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Old 12th March 2019, 05:52 PM   #2361
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Not really, you see I have explained the math in detail previously:

totalitarian + atheism = anti-religious human rights violations. by the way, do not think that the true believer anti-religionists don't routinely bring up the inquisition, regularly as part of their pogroms.

Again, while I find the whataboutism as fascinating as y'all probably do, right here in this thread we are talking about Xi, unyielding marxist atheists and real ongoing human rights violations.

Anything about that, TBD asked expectantly knowing the answer already
So Atheistic beliefs don't necessarily lead to genocide etc. Thanks for the admission. Now you can stop tarring all Atheists with that brush.

And if we are talking about Chinese Human Rights violations involving religious freedom why are you accusing people here of admiring criminal sadists like Stalin and Mao. Oh and I find the idea that the current Chinese regime is "unyielding Marxist atheists" to be hilarious. They aren't very Marxist for one thing. They are mainly interested in staying in power and have largely and in my opinion close to entirely Marxism. And of course you forget, conveniently, that not every sect, religion etc., is in fact persecuted in China. It persecutes those regarded has threats to the rule of the party. Those that are not regarded has threats are generally tolerated. If you want really ruthless religious persecution across the board you have to go to Stalin's Russia and Mao's China among many. Or lets say Catholic Italy during the Reformation period.

And of course one can easily argue and show that given history an Totalitarian regime with a religious ideology would equal brutal oppression and certainly religious persecution of those not of the "correct" faith.

And as per usual you missed the point. I said it was crap that to say Christianity inevitably leads to the inquisition. However if you add authoritarianism to the mix you will all too likely get an inquisition.

I do hope you know what a pogrom actually is.

It is you who derailed this discussion by smearing Atheists in general has potential Religious persecutors.
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Old 12th March 2019, 06:11 PM   #2362
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So Atheistic beliefs don't necessarily lead to genocide etc. Thanks for the admission. Now you can stop tarring all Atheists with that brush..
So.... oh baby that is the good stuff.

You see I did not say that, now did I? Actually I believe that giving atheists power leads to anti-religious abuses.

By the way? You are repeating arguments I destroyed months ago.

I am afraid I am going to have to insist you read the thread first! You are in for a world of learning!

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Old 12th March 2019, 06:58 PM   #2363
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So Atheistic beliefs don't necessarily lead to genocide etc. Thanks for the admission. Now you can stop tarring all Atheists with that brush..
So.... oh baby that is the good stuff.

You see I did not say that, now did I? Actually I believe that giving atheists power leads to anti-religious abuses.

By the way? You are repeating arguments I destroyed months ago.

I am afraid I am going to have to insist you read the thread first! You are in for a world of learning!
Yawn. God your pathetic. So you do think that Atheistic beliefs lead to genocide etc. You do realize that the etc., includes all sorts of human rights abuses. And you have no trouble tarring Atheists in general it seems. So I guess you did say that didn't you.

I have read this thread and no you didn't destroy any arguments and learning from someone like you who is so obviously un-knowing of so much is not likely to happen.

So you believe that giving Atheists power leads to anti-religious abuses? Is this all the time true of all Atheists? So once again your tarring. Really? A certain Australian Prime Minister among many will disagree with you.

Since all you have is agit-prop and trolling, why don't you at least join Amnesty International and write letters, like I have, on behalf of Uigher victims of religious persecution in China. It's certainly better than just trolling people on the web.
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Old 12th March 2019, 07:14 PM   #2364
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Yawn. God your pathetic. So you do think that Atheistic beliefs lead to genocide etc. You do realize that the etc., includes all sorts of human rights abuses. And you have no trouble tarring Atheists in general it seems. So I guess you did say that didn't you.

I have read this thread and no you didn't destroy any arguments and learning from someone like you who is so obviously un-knowing of so much is not likely to happen.

So you believe that giving Atheists power leads to anti-religious abuses? Is this all the time true of all Atheists? So once again your tarring. Really? A certain Australian Prime Minister among many will disagree with you.

Since all you have is agit-prop and trolling, why don't you at least join Amnesty International and write letters, like I have, on behalf of Uigher victims of religious persecution in China. It's certainly better than just trolling people on the web.
Your pathetic what? Oh I get it. English, huh?

