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Old 18th February 2021, 02:33 AM   #1
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Texas Governor and FOX News Blames Liberals for Power Outages

The Governor of Texas is blaming Green Energy and Liberals for the power outages in Texas, claiming that Wind turbines have frozen up and that the Green New Deal would be a disaster.

Yet the reality is that the issue is that Gas and Coal stations have failed as the oil and gas services have been frozen up and that the green based energy systems are producing above their normal capacity, the few Wind Turbines that have failed, doing so because the GOP-controlled Government would not have them winterized properly.

Once again the GOP and FOX are lying about reality and blaming liberals for their own failures. But yeah, the moral party.

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Another interesting aspect of it is that Texas isn't connected to the national grid. Anyone know when that decision was made and by whom?
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The absolutely crazy thing is that nine years ago in 2011 the exact same thing happened and there was a report commissioned that explained the problems and recommended that Texas winterized its gas and electric plants so that it could deal with these weather events (2011 was not the first of them, they had the same issue in 1989) and yet no one pushed to have this happen, just as they didn't push for it after the 1989 weather failures.

The GOP has sat on their hands over this for decades, resulting in multiple failures of the same plants for the exact same reason, and yet now it's all AOC and the Democrat's fault for their Green Energy plans, even when it is the old coal and gas plants failing.
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Old 18th February 2021, 02:59 AM   #4
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There's going to be epic property damage all over Texas once they thaw out and the frozen water pipes begin to burst.
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There's going to be epic property damage all over Texas once they thaw out and the frozen water pipes begin to burst.
And dozens dead.
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Former Texas Governor and former US Secretary of Energy Rick Perrry is willing to let other Texans freeze to death to own the libs.

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“Texans would be without electricity for longer than three days to keep the federal government out of their business,” Gov. Perry said, partly rhetorically. “Try not to let whatever the crisis of the day is take your eye off of having a resilient grid that keeps America safe personally, economically, and strategically.”

https://www.republicanleader.gov/whats-up-in-texas/
(Love the "partly rhetorically", by the way.)
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As far as I understand, "a resilient grid that keeps America safe personally, economically, and strategically" would be working even in inclement weather.
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As far as I understand, "a resilient grid that keeps America safe personally, economically, and strategically" would be working even in inclement weather.
why do you hate the shareholders so much?
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Texas Tribune:

"Texas largely relies on natural gas — especially during times of high demand — to power the state. Experts say natural gas infrastructure, from pumping it out of the ground to the plants in city centers, was unprepared for the plunging temperatures brought by the winter storm."


"Officials for the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, which manages most of Texas’ grid, said the primary cause of the outages Tuesday appeared to be the state’s natural gas providers. Many are not designed to withstand such low temperatures on equipment or during production.

By some estimates, nearly half of the state’s natural gas production has screeched to a halt due to the extremely low temperatures, while freezing components at natural gas-fired power plants have forced some operators to shut down."


The Council has obviously been paid off by Big Wind, Big Solar, or Big Green to lie and make good, clean, reliable fossil fuels look bad and cover up the catastrophic windmill failures.
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The Daily Social Distancing Show, Feb. 18, 2021:
GOP & Fox Blame AOC’s Green New Deal for the Texas Power Crisis

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Originally Posted by Firestone View Post
Former Texas Governor and former US Secretary of Energy Rick Perrry is willing to let other Texans freeze to death to own the libs.



(Love the "partly rhetorically", by the way.)
Americans do have a largely dependable grid. Texas just isn't hooked up to it.
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And as usual, through a combination of willful ignorance, stupidity, malice and lies, this will be repeated and believed and eventually become a “fact” for all loyal conservatives.
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And as usual, through a combination of willful ignorance, stupidity, malice and lies, this will be repeated and believed and eventually become a “fact” for all loyal conservatives.
How long before you think there's calls to repeal the Green New Deal?
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How long before you think there's calls to repeal the Green New Deal?
Well yeh – it’s Obama’s fault for not vetoing it in the first place (which he would have if he wasn’t distracted by planning and then covering up for 9/11) but Trump will take care of it when he’s inaugurated in March.
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Americans do have a largely dependable grid. Texas just isn't hooked up to it.

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Its a load of total bollocks.

Let me see if I have this right... Texas has no Democrat statewide officials, it has a Republican Governor & Lieutenant Governor, two Republican Senators, and a Republican controlled legislature (state House and Senate), yet somehow it became the only state in the US adopt the Green New Deal, so it all the Democrats' fault? Rally? Then it was because they supposedly did so, that they had a massive power outage in the middle of winter? Yeah, right!

Nah, what actually happened (as far as I have been able to determine) was this. As the freezing weather drove record electricity demand, the equipment and instrumentation at natural gas, coal and nuclear facilities froze. Ice also forced some wind turbines to shut down because the state failed to take steps to winterize them. That means it was the state's, failure to carry out winter preparations that caused this disaster. Wind power shutdowns accounted for about 10 percent of total outages, while thermal power including gas coal and nuclear energy accounted for about double that. In reality, wind power generation actually exceeded the grid operators' daily forecast throughout the entire weekend.

