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Old Today, 03:02 PM   #1121
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Oh that's not nearly as bad as the Al Noor mosque. Was this video shown on American TV? Was the African mondo film shown on TV?
The english version of Africa Addio is currently available On Demand TV and youtube. The Rhodesian reporting was shown locally (Rhodesia/SA) back in the day, and it too is available on YT (obviously)

In April 1968, nobody in America that turned on a TV could avoid this:

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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Oh yes, YouTube has gory stuff and so does LiveLeak. There are other sites hosting much worse.

When I said this mosque video is unlike a war documentary I meant the ones you would see on TV. The web is full of this stuff and much worse. I've never heard of anyone doing what New Zealand is doing now with their war against the video and people around it.
Yet Youtube and Facebook apparently rushed to take this video down.

All my content comes from the internet, I haven't watched anything on regular television in years but I know what you're talking about and it's rather dated.

I've never heard of anyone doing what New Zealand is doing with this video either and frankly, it's alarming. I just hope it stays in New Zealand.
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Originally Posted by Stout View Post
1. A surveillance video of, say a store robbery, does the same thing.
2. The same could be said of a news report
3. I don't even know what this means
4. You figure people are fapping to this ? Jeez, I never thought that Saving Private Ryan needed a XXX rating.
5. Are you suggesting we just take the word of a journalist who's watched the video and not do our own research ? , Not a New Zealand journalist of course because one of those would be looking at 10 years for admitting to watching this video in the first place.
If we are jailing people, for distributing graphic video of a terrorist attack, taken by the terrorist himself, then I'm all for it.

I grow really tired of people to trying to "whatabout" this issue by comparing with war documentaries and surveillance footage as if they were somehow comparable THEY ARE NOT IN ANY WAY COMPARABLE!!

This vile excuse for a human being walked into a place of worship and cold bloodedly, brutally murdered 50 innocent civilian men, women and children, live streaming video of his outrage as he did so. If MY government wants to infringe the rights of a few of this murderer's supporters in order to minimize the chances of something like this ever happening again then they can have at it as far as I am concerned. If they want to make the possession, distribution and promulgation of White Nationalist and White Supremacist and NAZI materials illegal and a jailable offence, they have my full and undying support

Oh, and please don't give me the hoary old "where do you draw the line" chestnut. It does not apply here. Extreme political views such as Nazism, White Supremacy and ultra leftism have utterly no place in a civilized society.
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Originally Posted by Stout View Post
Yet Youtube and Facebook apparently rushed to take this video down.

All my content comes from the internet, I haven't watched anything on regular television in years but I know what you're talking about and it's rather dated.

I've never heard of anyone doing what New Zealand is doing with this video either and frankly, it's alarming. I just hope it stays in New Zealand.
??

You have never heard of child pornography being banned, or do you just mean with films of mass killings?
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Originally Posted by Stout View Post
So what ?
My list was meant to be inclusive, not "any one of the following". Legit pornography, for instance, is also meant to titillate, but it doesn't meet all of these other criteria either.

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Yes it could, see the Tylenol poisonings and subsequent copycat crimes.
The criminally-minded using ideas from crimes reported in a news article is not the same as the news report actively promoting and attempting to incite.

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No it isn't, it's more of a question or request for clarification posed a statement.
Oh, I see.

The sole and only point of this video, as with the point of a child porn video, is to showcase the abuse of the person/people who appear within it. Unlike, say, a surveillance video at a convenience store that was robbed: the security camera wasn't set up to depict that particular robbery, it was set up to record everything that happens in the store indiscriminately with the understanding that any illegal activities that happen to be caught can be helpful to police investigations of those activities. Certainly clips from surveillance footage can make it onto television later and serve as entertainment; but that was never the point of the security system and it's not what the footage was made for.

This video on the other hand isn't from a security camera, or even from a bystander trying to document a shocking event for police. The whole point was the killer showcasing the deaths of his victims.

