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Old 14th September 2018, 02:55 PM   #1
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Alternative Good/Science Based Bad

It is with amusement that I look at some of the list of treatments displayed outside alternative health practitioners shops today. These are a few of them:

Acupressure
Acupuncture
Aromatherapy
Bach flower therapy
Blood irradiation therapies
Chinese medicine
Chiropractic
Colon hydrotherapy
Crystal healing
Dietary supplements
Ear candling
Electromagnetic therapy
Flower essence therapy
Graphology
Hair analysis (alternative medicine)
Homeopathy
Iridology
Journaling
Kampo
Laughter therapy
Magnetic healing
Manipulative therapy
Naturopathic medicine
Pranic healing
Psychic surgery
Qi
Reflexology
Salt Therapy
Sound therapy
Tantra massage
Thalassotherapy
Urine therapy
Vaginal steaming
Water cure (therapy)
Yoga
Zang fu theory

It seems to only qualification needed for these to be regarded as effective therapies or treatments is they are not science based.
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Old 14th September 2018, 04:11 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by Thor 2 View Post
It is with amusement that I look at some of the list of treatments displayed outside alternative health practitioners shops today. These are a few of them:

Acupressure
Acupuncture
Aromatherapy
Bach flower therapy
Blood irradiation therapies
Chinese medicine
Chiropractic
Colon hydrotherapy
Crystal healing
Dietary supplements
Ear candling
Electromagnetic therapy
Flower essence therapy
Graphology
Hair analysis (alternative medicine)
Homeopathy
Iridology
Journaling
Kampo
Laughter therapy
Magnetic healing
Manipulative therapy
Naturopathic medicine
Pranic healing
Psychic surgery
Qi
Reflexology
Salt Therapy
Sound therapy
Tantra massage
Thalassotherapy
Urine therapy
Vaginal steaming
Water cure (therapy)
Yoga
Zang fu theory

It seems to only qualification needed for these to be regarded as effective therapies or treatments is they are not science based.
All these “Alternative/Natural medicines” are merely “Belief medicines” that only “work” if you believe they will and do. Like all paranormal beliefs they're reality placebos.
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You know what they call alternative medicine that works? Medicine.
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Old 14th September 2018, 06:34 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
You know what they call alternative medicine that works? Medicine.
Truly spoken!

Mind you a number of medical treatments, with what we would think dodgy origins, have become recognised as effective and the science has come later to show why they work.

Anyway I think I might start a clinic specialising in vaginal steaming.
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This looks like the list of subjects on the Skeptic’s dictionary page.

Vaginal steaming? Really? I thought sticking rocks up there was loony enough.
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Old 15th September 2018, 07:43 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by Thor 2 View Post
It is with amusement that I look at some of the list of treatments displayed outside alternative health practitioners shops today. These are a few of them:

Acupressure
Acupuncture
Aromatherapy
Bach flower therapy
Blood irradiation therapies
Chinese medicine
Chiropractic
Colon hydrotherapy
Crystal healing
Dietary supplements
Ear candling
Electromagnetic therapy
Flower essence therapy
Graphology
Hair analysis (alternative medicine)
Homeopathy
Iridology
Journaling
Kampo
Laughter therapy
Magnetic healing
Manipulative therapy
Naturopathic medicine
Pranic healing
Psychic surgery
Qi
Reflexology
Salt Therapy
Sound therapy
Tantra massage
Thalassotherapy
Urine therapy
Vaginal steaming
Water cure (therapy)
Yoga
Zang fu theory

It seems to only qualification needed for these to be regarded as effective therapies or treatments is they are not science based.

Looks like naturopathy - a system of medicine that uses any treatment which is not demonstrably effective.
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Vaginal steaming is what happens when I walk in the room...

But anyway, what is amazing to me is the public demand for alternative medicine. I know quite a few docs who have integrated some of the less objectionable practices -aromatherapy and supplements mostly- because they see it as a way to engage their patients and win them over to real medicine. IOW, if they don’t embrace some of alternative medicine, they feel like thy are at risk of losing patients entirely.
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Old 15th September 2018, 09:49 AM   #9
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Vaginal steaming is what happens when I walk in the room...

But anyway, what is amazing to me is the public demand for alternative medicine. I know quite a few docs who have integrated some of the less objectionable practices -aromatherapy and supplements mostly- because they see it as a way to engage their patients and win them over to real medicine. IOW, if they don’t embrace some of alternative medicine, they feel like thy are at risk of losing patients entirely.

To paraphrase H. L. Mencken, alternative medicine provides answers that are clear, simple, and wrong, and as long as the first two are present, a lot of people don’t really care about the third.

For example, look at homeopathy. A pill for every ill, lacking unpleasant side-effects, that can treat anything. What’s not to like (apart from the inconvenient fact that it doesn’t work)?

If you were developing type two diabetes, would you rather go on a diet, cut out a lot of the stuff you enjoy eating and take more exercise, or just take a sugar pill?

CAM tells people what they want to hear. Is it any wonder that it’s popular?
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I was a little alarmed when my nurse last weekend said she was seeing a naturopathic doctor. I didn't pursue it because she was the one with the needles.

