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Old 8th March 2015, 09:08 AM   #161
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Originally Posted by phunk View Post
Sol88, just curious, why did you rotate that image 180 degrees?
Hi phunk, go 2 pages back, there you can find that the EC is the concave/convex illusion, thus the rotation of the image.
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Old 8th March 2015, 01:10 PM   #162
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I happen to live in what appears to be EDM scars on Earth, ...
Sorry, Sol88, but ignorance about basic geology just emphasizes that you are wrong about astronomical images.

Arguments from ignorance/incredulity are not science, Sol88.

In the real world the MUPUS results make sense. They were expecting ices and dust in comets. So they designed MUPUS for the types of ices and duct they expected in comets. We had a wonderful surprise - 67P has a layer of ices and dust that was not expected. This will lead to actual science to determine why that layer is tougher than expected.

In the real world it is delusional to think that comets are solid rock that MUPUS should have been designed for.

In the real world " discharge etching here in the Kimberleys" is a delusion.
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And to boot the local Aboriginal population....
would recognize the stupidity of comparing what looks like an artists impression of imaginary stuff in the sky to their rock art, Sol88 !
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... we only have images to speculate over, what aleCcowaN, would you speculate in this image...
aleCcowaN does not have to speculate on an unattributed image, Sol88.
It as if you are not brave enough to show us what scientists who have the knowledge to analyze the image have said about the image

Anyone with eyes will know that the "white spots" are relatively bright areas in the image. Anyone who knows anything about 67P and is not in total denial of science will say that this is reflection from the dusty surface of 67P. So what would make dust vary in brightness? The obvious answer is more ices in the dust particles. This is supported by the spots looking to be mostly within pits or otherwise sheltered - less sublimation of ices from the surface.

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Obviously!!! It can be nothing else


Thanks for a least having a crack at it RC!

I think Capatain Swoop was on the correct track with
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Over exposed pixels.
What caused the over exposure I wonder?
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What caused the over exposure I wonder?
Most likely a long shutter time of the camera.
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Old 9th March 2015, 06:22 AM   #167
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Obviously!!! It can be nothing else


Thanks for a least having a crack at it RC!

I think Capatain Swoop was on the correct track with

What caused the over exposure I wonder?
Albedo in small areas of the image exceed the exposure contrast ratio latitude of the image system at the camera settings used and/or exceed the contrast ratio latitude of image compression algorithms and/or exceed the contrast ratio latitude of your image display system.
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Old 9th March 2015, 06:56 AM   #168
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I would be hesitant to speculate on what specific chemical or physical effects or processes are present in those localized high albedo areas based exclusively on one image which you present in an altered form from the source (and without telling us).
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Old 9th March 2015, 07:03 AM   #169
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Obviously!!! It can be nothing else


Thanks for a least having a crack at it RC!

I think Capatain Swoop was on the correct track with

What caused the over exposure I wonder?
Exactly the same thing that causes over exposure on any photograph.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Exactly the same thing that causes over exposure on any photograph.
but maybe if you rotate it by 180 degrees it will be under-exposed!!!!
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Obviously!!! It can be nothing else
That is correct, Sol88 - to anyone with the brains enough to understand basic physics the answer is obvious!!!! An image of a comet made up of ices and dust can only be of ices and dust !
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That is correct, Sol88 - to anyone with the brains enough to understand basic physics the answer is obvious!!!! An image of a comet made up of ices and dust can only be of ices and dust !
That must be some interesting image.
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That must be some interesting image.
Ice sculptures.
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Old 10th March 2015, 10:44 PM   #174
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Looks a little like you'd expect EDM too look like! Etching away at the rock in circular scalloped depressions
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Old 10th March 2015, 11:03 PM   #175
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Looks a little like you'd expect EDM too look like! Etching away at the rock in circular scalloped depressions
Tell us, what exact experiments has the EC / EU group done to actually show that electrical discharges would etch rock at all? And what Amperage/Voltage/Time is needed to achieve this? Because everything known by mainstream science about electricity, backed up by a LOT of experimental evidence, would suggest this would not happen.
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Tell us, what exact experiments has the EC / EU group done to actually show that electrical discharges would etch rock at all? And what Amperage/Voltage/Time is needed to achieve this? Because everything known by mainstream science about electricity, backed up by a LOT of experimental evidence, would suggest this would not happen.
Experiments?
Pah!

EU people can imagine it working the way they want!
What more does anyone need?
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To me it looks a lot like it was nibbled by a giant Space Goat.
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Looks a little like you'd expect EDM too look like! Etching away at the rock in circular scalloped depressions
You'd expect? would? could? should? Where does that expectation come from, other than fantasy?

C'mon! Even Velikovsky tried much harder!
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Looks a little like you'd expect EDM too look like! Etching away at the rock in circular scalloped depressions
Congrats. Now it's your turn to ignore the direct questions I asked haig: what specific features are specifically and exclusively characteristic of electrical activity.

What specific characteristic features of sublimation erosion would be present that are not?

And the special bonus question just for sol8&:
How do we know If a terrain feature is a protuberance of depression?
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This thread gives me depression!
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This thread gives me depression!
Don't be a protuberance about it. I find it electrifying. Letting the sun shine on this subject is truly sublime.
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This thread gives me depression!
Surely not by its non-educational nature.