Texas is the only state with a federally deregulated power grid, iei, its not under FEC oversight, and yet they are claiming their power failures are the fault of Democrats or other states such as California and New York. The blame for Texas' power woes is literally, and only, the fault of Texas' Republican leaders for isolating their grid from the rest of the country. They deregulated their power grid and then failed to manage its equipment for various weather conditions (the FEC manages this equipment in other states). So, rather than accept responsibility for their own incompetence and mismanagement, they try to blame Democrats for these failings by attacking renewable energy, the only energy source in Texas that actually over-performed during the crisis.

Actually, their position on this is not a surprise coming from Republican politicians like like Greg Abbot, Ted Cruz, Josh Cornyn and Dan Crenshaw, whose election campaigns are largely funded by oil, gas and coal companies.

The reality is that countries such as Russia, Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Canada, and the Baltic countries all use renewables such as wind, all have far harsher and colder winters that anything Texas is experiencing, and don't have anywhere near the problems Texas is having... because their power grids are properly managed and hardened for winter.
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Its a load of total bollocks.

Let me see if I have this right... Texas has no Democrat statewide officials, it has a Republican Governor & Lieutenant Governor, two Republican Senators, and a Republican controlled legislature (state House and Senate), yet somehow it became the only state in the US adopt the Green New Deal, so it all the Democrats' fault? Rally? Then it was because they supposedly did so, that they had a massive power outage in the middle of winter? Yeah, right!

Nah, what actually happened (as far as I have been able to determine) was this. As the freezing weather drove record electricity demand, the equipment and instrumentation at natural gas, coal and nuclear facilities froze. Ice also forced some wind turbines to shut down because the state failed to take steps to winterize them. That means it was the state's, failure to carry out winter preparations that caused this disaster. Wind power shutdowns accounted for about 10 percent of total outages, while thermal power including gas coal and nuclear energy accounted for about double that. In reality, wind power generation actually exceeded the grid operators' daily forecast throughout the entire weekend.

Texas is the only state with a federally deregulated power grid, iei, its not under FEC oversight, and yet they are claiming their power failures are the fault of Democrats or other states such as California and New York. The blame for Texas' power woes is literally, and only, the fault of Texas' Republican leaders for isolating their grid from the rest of the country. They deregulated their power grid and then failed to manage its equipment for various weather conditions (the FEC manages this equipment in other states). So, rather than accept responsibility for their own incompetence and mismanagement, they try to blame Democrats for these failings by attacking renewable energy, the only energy source in Texas that actually over-performed during the crisis.

Actually, their position on this is not a surprise coming from Republican politicians like like Greg Abbot, Ted Cruz, Josh Cornyn and Dan Crenshaw, whose election campaigns are largely funded by oil, gas and coal companies.

The reality is that countries such as Russia, Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Canada, and the Baltic countries all use renewables such as wind, all have far harsher and colder winters that anything Texas is experiencing, and don't have anywhere near the problems Texas is having... because their power grids are properly managed and hardened for winter.
Trump's gaslighting served as a great example for them. Pick an enemy to focus fear mongering and hate towards and go for it.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Trump's gaslighting served as a great example for them. Pick an enemy to focus fear mongering and hate towards and go for it.
It was happening before Trump, he just made it much more common.
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It should be noted that the panhandle (the northern tip of Texas) is also experiencing extreme cold, but nowhere near the outages that other parts of the state is experiencing.

The pan handle is on the national grid.
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Video from the Texas-Arkansas border. Guess which side is which. Is the lack of plows the fault of the Democrats too?


Screen grab for people who can't access Twitter.

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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
Video from the Texas-Arkansas border. Guess which side is which. Is the lack of plows the fault of the Democrats too?


Screen grab for people who can't access Twitter.

https://i.imgur.com/SAkptco.jpg
Yup

This is Geneva, Switzerland, during the grip of the "Beast from the East" winter storm of February 2018...



Did we hear any whining and political points-scoring from Swiss politicians? .....Nope

Did we hear any blaming of wind power, or solar power? .....Nope

Why?

Because this happens every year, you know, in winter. The Swiss know what to expect, and they are prepared for it. They hunker down, get on with it, and DON'T go around blaming everyone else for their woes.

Its the seven P's of competence... "Prior and Proper Preparation Prevents Piss-Poor Performance"... You will see that "Politics" is notable by its absence!!
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The reality is that countries such as Russia, Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Canada, and the Baltic countries all use renewables such as wind, all have far harsher and colder winters that anything Texas is experiencing, and don't have anywhere near the problems Texas is having... because their power grids are properly managed and hardened for winter.