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Maybe you meant to use a word other than prurient then because every definition I look up mentions sexual
Yes but prurient wasn't the only word I used in that bullet.


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So no to the own research and again, in with the kiddie porn. I have no interest in researching kiddie porn.
I'm suppose I'm glad you don't, but your own interest is irrelevant to my point; even if you had interest in researching it, you could not. And that's fine.
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There is a reason this guy live streamed it. HE WANTS PEOPLE TO WATCH. That is the best reason not to, for anyone who actually needs one.

I don't have an opinion on the legal argument, I'm sick this week and can't think straight (yes even worse than usual).

I just have no desire to see something like that. I've seen some sick videos in my life. Police shootings just are not the same.

Seeing the individual faces, seeing the terror, then seeing them shot and killed. All at the hands of some douchebag. Not my thing, and for many reasons, ranging from personal to a belief that this could make matters worse (again, he wants us to watch it).
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
If we are jailing people, for distributing graphic video of a terrorist attack, taken by the terrorist himself, then I'm all for it.

I grow really tired of people to trying to "whatabout" this issue by comparing with war documentaries and surveillance footage as if they were somehow comparable THEY ARE NOT IN ANY WAY COMPARABLE!!

This vile excuse for a human being walked into a place of worship and cold bloodedly, brutally murdered 50 innocent civilian men, women and children, live streaming video of his outrage as he did so. If MY government wants to infringe the rights of a few of this murderer's supporters in order to minimize the chances of something like this ever happening again then they can have at it as far as I am concerned. If they want to make the possession, distribution and promulgation of White Nationalist and White Supremacist and NAZI materials illegal and a jailable offence, they have my full and undying support

Oh, and please don't give me the hoary old "where do you draw the line" chestnut. It does not apply here. Extreme political views such as Nazism, White Supremacy and ultra leftism have utterly no place in a civilized society.
Oh no, really that's good that you're all for internet censorship and with any luck you'll have Russian or Chinese style restrictions on what you're allowed to see and say. It's all very progressive, really.
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
??

You have never heard of child pornography being banned, or do you just mean with films of mass killings?
For berevity's sake....Things that aren't child porn.
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For berevity's sake....Things that aren't child porn.
So torture is ok then?
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Checkmite, I hear what you're saying I just don't see this guy getting the reaction he was hoping for. As far as I can tell, 99.99% of the people who've heard about this incident think the guy is a total douchbag who is best dealt with to the harshest extreme of the law.

Granted I haven't been over to the Daily Stormfront to see what they're saying ( haven't booted up the computer with the VPN on it ) but I will, eventually.

A year from now the world, excluding New Zealand is going to forget about this incident and we'll probably have to do some searching to refresh our memories of what happened there.

As long as there's whackos and extremists in the world we're going to have these kinds of attacks and we're going to speculate on how much access to information "causes" them to happen.
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So torture is ok then?
Do I get 10 years in jail for accessing torture information ? Well I don't maybe you do in New Zealand. Maybe you should ?
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Believe me, it's not hard to find in Australia.



#eggboi
"#Eggboi" is part of the problem. One extreemist assaulting another. Giving publicity to Anning. I think he will now get more than 16 votes next election, even if he does not get in. There are likely more than 16 biggots in QLD who now see Anning as the way forward for their ideology. Eggboy just escalated things.
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If it makes you feel better, I don't blame you for the shooting, and I am pretty sure that if you had stood up to every person who made a racist joke, and written letters and emails to every TV company that featured something a bit racist, or denounced politicians such as Pauline Hanson and Fraser Anning, this event still would have happened (notwithstanding the vagaries of chaos theory).



I know that whenever I have said, "Hey, that's racist!" I have more often been met with derision or "So ******* what?!" I think calling it out is not something that tends to be successful.



I think there is also a problem with this self-imposed collective guilt. It has corollaries that you probably don't want to make.



