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Old 12th March 2019, 10:00 AM   #81
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Old 12th March 2019, 12:56 PM   #82
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
If anything, it would be occasional. Fox is still the #1 basic cable network in total viewers for both prime time and total day. Maybe MSNBC won a few time periods in the prime demographic 25-54, or something like that.
From the same source as you linked - use the search function for "basic cable ranker" to see more detailed info.

Basic Cable Top 10 (Prime Time)

Fox News (2,453,000)
MSNBC (2,091,000)
HGTV (1,260,000)



Basic Cable Top 10 (Total Day)

Fox News (1,480,000)
MSNBC (1,246,000)
CNN (812,000)
Out of curiosity, how do they actually measure these numbers?
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The Disney acquisition of Fox Studios becomes final on March 20th.
SO now I can go to see a Fox movie without fear that some of my ticket price will go to support that cesspool knows as Fox News. That is one of ups of the deal.
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
On any major network other then Fox, Carlson would have been out the door by now.
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Old 12th March 2019, 01:28 PM   #86
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On any major network other then Fox, Carlson would have been out the door by now.
Even Breitbart kicked Milo to the curb once he started defending ephebophilia.
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But I was assured Democrats are the anti Semites.
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Old 12th March 2019, 02:51 PM   #88
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Out of curiosity, how do they actually measure these numbers?
In the old days, you actually filled out a paper diary for Nielsen, then they mutiplied the diaries to project audience by demographic and geography. Then they moved to people meters, which is a box on the television. Now, it's a compilation of data from cable / satellite service providers, augmented by some surveying. With "cable" it's a lot easier to measure vs. over-the-air, since the signal goes through company equipment most of the time.

The numbers themselves are average total viewers for any given time during the time period selected. So "total day" is midnight to 11:59 PM.

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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
In the old days, you actually filled out a paper diary for Nielsen, then they mutiplied the diaries to project audience by demographic and geography. Then they moved to people meters, which is a box on the television. Now, it's a compilation of data from cable / satellite service providers, augmented by some surveying. With "cable" it's a lot easier to measure vs. over-the-air, since the signal goes through company equipment most of the time.

The numbers themselves are average total viewers for any given time during the time period selected. So "total day" is midnight to 11:59 PM.
Thought as much.

So if I wanted to push up some viewing numbers without having to have real live viewers connected, how easy might that be? Especially if you own the cable network through which the services run?
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Interesting guest yesterday on Ari Melber's show "The Beat" on MSNBC

Nancy Erika Smith, the attorney representing former Fox News reporter Diana Falzone.

She says that Falzone is under an NDA from Fox news, but she dropped a giant sized hint, that an NDA is trumped by a subpnoena, and she suggested that Congress could subpoena her client, because she can deal the dirt on the Stormy Daniels hush-money.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/attorney...ena-my-client/

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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
In the old days, you actually filled out a paper diary for Nielsen, then they mutiplied the diaries to project audience by demographic and geography. Then they moved to people meters, which is a box on the television. Now, it's a compilation of data from cable / satellite service providers, augmented by some surveying. With "cable" it's a lot easier to measure vs. over-the-air, since the signal goes through company equipment most of the time.

The numbers themselves are average total viewers for any given time during the time period selected. So "total day" is midnight to 11:59 PM.
When did they change to electronic version? Because they asked me back in 2010 to be a Nielsen family, and it was all paper diaries. I ended up not doing it because it was so much paperwork.
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And it wasn't the only one.

Fox News airs altered photos of NY Times reporters
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During a segment in which Fox & Friends co-hosts Steve Doocy and Brian Kilmeade labeled New York Times reporter Jacques Steinberg and editor Steven Reddicliffe "attack dogs," Fox News featured photos of Steinberg and Reddicliffe that appeared to have been digitally altered -- the journalists' teeth had been yellowed, their facial features exaggerated, and portions of Reddicliffe's hair moved further back on his head.
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My goodness, journalistic standards have hit close to rock-bottom on Faux News.
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When did they change to electronic version? Because they asked me back in 2010 to be a Nielsen family, and it was all paper diaries. I ended up not doing it because it was so much paperwork.
I would think now your TV and cable boxes collect and send data on what you watch.