I did chuckle at thinking that someone thinks that the Australian prime minister has “power.”

I though you read the thread? If so, you would know what I have done to fight these atheist monsters.

By the way, my comments about atheists are not trolling, I dislike and pity anti-religion atheists

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Old 13th March 2019, 12:41 AM   #2365
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
No, it was because of Stalin and Mao and Pol pot and atheism.

And it is continuing with Xi and atheism.
Excuse me but Truman did not order the bombing of Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Tokyo because he was a Christian. Nor did Suharno kill half a million communists because he was a Muslim. Churchill did not order the bombing of Dresden because he was an alcoholic.

Your claim that the crimes committed by an atheist are because of his atheism is a caricature of comic book. If so, Christianity would be the religion of paedophiles.

A religious crime exists only if it is done in the name of religion and the extermination of the kulaks and Pol Pot's crimes were not done in the name of atheism, but of socialism. Of course I don't think socialism is monstrous either.

As you have been told twenty times and you start over again and again I suppose you are waging a propaganda war or playing provoke. Both things sound pretty ****** in this forum.

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Old 13th March 2019, 01:43 AM   #2366
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Are you quoting Chinese government propaganda as if it was true?

How convenient.

Can you walk us through the process by which you determine which statements by the Chinese government are true, and which are false? Because right now, it looks like you make this decision solely based on whether it suits whatever agrument you happen to be making at the time.
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One more time: please walk us through the process by which you arrived at these contradictory positions.
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Because? You missed the part where you explain why it's more than 'because I say so', or 'because it's convenient for my arguments'.
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Because the claim that it was was made up out of whole cloth by you, not me, and the proponents of that claim have fully failed to support it let alone prove it, while i have directly quoted the entire statement and shown it to be a warning and a threat.

Just think the progress we could make if one were to apply the same standards to one's fellow travelers or one's own positions. It is your claim yet it is entirely based on 'because Cosmic yak says so', or 'because it's convenient for cosmic yak's arguments.

Gotta tell you, when you were typing that out, did you feel the creeping unease of full scale irony and hypocrisy?
Yet more dishonest bilge. To no-one's great surprise.

Fourth time if asking: in what circumstances do you accept official Chinese government statements as true, and in others as false? Simply quoting a statment again does not show why you believe it to be true, and not only have you presented no evidence showing it is true, it has been soundly and emphatically contradicted by evidence from numerous other posters.
(But you knew that already).

I am happy to justify any statement I have made. If you find any apparent contradictions in my arguments, do please point them out and we can talk about them.

How are you getting on with furnishing quotes of mine in which I support the Chinese government, by the way? Did you think I had forgotten your lie, liar?
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Old 13th March 2019, 02:30 AM   #2367
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Your pathetic what? Oh I get it. English, huh?

I did chuckle at thinking that someone thinks that the Australian prime minister has “power.”

I though you read the thread? If so, you would know what I have done to fight these atheist monsters.

By the way, my comments about atheists are not trolling, I dislike and pity anti-religion atheists
Funny. I "pity" delusional theists. AND "dislike" their attempts to impose their ridiculous fantasies on the rest of us.
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Old 13th March 2019, 06:08 AM   #2368
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Excuse me but ....
Excuse me but Stalin, Mao and Xi DID commit atrocities in the name of atheism. I have expertly covered this in this thread.

UNYIELDING.
MARXIST.
ATHEISTS.

deal with it
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Old 13th March 2019, 06:34 AM   #2369
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And they don't care about your opinions not one bit. They have a nation to run as they see fit, with or without your input.

Your drivel only matters to you and whoever "we" is that is also doing absolutely nothing to change things for the Chinese people.

All arrogance and hot air. Boring.
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Old 13th March 2019, 06:48 AM   #2370
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Excuse me but Stalin, Mao and Xi DID commit atrocities in the name of atheism. I have expertly covered this in this thread.

UNYIELDING.
MARXIST.
ATHEISTS.

deal with it
It is no wonder that you are such a big supporter of Trump, since you so often manage to sound exactly like him.
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Old 13th March 2019, 07:29 AM   #2371
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Yet more dishonest bilge. To no-one's great surprise.
I have explained why YOUR CLAIM that it was propaganda was false, and I have shown that several times. Your attempt to shift the burden to me is so transparent it is laughable. Further, I have explained my position, and the fact that you do not understand it or choose to ignore it is your problem, not mine.