Then my cardiologist (Indian, apparently) briefed me on my condition - I asked what the pericardium does. He mentioned "God in his infinite wisdom put it there" at least twice. The young resident with him actually smirked and made a "pshaw" sound. I hope he doesn't incur the wrath of his boss...
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No mention of cupping?
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Laughter medicine is the only thing on the list that makes any sense.
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Old 15th September 2018, 01:01 PM   #13
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No mention of cupping?

I extracted my list from one that was about four times bigger and yes "cupping" was mentioned in the original.
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To paraphrase H. L. Mencken, alternative medicine provides answers that are clear, simple, and wrong, and as long as the first two are present, a lot of people don’t really care about the third.

For example, look at homeopathy. A pill for every ill, lacking unpleasant side-effects, that can treat anything. What’s not to like (apart from the inconvenient fact that it doesn’t work)?

If you were developing type two diabetes, would you rather go on a diet, cut out a lot of the stuff you enjoy eating and take more exercise, or just take a sugar pill?

CAM tells people what they want to hear. Is it any wonder that it’s popular?

See also “crank magnetism”.
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To cure all female health issues you only need to give them a massage in certain areas. This is what happened in the 19th century. Then vibrators were invented and the real problem was solved.
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To cure all female health issues you only need to give them a massage in certain areas. This is what happened in the 19th century. Then vibrators were invented and the real problem was solved.
the problem was Men, right?
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the problem was Men, right?
Specifically their husbands who did not know how to satisfy these women. After all they never had a decent education in the subject.
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The stupidity of homeopathy really gets me.

"The weaker the solution the stronger it is, and if not a molecule of the original substance is present, water has memory." - or some such tosh. Does it not occur to these cretins that all the water in the World mingles at some time or other, so any millilitre of water taken from any location, must be a dilution that has experience of or memory of all substances?
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The stupidity of homeopathy really gets me.

"The weaker the solution the stronger it is, and if not a molecule of the original substance is present, water has memory." - or some such tosh. Does it not occur to these cretins that all the water in the World mingles at some time or other, so any millilitre of water taken from any location, must be a dilution that has experience of or memory of all substances?
But most hasn't been hit by a leather glove or bible.
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Graphology

I think you intended to say Graphotherapy.
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But most hasn't been hit by a leather glove or bible.
Or succussed. It's gotta be succussed.
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... so any millilitre of water taken from any location, must be a dilution that has experience of or memory of all substances?
And considering every picolitre of water has been urine many times, it's understandable the way homoeopathy pisses people off.
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I think you intended to say Graphotherapy.
Graphology (or graphoanalysis, but not graphanalysis) is the analysis of the physical characteristics and patterns of handwriting claiming to be able to identify the writer, indicating psychological state at the time of writing, or evaluating personality characteristics.
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Graphology (or graphoanalysis, but not graphanalysis) is the analysis of the physical characteristics and patterns of handwriting claiming to be able to identify the writer, indicating psychological state at the time of writing, or evaluating personality characteristics.
It is my understanding you listed therapies -though it's just a "heard of those" for me in a third of the cases-, so you're saying now that you knowingly included graphology in its non-therapeutic manifestations. In that case you left out rune stones in one extreme and psychology in the other and a lot like those in between, if a case is to be made against them for being "bad science" or "non-scientific".

Weren't the OP just the list of those you wanted to target?
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The stupidity of homeopathy really gets me.

"The weaker the solution the stronger it is, and if not a molecule of the original substance is present, water has memory." - or some such tosh. Does it not occur to these cretins that all the water in the World mingles at some time or other, so any millilitre of water taken from any location, must be a dilution that has experience of or memory of all substances?
I pointed this out to someone in a discussion on another site which had brought up the Royal Family using homeopathy and how healthy they all are (because after all there's no other factors that might come into play, right?) and was 'informed' that the top homeopathic preparations are made using arctic water that has been frozen since before there was life on Earth. Ooookkkkkaaaayyyyy.......

If I'm ever faced with someone who seems to be on the fence I just tell them about 'grafting' and suggest they confirm that it's true with online homeopathic sources. Most people recognise that reaches the "we're not even going to pretend it isn't a scam any more" point.


Eta: I wonder if a potentialised solution of a print out of her comment about the ice would have cured facial slap marks (such as those caused by facepalming on exposure to the undiluted post)
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We've seen claims on here that grafting can be done by just holding the pills next to a photo of a prepared sample.
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We've seen claims on here that grafting can be done by just holding the pills next to a photo of a prepared sample.
I've not seen that one, it's even better than the sound file rubbish from a few years back! But the 'official' versions that are endorsed by homeopathic bodies are silly enough to open the eyes of most sensible people.
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This looks like the list of subjects on the Skeptic’s dictionary page.

Vaginal steaming? Really? I thought sticking rocks up there was loony enough.
One would hope that they're not actually shooting live steam in there. That would cause permanent damage.

ETA: OTOH, it could be beneficial to the gene pool by rendering those dumb enough to do it incapable of reproducing.

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