Every place companies can collect data they do and subsequently sell it: Surveillance Capitalism.
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I would think now your TV and cable boxes collect and send data on what you watch.
In other words, it's all via software. So what is to stop a cable company putting on a whole lot of virtual cable boxes to manipulate the counts of their "viewers" and "program watches" in any direction they choose?
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
In other words, it's all via software. So what is to stop a cable company putting on a whole lot of virtual cable boxes to manipulate the counts of their "viewers" and "program watches" in any direction they choose?
Not sure that's profitable, but if there's a way to monetize, it's possible.

What's to stop the Neilsen company from taking kickbacks?
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
So, Fox news has:

- Pirro's bigotry exposed
- Tucker Carlson's misogeny and defense of child sex exposed
- Laura Ingraham has lost sponsorship over the past few years over her attacks of survivors of a Florida school shooting.
- Hannity has been tied (marginally) to Cohen, and spoke at a Trump rally (which of course illustrates that he cannot be considered an unbiased newscaster)
Hannity never was a FOX newscaster, was he? He's on the opinion side of things there.

That's not to say it's reasonable for him to appear at a rally, but it's not as bad as if it was someone like, oh, Judy Woodruff doing the same. (Honestly, had real trouble coming up with the name of a TV anchor there without Googling -- she was the only one I could think of.)
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Not sure that's profitable, but if there's a way to monetize, it's possible.
Advertising pays, bigly. And advertising pull is based on watchers. More watchers = more advertising pull = more revenue. Simples.

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What's to stop the Neilsen company from taking kickbacks?
Neilsen don't get to see the numbers until the cable companies feed it to them. While there may be millions of real-life cable customers, a bit of software pretending to be millions more allegedly watching programs the cable company would like to promote can be easily fed into the system as well. There's tons of "loading" software for putting stress on systems that could be quickly and easily adapted to do this.

But would a cable company do this? Hell yeah, if it accomplished what their megalomaniac boss wanted!
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Advertising pays, bigly. And advertising pull is based on watchers. More watchers = more advertising pull = more revenue. Simples.

Neilsen don't get to see the numbers until the cable companies feed it to them. While there may be millions of real-life cable customers, a bit of software pretending to be millions more allegedly watching programs the cable company would like to promote can be easily fed into the system as well. There's tons of "loading" software for putting stress on systems that could be quickly and easily adapted to do this.

But would a cable company do this? Hell yeah, if it accomplished what their megalomaniac boss wanted!
"Surveillance capitalism" puts another layer in there. Not only are advertisers looking for platforms they might encounter certain customers on, they are also interested in buying data that identifies certain aspects of those individual customers which identifies how to market to them.

IOW: Data mining to design the sales pitch plus finding the platforms to reach those customers.
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The Fox News Presidency

Jesus Christ. Nielsen and the cable companies aren’t faking the ratings. Take that nonsense to the Conspiracy Theory subforum.

This is actually the plot of a bad 80’s movie. Danny DeVito gives the Nielsen households free vacations and the mob sits in their homes watching their horrible show into a ratings blockbuster via controlling the Nielsen people meters.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ratings_Game

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Jesus Christ. Nielsen and the cable companies aren’t faking the ratings. Take that nonsense to the Conspiracy Theory subforum.
Who are you directing this at? I said nothing of the kind or even close.
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
Jesus Christ. Nielsen and the cable companies aren’t faking the ratings. Take that nonsense to the Conspiracy Theory subforum.

This is actually the plot of a bad 80’s movie. Danny DeVito gives the Nielsen households free vacations and the mob sits in their homes watching their horrible show into a ratings blockbuster via controlling the Nielsen people meters.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ratings_Game
Hilarious, I'm sure. And I didn't say Nielsen are doing it. Far from it. No conspiracy; some TV networks seem to get different results in their screens compared to other TV networks yet they work from the same base data. Fox seem to like "adjusting" stuff - see that image of one of their critics they wanted to pillory? A bit of light photoshopping seemed fine. And if they would do that with an image to enhance their propaganda, why not viewer data.