By the way, every single time you ignore the facts, like Xi's latest crackdown on religion is driven by the CCP and its adherents DIRECTIVE to be firm marxist atheists, you defend the Chines government.

Looking forward to you typing something like "for the 5th time" because it was false and silly the first time you bailed on proving your claim.
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Old 13th March 2019, 08:16 AM   #2372
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Excuse me but Stalin, Mao and Xi DID commit atrocities in the name of atheism. I have expertly covered this in this thread.

UNYIELDING.
MARXIST.
ATHEISTS.

deal with it
I'm sorry, but that's not true. Their programmes were carried out in the name of the Soviet and Chinese states. They never totally banned belief in gods, but rather the public forms in which that belief was manifested, especially to the "rebellious" or "terrorist" churches. They repressed them in the same way as they attacked any other kind of dissent. As it has been repeatedly told to you, Chinese government has no problem with the activity of the controlled churches. That is not applying an atheistic program, but a dictatorial one.

As far as Marxists, they were as Marxists as they were democrats and lovers of the people. Yet they claimed to be all of that. As you know, dictatorships in Eastern Europe were called democratic, popular and socialist. And they were none of these things. What happens is that your head is full of ultra-conservative slogans and you don't even know what's in front of you. I think that the fanaticism is not a good tool to use against dictatorships. You should reflect on this.

Following this example, I have serious doubts as to whether many countries that call themselves democracies really are. These countries commit crimes against people's rights. However I don't go around shouting that democracy is a monster.

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Old 13th March 2019, 08:33 AM   #2373
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As it has been repeatedly told to you, Chinese government has no problem with the activity of the controlled churches. That is not applying an atheistic program, but a dictatorial one.
This is totally and completely false from beginning to end, I mean how could you have typed the words "controlled churches" in the same sentence with "Chinese government has no problem with"? It is mind boggling.

Further I explained in detail in this thread that the Chinese restrictions regarding religious use of the internet applies to all churches.

The apologetics on behalf of the Chinese Government are mind blowing.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
This is totally and completely false from beginning to end, I mean how could you have typed the words "controlled churches" in the same sentence with "Chinese government has no problem with"? It is mind boggling.

Further I explained in detail in this thread that the Chinese restrictions regarding religious use of the internet applies to all churches.

The apologetics on behalf of the Chinese Government are mind blowing.
In previous comments it was already given the list of "sinized" churches that are even advertised on the internet. Don't be ignorant, man. Teh boss of your church signed an agreement about it. How come you don't know? Your pastor's cheating on you, pibe.

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In previous comments it was already given the list of "sinized" churches that are even advertised on the internet. Don't be ignorant, man.
That did not contradict what I said, why did you write those words?

Oh well, this makes about as much sense as "Chinese government has no problem with the activity of the controlled churches," I mean that is some next level cognitive dissonance right there folks.
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Old 13th March 2019, 09:04 AM   #2376
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That did not contradict what I said, why did you write those words?

Oh well, this makes about as much sense as "Chinese government has no problem with the activity of the controlled churches," I mean that is some next level cognitive dissonance right there folks.
You mean you don't understand English? Don't you know what "controlled" means?

Ask your boss, who doesn't seem to have a problem with that. It seems that the covenant was something like, "I accept the conditions and I can keep telling my Chinese stories about Jesus Christ and little angels". A skillful guy, your boss. And you without knowing it.

By the way, one of your previous bosses (a certain Pacelli) did something similar with the Nazis , who were also terrible atheists, but who shared a common interest: to create good Nazi-Christian soldiers against Communism. And they worked very well, with the help of God and the Führer!

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You mean you don't understand English? Don't you know what "controlled" means?
Yes, you see if they had "no problem" with the Churches, they would not need to control them, you get it?

By the way, I snipped your silly whataboutism that you post in lieu of responding to the fact that the internet restrictions apply to all churches in China.