Don't forget Greenland and Alaska!
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Don't forget Greenland and Alaska!
Indeed, and wow! More than a quarter or Alaska's power is generated by windpower alone! I did not know that!
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The Governor knows that his voters are stupid.
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The Governor knows that his voters are stupid.
Indeed. I hope that journalists and the state democratic party stay on top of this long enough to get something done.
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Can anyone else just imagine what that POS Trump would say about this situation if he was still in the White House?

He would probably to blame the Democrats for water freezing at 32O Fahrenheit.
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It was happening before Trump, he just made it much more common.
I wasn't talking about political truthiness. I was talking about telling an outright lie often enough so it will become a fact.

I don't want to sidetrack this thread into a Trump debate. This was relevant because it is a specific kind of gaslighting.
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This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. You don't think the GOP leaders in TX are going to take responsibility for the things they have and have had complete and total control over for decades when they can blame the Dems, do you? Silly wabbits.
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Can anyone else just imagine what that POS Trump would say about this situation if he was still in the White House?

He would probably to blame the Democrats for water freezing at 32O Fahrenheit.
He would issue an Executive Order switching to Metric counting and declare that is is actually 23° Celsius in Texas.
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Ted Cruz did his bit by scarpering off to Cancun.
And, having been called out for it, is scarpering back. And blaming his daughters.
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Ted Cruz did his bit by scarpering off to Cancun.
And, having been called out for it, is scarpering back. And blaming his daughters.
But isn't that the best place for him, I mean seriously who working on some frozen NG pump wants Ted Cruz to show up?
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But isn't that the best place for him, I mean seriously who working on some frozen NG pump wants Ted Cruz to show up?
That's what D'Souza is saying:

https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/sta...33079885848580

even he realizes that the best thing Cruz can do for Texas is stay away.
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Old 18th February 2021, 12:19 PM   #33
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He would issue an Executive Order switching to Metric counting and declare that is is actually 23° Celsius in Texas.
I can hear him now: "People have been saying having all those big fans blowing must have been cooling things down too much. I don't know, but people have been saying..."
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Old 18th February 2021, 12:27 PM   #34
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Please, please, please! Texas voted for Trump. So he'd tweet thoughts and prayers and tell them to "be safe" then go golfing.
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Old 18th February 2021, 12:37 PM   #35
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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
I can hear him now: "People have been saying having all those big fans blowing must have been cooling things down too much. I don't know, but people have been saying..."

“You have 15 degrees, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero,”

"Mr. "President", you do realize that that is worse, right?"

"No one knew Fahrenheit was so complicated...."
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Old 18th February 2021, 12:48 PM   #36
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
That's what D'Souza is saying:

https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/sta...33079885848580

even he realizes that the best thing Cruz can do for Texas is stay away.
The GOP has the most disgusting and repugnant people in it: D'Souza, Stone, Cruz, Graham, Limbaugh, Carlson, Hannity, Pirro, Trump....and that's not even naming all the white supremacists, Proud Boys, and other nut jobs. There are good and decent people in the Republican party, but how they can belong to a party that embraces people like those previously mentioned, I don't understand. If I were them, I'd become an Independent as many are doing. I just couldn't have an R next to my name in good conscience any longer.
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Old 18th February 2021, 01:10 PM   #37
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
The GOP has the most disgusting and repugnant people in it: D'Souza, Stone, Cruz, Graham, Limbaugh, Carlson, Hannity, Pirro, Trump....and that's not even naming all the white supremacists, Proud Boys, and other nut jobs. There are good and decent people in the Republican party, but how they can belong to a party that embraces people like those previously mentioned, I don't understand. If I were them, I'd become an Independent as many are doing. I just couldn't have an R next to my name in good conscience any longer.
FTFY, thankfully Limbaugh isn't part of much at this point.

A few facts I've learned recently. Apparently wind turbines need to be turned off if it gets to -24F. North Dakota's energy is 27% wind based. Lastly, Texas electrical infrastructure needs a massive overhaul.
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Old 18th February 2021, 01:24 PM   #38
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FTFY, thankfully Limbaugh isn't part of much at this point.

A few facts I've learned recently. Apparently wind turbines need to be turned off if it gets to -24F. North Dakota's energy is 27% wind based. Lastly, Texas electrical infrastructure needs a massive overhaul.
At least if ND gets cold enough they are on the grid where they can pull in power from warmer states. Texas little fiefdom voided that. It got just as cold in Mississippi and Alabama and their grids are fine.
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Old 18th February 2021, 01:28 PM   #39
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So, what, if anything, are these Republican whingers doing to try to restore power services? Anything? Because their blowing hot air in the media does not seem to be helping. Maybe if they blew their hot air on the frozen gas lines that might be more help instead...
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Old 18th February 2021, 02:00 PM   #40
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Surprised no J.R. Ewing wannabe has moseyed up to a microphone and said, "So much for yer damned global warming!"
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