So no reason why the same "adjustments" to their viewer data before it goes outside the walls. Does it? Don't know, but I would not put it past them. In other words, I would not trust the validity of Fox viewer data as far as I could roll it with my left hand.
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You're looking at this from one side only.
Remember the advertisers want to ensure that they are getting value for money, so would be very aware of the potential for shenanigans. And if they ever found out there were, then the network in question can kiss a sizeable chunk of their advertising budget bye-bye.
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Hilarious, I'm sure. And I didn't say Nielsen are doing it. Far from it. No conspiracy; some TV networks seem to get different results in their screens compared to other TV networks yet they work from the same base data. Fox seem to like "adjusting" stuff - see that image of one of their critics they wanted to pillory? A bit of light photoshopping seemed fine. And if they would do that with an image to enhance their propaganda, why not viewer data.

So no reason why the same "adjustments" to their viewer data before it goes outside the walls. Does it? Don't know, but I would not put it past them. In other words, I would not trust the validity of Fox viewer data as far as I could roll it with my left hand.
I really don’t understand what you mean about TV networks “getting different results with their screens.” Maybe you can elaborate, I do have a little knowledge on this subject.



No one here has believed or referenced Fox regarding viewer data. What they say or spin has no bearing on anything. Viewer data is syndicated outside of their control.

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In other words, it's all via software. So what is to stop a cable company putting on a whole lot of virtual cable boxes to manipulate the counts of their "viewers" and "program watches" in any direction they choose?

There is an entire Family Guy episode devoted to that concept and after Peter is able to be a kingmaker TV gets really stupid.
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The white supremacist talking points is a major part of his show, you don't need to unearth audio for that.
That's the main problem here. If he weren't the host of the Tucker Carlson White Power Hour, and he just came out and said "It was a morning shock jock show, everything I said there was a joke in keeping with that format.", I'd shrug my shoulders and be fine with it. I know some wouldn't, and if he loses his job, he'd still be a wealthy guy who could find another one.

But it wasn't a decade ago when he was yammering about how immigrants make America "poorer and dirtier", fearmongering about the caravan, and so forth. And yesterday he called Brian Stelter "the Zucker puppet" (bad news given that Zucker is jewish) The reason I think he wasn't kidding on this Spongebob show (whatever it's called), is that he's still saying the same sort of thing today, aside from maybe defending child rape.

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The Clinton grifter who “exposed” the fact that Tucker Carlson was on the radio turns out to be a total piece of ****.

Cannot wait for the outrage machine in this thread to get outraged

https://dailycaller.com/2019/03/12/a...es-dont-apply/
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There is an entire Family Guy episode devoted to that concept and after Peter is able to be a kingmaker TV gets really stupid.
...is anyone watching what Fox looks like these days??
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The Clinton grifter who “exposed” the fact that Tucker Carlson was on the radio turns out to be a total piece of ****.

Cannot wait for the outrage machine in this thread to get outraged

https://dailycaller.com/2019/03/12/a...es-dont-apply/
Shoot the messenger huh?


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I really don’t understand what you mean about TV networks “getting different results with their screens.” Maybe you can elaborate, I do have a little knowledge on this subject.
Phone poll outcomes and election popularity reporting are regularly mis-stated in Murdoch media here. There have been instances of Fox staff being the "general populace" in their own phone campaigns. It's a running joke most of the time.



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No one here has believed or referenced Fox regarding viewer data. What they say or spin has no bearing on anything. Viewer data is syndicated outside of their control.
Cable connection and usage data is not out of their control. That's their business. So who is to say that the number of viewers is REALLY the number of viewers. In a business where these numbers really count for revenue and in a company culture that obviously has only a loose connection with the truth and a megalomaniac boss... Maybe they are above board. But as I said, I would not trust them at all to be accurate.
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The Fox News Presidency

You’re confusing the cable network with the cable or satellite provider. Repeating — what Fox ever chooses to say about their ratings has no bearing on anything. It would be as meaningless as a slogan like “fair and balanced.”

Fudging content is within their control. Fudging ratings is not.
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You’re confusing the cable network with the cable or satellite provider. Repeating — what Fox ever chooses to say about their ratings has no bearing on anything. It would be as meaningless as a slogan like “fair and balanced.”

