanent lack of the hypothesis-thesis-demonstration structure in your texts. Your epistemology was described by Däniken in a book called in Spanish "the answer of the gods" -I can't match its original and English titles-: a lot of little pieces shaped into evidence may be debunked one by one, but the overwhelming number of them is proof they are true.

Plus so much of it remitting to early stages in psychological development of humans: a projective identification, like your "Sometimes u mob just make stuff up and tell little porkies pies! "

Basically, you and your alter_ego/partner (delete as appropriate) take one element after another and assign them value as a hint or sign by arbitrary means, to later evade any further in-depth analysis and move quickly to the next element in the row to play with. That's why your whole posting history looks like playing hotspotch, the same what happens with bigfeet discoverers, 911 truthers and other interesting subjects.
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Timings about right for the start of the Wandjina and the end of some advanced civilizations...just sayn!

That's why the ELECTRIC UNIVERSE theory trumps mainstream, the EU take all the evidence in including our ancestors and their stories!

Mainstream just make theirs up as they go along...to their detriment the EU is interdisciplinary.
You went full Velikovsky. You never go full Velikovsky.

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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
Basically, you and your alter_ego/partner (delete as appropriate) take one element after another and assign them value as a hint or sign by arbitrary means, to later evade any further in-depth analysis and move quickly to the next element in the row to play with.

That's right, it's just a constant Gish Gallop with them. Keep the focus on nits and details, and don't linger on one too long lest someone ask a telling question; if they do then change the subject.

Other tactics seem to include:

-avoid mathematics at all costs
The Thunderbolts site has entire pages devoted to the proposition that you can do serious astrophysics without math. This is founded upon the fundamentally dishonest assertion that all the comet sciece to date is wrong so there's no need for math when you're starting from scratch with observation, i.e. their pareidolia. Of course, measurement and the associated math is the last thing they want to discuss since it's objective and would quickly expose the fact that they have no theory
-avoid quantitative predictions at all costs
Not hard to do when you don't have a real model based on math. Ech proponents make predictions but you'll never see one that includes a number with associated units.
-when needed, play the conspiracy card
When pressed on your lack of peer-reviewed ech publications, pretend your ideas are suppressed by the evil scientific establishment. Those scientists are selfishly trying to protect their highly lucrative academiic jobs When you can get away with it, imply or even state that scientists are incompetent, which amounts to an accusation of conspiracy to commit fraud by wasting public money.
Sol, I challenge you to present a serious ech model, with associated math, or please request this thread be moved out of this science subforum.

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And to boot the local Aboriginal population have creation stories on how the landscape was formed
Wow, You and your echo chamber mates have managed to equate two blobs with a stick to look somehow like a toroid cross-section, with no causal link whatsoever. That you would believe it is proof of anything beyond spotting bunnies in clouds is mind-boggling. I would invoke Poe's rule however I am by no means a mind reader, so really all I can do is say:

You've got nothing.

...and laugh at the human condition that could produce a collective that could deliver such a mockery of real scientific and archeological discovery.

In the meantime, you got any evidence of a hard, conclusive nature that establishes ECH validity? No? Didn't think so.
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Wow, You and your echo chamber mates have managed to equate two blobs with a stick to look somehow like a toroid cross-section, with no causal link whatsoever.
You're giving it more credit than it's due. They've concluded that ancient drawings of two symmetric blobs around a stick look exactly like a conceptual diagram of a phenomenon that a) was wildly asymmetric, b) doesn't have a stick, and c) if actually viewed, wouldn't look like the diagram.

It's about as compelling as concluding that a rounded stone, found at an ancient campsite, proves that neanderthals foresaw the eventual popularity of the Volkswagen Beetle.
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Originally Posted by ferd burfle View Post
That's right, it's just a constant Gish Gallop with them. Keep the focus on nits and details, and don't linger on one too long lest someone ask a telling question; if they do then change the subject.