By the way, lots of Churches have been forced by despotic atheists to cut deals throughout the 20th century. You see atheists with guns and power have a tendency to murder religious people. Like your papa Xi.
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Yes, you see if they had "no problem" with the Churches, they would not need to control them, you get it?

By the way, I snipped your silly whataboutism that you post in lieu of responding to the fact that the internet restrictions apply to all churches in China.

By the way, lots of Churches have been forced by despotic atheists to cut deals throughout the 20th century. You see atheists with guns and power have a tendency to murder religious people. Like your papa Xi.
Vulgar.
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Vulgar.
Not the word I would use, but I can see why you would agree with me and characterize the CCP's conduct as vulgar.
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You see theists with power have a tendency to molest and abuse children.

Perhaps the Chinese are only protecting their most vulnerable from the predation of evil vile child raping Christians.
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Perhaps the Chinese are only protecting their most vulnerable from the predation of evil vile child raping Christians.
Is that why they are putting almost 2 million Muslims in reeducation camps?

protip: your obsession might actually be effective if you were not hypocritically using it to defend some of the worst human rights abusers on the Planet. So? Bummer
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Yes, you see if they had "no problem" with the Churches, they would not need to control them, you get it?

By the way, I snipped your silly whataboutism that you post in lieu of responding to the fact that the internet restrictions apply to all churches in China.

By the way, lots of Churches have been forced by despotic atheists to cut deals throughout the 20th century. You see atheists with guns and power have a tendency to murder religious people. Like your papa Xi.
Tune your intellect, dear. It was not whataboutism but if you use a criterion to define "armed atheism" (a new jewel!) you will have to apply it to "pedophile Christianity".

Is this Xi you are talking about a potato? I didn't know.

On the other hand, Pacelli, a friend of the Nazis, and Francisco, a friend of the Chinese dictatorship, are your bosses. You will know why you signed up for their monsturous organization.
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I have explained why YOUR CLAIM that it was propaganda was false, and I have shown that several times. Your attempt to shift the burden to me is so transparent it is laughable. Further, I have explained my position, and the fact that you do not understand it or choose to ignore it is your problem, not mine.
Lies.

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By the way, every single time you ignore the facts, like Xi's latest crackdown on religion is driven by the CCP and its adherents DIRECTIVE to be firm marxist atheists, you defend the Chines government.
Bilge.

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Looking forward to you typing something like "for the 5th time" because it was false and silly the first time you bailed on proving your claim.
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Tune your intellect, dear. It was not whataboutism but if you use a criterion to define "armed atheism" (a new jewel!)
Oh dear, has critical thinking slipped so far? First of all I did not use the phrase "armed atheism". Second, the fact that you appear to be unaware that your heroes including Stalin and Xi enforce their monstrous atheist policies at bayonet point or the muzzle of a tank. Finally, one does not have to compare unrelated things, and certainly does not falsify my expert analysis of the brutality of unyielding marxist atheists

By the way, in your defense of human rights abuses in China you are actually doing what you falsely accused me of doing.

Oh, and ignoring all those Muslims. Anything to defend the CCP.
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Oh dear, has critical thinking slipped so far? First of all I did not use the phrase "armed atheism". Second, the fact that you appear to be unaware that your heroes including Stalin and Xi enforce their monstrous atheist policies at bayonet point or the muzzle of a tank. Finally, one does not have to compare unrelated things, and certainly does not falsify my expert analysis of the brutality of unyielding marxist atheists

By the way, in your defense of human rights abuses in China you are actually doing what you falsely accused me of doing.

Oh, and ignoring all those Muslims. Anything to defend the CCP.
You haven't hint a single one. I do not support the Chinese regime or Stalin (I have already shown it in this forum on several occasions). But I don't know what "police atheist" or "marxist atheists" you mean. I don't think you know what you're talking about, so I don't see you as an "expert" on the subject. You repeat a few headstrong slogans and nothing else. On the other hand, you do support Nazism and Communism, since you belong to an organization that has made a pact with them.

You're right you didn't say "armed atheists," but "atheists with weapons". As anyone can see are very different things. Aren't they?