Isn't it common to hear people saying such things as "Muslims need to denounce terrorists who commit terrorism in the name of Islam!"? Would you agree that calling yourself guilty of this crime by virtue (or vice) of being a white Australian, it also suggests that Sunni Muslims should feel responsible for the atrocities of al Qaeda and ISIS? Or that Shia Muslims bear some responsibility for Hezbollah? Or maybe Irish people bear responsibility for the IRA, and Japanese people are collectively responsible for that Pen, Pineapple, Apple Pen song?



It's one thing to argue that action should be taken against racists, and that people should vote out or shun racist populists, but it is another thing to say you are guilty! In fact, trying to share the guilt around is almost exculpatory of the actual murderer.
Thank you for stating it so well.
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Oh no, really that's good that you're all for internet censorship and with any luck you'll have Russian or Chinese style restrictions on what you're allowed to see and say. It's all very progressive, really.
Oh please spare me your utter bollocks. You are swinging to the extreme (which actually doesn't surprise me given the rubbish you have posted in this thread so far). You know perfectly well that what I am suggesting is NOTHING AT ALL LIKE RUSSIA OR CHINA. Its more like what Germany has... From a 2017 NYT article...
"In Germany, the very presence of neo-Nazis openly marching through a city bearing swastika-emblazoned flags, as in Charlottesville, is unthinkable. Unlike the United States, Germany places strict limits on speech and expression when it comes to right-wing extremism. It is illegal to produce, distribute or display symbols of the Nazi era — swastikas, the Hitler salute, along with many symbols that neo-Nazis have developed as proxies to get around the initial law. Holocaust denial is also illegal.

The law goes further. There is the legal concept of “Volksverhetzung,” the incitement to hatred: Anybody who denigrates an individual or a group based on their ethnicity or religion, or anybody who tries to rouse hatred or promotes violence against such a group or an individual, could face a sentence of up to five years in prison.

These laws apply to individuals, but they and others are also defenses against extremist political parties. The Constitutional Court, Germany’s highest court, can ban parties it deems intent on impairing or destroying the political order. In 2017 the court came close to banning the extremist right-wing National Democratic Party but determined the organization was too weak to outlaw.

This legal regime is backed by a political culture that effectively bans expression that might pass legal muster but still flirts with racist ideologies. The German right-wing-populist Alternative for Germany is a good example. Though its program and members do not openly embrace or reference Nazism, the party’s program dabbles in ideas that might be construed as racist, and as a result the party is a pariah to mainstream voters and politicians."

I don't see Germany as an oppressive regime like Russia or China... do you?
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And I find the "We will not even mention his name" to be a bit juvenile.
It's not about free speech.

The point of not naming the guy is to not give these scumbags attention for horrendous behavior.

And the video is grossly unfair to the family and loved ones of the victims. They have the right not to have that on display.
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Originally Posted by Hungry81 View Post
"#Eggboi" is part of the problem. One extreemist assaulting another. Giving publicity to Anning. I think he will now get more than 16 votes next election, even if he does not get in. There are likely more than 16 biggots in QLD who now see Anning as the way forward for their ideology. Eggboy just escalated things.
Anning did far worse to Eggboy than Eggboy did to Anning. And no, you're wrong. Anning hasn't a whelk's chance in a supernova of being re-elected. He's a nobody and nobody cares.
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In among all the concern about NZ laws being applied to a piece of filth, I need to ask if you're a New Zealander.

The reason I'm interested is because if you are, that would make the total opposed to it being 1. Tarrant's vote doesn't count.

We live in a democracy, and in NZ we even have going with the majority view enshrined in our law. In the case of Tarrant's video, the total vote on whether watching & distributing Tarrant's video is a disgustingly immoral act, or should be allowed, is currently about 4.5 million to 0, or 1 if you're a Kiwi.