Other tactics seem to include:

-avoid mathematics at all costs
The Thunderbolts site has entire pages devoted to the proposition that you can do serious astrophysics without math. This is founded upon the fundamentally dishonest assertion that all the comet sciece to date is wrong so there's no need for math when you're starting from scratch with observation, i.e. their pareidolia. Of course, measurement and the associated math is the last thing they want to discuss since it's objective and would quickly expose the fact that they have no theory
-avoid quantitative predictions at all costs
Not hard to do when you don't have a real model based on math. Ech proponents make predictions but you'll never see one that includes a number with associated units.
-when needed, play the conspiracy card
When pressed on your lack of peer-reviewed ech publications, pretend your ideas are suppressed by the evil scientific establishment. Those scientists are selfishly trying to protect their highly lucrative academiic jobs When you can get away with it, imply or even state that scientists are incompetent, which amounts to an accusation of conspiracy to commit fraud by wasting public money.
Sol, I challenge you to present a serious ech model, with associated math, or please request this thread be moved out of this science subforum.

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What you described is perfect and we must find the way within the fora to perfect and further develop such texts. Sort of a wiki within the fora. But we'd need to face the possibility of the pets wandering away. Are we prepared to perform that task and pay that price? I would, because for me it's paramount to this kind of fora to explain how these people operate, but I always felt a bit alone doing that.
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Originally Posted by Talbott
a sublimating "dirty snowball". (A chunk of ice melting in the Sun loses its sharp relief, just like a scoop of melting ice cream.)
I surely hope that Mr. Talbott knows the difference between melting and sublimating ice (but I surely doubt it, thinking back the the "discussions" a while ago).
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The problem is these fora liking that kind of people. We embrace these people, we protect these people. We'd be at each others throats if it weren't for these people. They are our intellectual pets; they're punctually here playing variations of the same song for us to patronize them. They're our guilty pleasure. In other fora they are forced to justify their assertions or take them back before moving to a different point. That's why they leave those fora and flock in here -a bit less now as the Randi sign is no more-.

What you described is perfect and we must find the way within the fora to perfect and further develop such texts. Sort of a wiki within the fora. But we'd need to face the possibility of the pets wandering away. Are we prepared to perform that task and pay that price? I would, because for me it's paramount to this kind of fora to explain how these people operate, but I always felt a bit alone doing that.
Very eloquent

but since we are only being drip fed ANYTHING to do with 67P and really we only have images to speculate over, what aleCcowaN, would you speculate in this image.





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What would you speculate the white spots as being?
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Very eloquent

but since we are only being drip fed ANYTHING to do with 67P and really we only have images to speculate over, what aleCcowaN, would you speculate in this image.

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What would you speculate the white spots as being?
Oh, thanks Xulu! I was afraid you have accidentally multiplied yourself by your real knowledge on the subject!

Well, I wouldn't speculate but dared to do it I'd say ... soap foam and dust ... an alien with rotting teeth watched the probe in a stable position and started to scrub the lenses.
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What would you speculate the white spots as being?
Over exposed pixels.
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Sol88, just curious, why did you rotate that image 180 degrees?
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Fairy dust. Has to be. I don't need a cogent hypothesis as to why. The fact that fairies have never been observed, nor any sensible hypothesis posited as to how they would exist, nor the fact that people who know about these things far better than I do say it is nonsense, will not prevent me from claiming otherwise. Besides, it looks like fairy dust (even if fairy dust has never been seen before).
QED.
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What would you speculate the white spots as being?
Salt patches. They're faking space missions in the Arizona desert again just like they good old days.

See what did there? I made stuff up. Just like you do. I have exactly as much information as you (1 random photo) and the exact same analysis tools - a monitor, my eyes, and a preconceived notion set.

In other words, you are doing the exact opposite of science. Your conclusion will by just as valid as mine. You might as well be circling random shadows and labeling them "alien base" and "landing pad."

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