Ah, the Muslims of Iran are atheists? I didn't know that.
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You haven't hint a single one. I do not support the Chinese regime or Stalin (I have already shown it in this forum on several occasions). But I don't know what "police atheist" or "marxist atheists" you mean. I don't think you know what you're talking about, so I don't see you as an "expert" on the subject. You repeat a few headstrong slogans and nothing else. On the other hand, you do support Nazism and Communism, since you belong to an organization that has made a pact with them.

You're right you didn't say "armed atheists," but "atheists with weapons". As anyone can see are very different things. Aren't they?

Ah, the Muslims of Iran are atheists? I didn't know that.
That is as disingenuous a post as one as ever likely to see, every word and fictitious and desperate to avoid engaging in discussion of the actual subject, and ignoring things like the fact that groups are sometimes obligated to cut a deal with monstrous atheists in order to avoid a greater harm, it is really quite remarkable the twists and turns to which our correspondents will descend. I never said "police atheists" or "armed atheists" but our correspondent is attempting to seduce you with siren songs of pure fiction, anything to avoid the actual monstrous human rights abuses going on right now in China.

Another example: "Ah, the Muslims of Iran are atheists? I didn't know that." What a ridiculous statement, what pure nonsense, what an insult to your intelligence gentle readers.

As discussed innumerable times in this thread the CCP is the Chinese Communist Party, who were told this:

Quote:
“Party members should not have religious beliefs, which is a red line for all members. … they are not allowed to seek value and belief in religion,” reported China’s Global Times.

He added, “Party members should be firm Marxist atheists, obey party rules and stick to the party’s faith. They are not allowed to seek value and belief in religion. … Officials who have religious faith should be persuaded to give it up, and those who resist would be punished by the party organization.” His comments were published in the party magazine Qiuishi Journal, impacting nearly 90 million Chinese citizens in the Communist Party.
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Old 14th March 2019, 08:39 AM   #2387
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That is as disingenuous a post as one as ever likely to see, every word and fictitious and desperate to avoid engaging in discussion of the actual subjec(...)

Another example: "Ah, the Muslims of Iran are atheists? I didn't know that." What a ridiculous statement, what pure nonsense, what an insult to your intelligence gentle readers.
You have a bad memory. It's been a while since I refuted your slogans along with many others in this forum. As I see that you are not serious or that you are not able to speak seriously (I do not know which of the two things), now I take you less seriously and I make ironies that you take seriously.
Everything you write has been repeated a thousand times in the same way. How do you want someone to take you seriously?

I also see no objection to a party being defined as atheist, Christian or Muslim. Or are you against Christian Democracy? Because those were yours. Mixed with the mafia, but Christian to the eyebrows. They are two things that are not separate. Did you know that the maffiosi boss Bernardo Provenzano was a convinced Catholic who sent notes to his henchmen hidden in pages of the Bible? You know, you're affiliated with a mafia organization. Aren't you ashamed?

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The unyielding marxist atheists are spreading their human rights abuses, both nationally and Internationally:

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China’s crackdown has also begun to extend beyond its borders. On Sunday, Kazakh police arrested an activist who has publicised the camps, seizing emotional testimonials he has collected from former inmates. Shortly after his arrest, Serikjan Bilash appeared in a video where he said he faces charges of “inciting hatred”, and denied being arrested “by either the Chinese or Chinese spies”.
https://www.ft.com/content/f99536ba-...8-96a37d002cd3

None so fanatical as anti-religious atheist fanatics.
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Fair enough.

I've decided to turn this thread into a cheese tasting. You in?
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China has faced growing international opprobrium for the mass internment camps in Xinjiang, a vast region bordering central Asia that is home to millions of Uighurs and other Muslim ethnic minorities.

Activists say there is a network of mass detention camps there holding more than a million people, part of a crackdown that Beijing says is needed to stem the threat of religious "extremism".

Former inmates have described harsh conditions in which Muslim minorities are subject to political indoctrination and psychological torture.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...070439477.html
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The US Fires back at the Unyielding Marxist Atheists' egregious human rights abuses in China:

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Adrian Zenz, an independent researcher who focuses on China’s ethnic policy, says China is interning ethnic minorities, separating families and sending children to state-run orphanages to maintain ideological control over them.