Either way, I suggest finding something else to whine about, because nobody here wants to see anything less than prison sentences for people who would want to watch or share the video. Those dead bodies have live families and they don't want you, or anyone else, watching them be killed in cold blood by a loser, tiny-dicked Aussie bogan supremacist piece of dirt.
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The english version of Africa Addio is currently available On Demand TV and youtube. The Rhodesian reporting was shown locally (Rhodesia/SA) back in the day, and it too is available on YT (obviously)

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Very few of the versions include the blood pouring out of his head like a faucet.
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The main difference with this event is that it is played out like a FPS video game. When you watch this you ARE the shooter, not just an observer.
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Oh please spare me your utter bollocks. You are swinging to the extreme (which actually doesn't surprise me given the rubbish you have posted in this thread so far). You know perfectly well that what I am suggesting is NOTHING AT ALL LIKE RUSSIA OR CHINA. Its more like what Germany has... From a 2017 NYT article...

I don't see Germany as an oppressive regime like Russia or China... do you
What ? You want me to read your mind. I have no idea what you're proposing but if 10 years in jail is an acceptable punishment for watching a video then have at 'er mate, knock yourself out.
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Please. Those of us who don't want to watch the video also don't particularly want graphic descriptions of the video either.
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In among all the concern about NZ laws being applied to a piece of filth, I need to ask if you're a New Zealander.

The reason I'm interested is because if you are, that would make the total opposed to it being 1. Tarrant's vote doesn't count.

We live in a democracy, and in NZ we even have going with the majority view enshrined in our law. In the case of Tarrant's video, the total vote on whether watching & distributing Tarrant's video is a disgustingly immoral act, or should be allowed, is currently about 4.5 million to 0, or 1 if you're a Kiwi.

Either way, I suggest finding something else to whine about, because nobody here wants to see anything less than prison sentences for people who would want to watch or share the video. Those dead bodies have live families and they don't want you, or anyone else, watching them be killed in cold blood by a loser, tiny-dicked Aussie bogan supremacist piece of dirt.
I'm Canadian.

Yea, I get it, even your criminal gangs support this internet ban. It's understandable, your country is hurting and this is about the worst thing to happen in Aotearoa since 1841.

if you don't like my "whining" feel free to put me on ignore.
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It's all in Facebook's hands.

I'll bet there's an awful lot of Kiwis crapping bricks right about now.

Seal your borders, don't let those nazis escape.

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Privacy Commissioner John Edwards called on Facebook to share names with police.

It is an offence to share this material as soon as it is produced, and the timing of the official classification does not affect the ability for police and enforcement agencies to prosecute offences under the Films, Videos & Publications Classification Act 1993, Shanks says.

"Facebook should be notifying the police of the account names of people who have shared this content," Edwards told RNZ this morning.
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What ? You want me to read your mind. I have no idea what you're proposing but if 10 years in jail is an acceptable punishment for watching a video then have at 'er mate, knock yourself out.
Jesus Christ!!! What is it going to take for people to stop posting misinformation? You need to do some research so that you can proceed from a position of actually knowing what you are talking about.

He's charged with DISTRIBUTING the video (among other things) !!
A New Zealand judge on Monday charged a teenager in relation to footage of a terror attack on two mosques in Christchurch which was broadcast live by the attacker on Facebook.

The 18-year-old was charged under the Films, Videos, and Publications Classifications Act of 1993 for distributing the footage of the shootings, which killed 50 people and left another 50 wounded.

He was also charged for posting miscellaneous material a week before the attack took place, including images of the mosque with the words "target identified" and messages inciting violence.

In a statement, New Zealand Police said "it is an offence to distribute or possess an objectionable publication".

The Christchurch court judge, who has put a gag order on the case, has accepted the request to keep his name anonymous but rejected the petition for bail.

The accused is expected to appear again before the court on Apr. 8.

The teenager was arrested "in the initial stages of the shooting investigation" on Friday, but police, who said he was not being charged in relation to the attack, said they "do not believe he was directly involved", according to a statement on Sunday night.
https://www.efe.com/efe/english/port...000260-3927705

I have zero sympathy for this person. I hope he's found guilty and they throw the book at him... a clear and loud message needs to be sent!!
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