By its own rules and history, the whole forum is set to keep naive epistemological hedonists at bay without fighting epistemological hedonism at all, and this "thread" (4200 posts) is one of the most outstanding examples of it.
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To me it looks a lot like it was nibbled by a giant Space Goat.
Oh, I like that idea.
Do you happen to have a you tube vid putting forth this interesting theory?
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Tell us, what exact experiments has the EC / EU group done to actually show that electrical discharges would etch rock at all? And what Amperage/Voltage/Time is needed to achieve this? Because everything known by mainstream science about electricity, backed up by a LOT of experimental evidence, would suggest this would not happen.
The proof is that David Talbot thinks so....
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Looks a little like you'd expect EDM too look like! Etching away at the rock in circular scalloped depressions
Looks very little like I'd expect EDM to look. I'd expect to EDMs to appear as points rather than areas. And I'd expect those brilliant arcs to illuminate the nearby territory in a way that is conspicuously absent in the picture.
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Looks a little like you'd expect EDM too look like! Etching away at the rock in circular scalloped depressions

The whole EDM idea is preposterous. EDM is a method of machining metals, not rocks. A power supply capable of generating a specialized waveform is required.

But fear not, kind readers, the proponents of the Magical Magnetic Comet Story are bound to have another hand-waving "explanation" at the ready.
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Looks a little like you'd expect EDM too look like! ...
Looks more like what a person ignorant or deluded enough to think that comets are rocks and about EDM would fantasize surfaces from Electrical Discharge Machining to look like.


Actual Electrical Discharge Machining surface images do not look like 67P comet images - no big cliffs for example. Of course if you go looking for them you find plenty of the Thunderbolts delusions about EDM.


In the real universe, Electrical Discharge Machining cannot happen on comets - no electrical discharges especially thorough a dielectric liquid!
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Looks very little like I'd expect EDM to look. I'd expect to EDMs to appear as points rather than areas. And I'd expect those brilliant arcs to illuminate the nearby territory in a way that is conspicuously absent in the picture.

Seems the "jets" also like this area!
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Seems the "jets" also like this area!
Good for them. Gotta be better than sharing with the Giants.
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Seems the "jets" also like this area!
What "jets" in what area, Sol88?
What has this to do with the delusion of EDM on a comet, Sol88?

The real jets actually "like" the neck of 67P since that is where they started.

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Ummmm....those would be the "jets" that seem to emanate from all over the comet and these ones from the Imhotep region HERE and HERE seem to come from this area overall.

The jets seem to issue from a diffuse bright dusty areas but no pits,fissures or pressurized orifices to be seen.
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I bet you would do much better reading tea leaves.
I bet he would declare them to be coffee grounds.
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Ummmm....those would be the "jets" that seem to emanate from all over the comet and these ones from the Imhotep region HERE and HERE seem to come from this area overall.

The jets seem to issue from a diffuse bright dusty areas but no pits,fissures or pressurized orifices to be seen.
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I bet you would do much better reading tea leaves.
No, tried that!

All I could see was sublimating deep fried ice cream!

All the monies now on sublimating SUB surface ice!

Just need to find the subsurface ice (or any for that matter) and the matter is settled , so why is it so hard to find?
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Ummmm....those would be the "jets" that seem to emanate from all over the comet and these ones from the Imhotep region HERE and HERE seem to come from this area overall.

The jets seem to issue from a diffuse bright dusty areas but no pits,fissures or pressurized orifices to be seen.
You mean all over the comet including the neck as strictly forbidden by the electric comet delusion, Sol88?

You link to images from a long distance from 67P and expect to see jets to always come out of visible pits !
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No, tried that!

All I could see was sublimating deep fried ice cream!

All the monies now on sublimating SUB surface ice!

Just need to find the subsurface ice (or any for that matter) and the matter is settled , so why is it so hard to find?


Rectocranial inversion and lack of relevant academic experience can lower reading comprehension. Scientists actually doing science don't seem to be having any problems. Just sayin'.
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Here are "jet-like features" visibly coming from a pit, Sol88 !
From the pit??? or from the overexposed pit rim??

If you notice the other "bright" ridge just to the middle right of the image, there too is a jet.

Are you Reality Check saying here is the evidence for a geological feature on comet 67P to produce a collimated jet?

Seems as a matter of observation including rectocranial inversion techniques and extreme lack of relevant academic experience, makes my minds eye keeps seeing "bright" patches of higher albedo surface in very close association with levitating dust and jets!

like Hartley 2 and Tempel 1

just say'n
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Just need to find the subsurface ice (or any for that matter) and the matter is settled , so why is it so hard to find?
Maybe because subsurface ice is like below the surface?
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Old 12th March 2015, 11:23 PM   #200
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
... my minds eye keeps seeing "bright" patches of higher albedo surface in very close association with levitating dust and jets!
If you are really sure that the jets become from EDM than your "bright patches of higher albedo" are NOT "higher albedo" (which means reflectivity) but are places where EDM is happening so light would be produced there not reflected. If you have an idiot theory, at least try to keep it a little consistent.
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