“All-in-all the Chinese State’s present attempt to eradicate independent and free expressions of distinct ethnic and religious identities in Xinjiang is nothing less than a systematic campaign of cultural genocide and should be treated as such,” said Zenz.
Cultural and religious Genocide
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The US Fires back at the Unyielding Marxist Atheists' egregious human rights abuses in China:



Cultural and religious Genocide
You do realise that atheism isn't an ideology, right? It's the ideology the state has in China that's the problem, and they view religion as a rival.
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Old 14th March 2019, 09:56 AM   #2392
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#China is arbitrarily detaining more than 1 million individuals -- Muslim minorities, #Uighurs, ethnic Kazakhs, Kyrgyz & others -- under horrific conditions in #Xinjiang internment camps. We should all be alarmed.
Tweet from US Mission Geneva

https://twitter.com/usmissiongeneva/...63932072341507

We should indeed.
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China’s Muslims Brace for Attacks

First, it was the Uighurs. Now, other Muslim minorities are being threatened—and the worst may be yet to come.


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“I’m a Hui person,” he said, referring to China’s largest Muslim minority group. “And among the community in China, they are very afraid that they will be next, after the Uighur. There are already ‘anti-halal’ groups attacking us and breaking the windows of our restaurants. What do you think will happen?”
Sounds like the Atheists in China are gearing up for their own Night of the Broken Glass.

We should all be alarmed
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POMPEO: “Today, more than one million Uighurs, ethnic Kazakhs, and other Muslims are interned in re-education camps designed to erase their religious and ethnic identities,” @SecPompeo said about China in his briefing of the 2018 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices
https://twitter.com/FaceTheNation/st...76304535212035

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Really important piece about how the firm and unyielding Marxist atheists are using their clout to silence critics

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HONG KONG — For six days a week, every week, in a crowded office in Kazakhstan’s largest city, Serikzhan Bilash had been ringmaster of one of the most influential efforts detailing China’s internment of Muslim minorities.

Clad in a suit and tie, he would bounce from room to room, consoling distraught relatives of people held in Chinese indoctrination camps in the region of Xinjiang and arranging supplies and housing for those who had recently arrived in Kazakhstan from China. He would also record hours and hours of videos describing the extent of China’s crackdown — speaking in English, Chinese and Kazakh.

This week, however, Mr. Bilash went uncharacteristically quiet.

The police detained him early Sunday in Almaty, the city in southeastern Kazakhstan where his organization is, and flew him to the capital, Astana, where he was placed under house arrest.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/w...g-muslims.html

Everyone, especially atheists should be alarmed at what China is doing.
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Really important piece about how the firm and unyielding Marxist atheists are using their clout to silence critics



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/w...g-muslims.html

Everyone, especially atheists should be alarmed at what China is doing.
One really has to wonder for whom you're posting all this stuff, knowing that no one here will buy your dishonest attempts to smear atheists this way.


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The U.S. State Department on Wednesday slammed human rights violations in China, saying the sort of abuses it had inflicted on its Muslim minorities had not been seen “since the 1930s.”
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“Rounding up, in some estimations ... in the millions of people, putting them into camps, and torturing them, abusing them, and trying to basically erase their culture and their religion and so on from their DNA. It’s just remarkably awful.”

“It is one of the most serious human rights violations in the world today,” he said.
We should all be alarmed

Keep in mind that in the 1930's we saw the most egregious human rights abuses perpetrated in the name of atheism under atheist monster Stalin.
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Regardless, what the Chinese government is doing is horrible, followed by some other states but the Chinese do it bigger than most
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We should all be alarmed

Keep in mind that in the 1930's we saw the most egregious human rights abuses perpetrated in the name of atheism under atheist monster Stalin.
I wonder if you'd interpret problems in America as a Christian thing.
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GENEVA--A leading researcher on China's ethnic policies said on Wednesday that an estimated 1.5 million Uighurs and other Muslims could be held in so-called re-education centres in Xinjiang region, up from his earlier figure of 1 million.

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At the Geneva event, U.S. ambassador Kelley Currie, of the State Department's office of global criminal justice, was asked about imposing such sanctions on China.

"We are always looking at all of the mechanisms and the tools that we have available to us to identify those who are responsible for serious and gross human rights abuses and to ensure that they don't benefit from opportunities to travel to the United States and that we don't give them access to the U.S. financial system," she told reporters,
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