Fudging content is within their control. Fudging ratings is not.
What is to stop Fox installing a couple hundred of their cable boxes in a warehouse and tuning them to Fox and Friends and Hannity and all those guys they want to promote 24x7 on repeat? They are rich so they can afford it. Each repeat may count as another view count.

Technically possible?
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lmao they don't have to do that...

They have an entire population of rednecks who have been brainwashed since birth into believing that a 2000 year old fantasy novel was actually not fantasy and that there is a zombie sky daddy.

All they literally have to do is be the network (and party) that acts like they believe in the faerie tale as well and they are golden.
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The Clinton grifter who “exposed” the fact that Tucker Carlson was on the radio turns out to be a total piece of ****.

Cannot wait for the outrage machine in this thread to get outraged

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Tucker Carlson is still a total piece of ****
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Old 13th March 2019, 11:24 PM   #115
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Originally Posted by This is The End View Post
lmao they don't have to do that...

They have an entire population of rednecks who have been brainwashed since birth into believing that a 2000 year old fantasy novel was actually not fantasy and that there is a zombie sky daddy.

All they literally have to do is be the network (and party) that acts like they believe in the faerie tale as well and they are golden.
Indeed so.

The thing is, if they can theoretically set up a warehouse of unattended cable modems, i.e. virtualise the viewers, the next logical step is to virtualise the cable modems as well. And if THAT is possible, and I know it is, it's easy enough to create tens of thousands of virtual "customers" in a cheap backroom setup. Voila - viewer numbers up to improve the stats, and all watching the Tucker C ****-Show or whomever they want to promote this week. There's big, BIG advertising money in those numbers...don't think they wouldn't try something like this.
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Old 14th March 2019, 12:00 AM   #116
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Indeed so.

The thing is, if they can theoretically set up a warehouse of unattended cable modems, i.e. virtualise the viewers, the next logical step is to virtualise the cable modems as well. And if THAT is possible, and I know it is, it's easy enough to create tens of thousands of virtual "customers" in a cheap backroom setup. Voila - viewer numbers up to improve the stats, and all watching the Tucker C ****-Show or whomever they want to promote this week. There's big, BIG advertising money in those numbers...don't think they wouldn't try something like this.
Always keep mind that Faux News is owed by the Murdoch family... in other words, Rupert Murdoch.

Rupert Murdoch is a despicable individual. He owned a newspaper called "News of the World". This scumbag had no hesitation in authorising the people who worked for him to do whatever it takes to get the story - and this included having people who work for him hack the mobile phone of a murdered teenager, Amanda Dowler.

Glenn Mulcaire, an investigator working for Murdoch's organisation, hacked into her voicemail while she was a missing person. He intercepted messages left by relatives and deleted some to make room for more. The missing messages gave her parents false hope that she was still alive.

They are scum, and if they would stoop this low, I have no doubt whatsoever that they would do something like fiddling the viewing statistics.
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
Jesus Christ. Nielsen and the cable companies aren’t faking the ratings. Take that nonsense to the Conspiracy Theory subforum.

This is actually the plot of a bad 80’s movie. Danny DeVito gives the Nielsen households free vacations and the mob sits in their homes watching their horrible show into a ratings blockbuster via controlling the Nielsen people meters.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ratings_Game
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There is an entire Family Guy episode devoted to that concept and after Peter is able to be a kingmaker TV gets really stupid.
You guys after doing the "Simpsons did it" meme wrong.
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
My goodness, journalistic standards have hit close to rock-bottom on Faux News.
But...why? I mean they're obvious, cheap photoshopping jobs. What was the intended effect, if they didn't even intend it as a joke?
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Originally Posted by Mumbles View Post
Tucker Carlson White Power Hour
Ooh, they really should change the name for that.

Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
The Clinton grifter who “exposed” the fact that Tucker Carlson was on the radio turns out to be a total piece of ****.

Cannot wait for the outrage machine in this thread to get outraged
Again, two wrongs make a right-wing.
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Old 14th March 2019, 08:34 AM   #120
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
What is to stop Fox installing a couple hundred of their cable boxes in a warehouse and tuning them to Fox and Friends and Hannity and all those guys they want to promote 24x7 on repeat? They are rich so they can afford it. Each repeat may count as another view count.

Technically possible?
You are "just asking questions" now. Please continue in the CT forum if you like.
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