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Old 1st September 2022, 10:08 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
A company doesn't have to have the size of Intel to make microchips.

Historically, a number of smaller companies in a sector leads to way more innovation than having very few very big ones.
You seem to have confused designing microchips with making microchips. Small companies can indeed design them. But it does take an Intel sized company to make them. That's why AMD no longer makes microchips. It has become too expensive.
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Old 1st September 2022, 10:11 AM   #42
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But when they hit, they hit big. ex Neo-Liberalism, the post-War Christian revival movement, the Tea Party, there's a few examples
Tort reform is a really big one.
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Old 1st September 2022, 02:17 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
A company doesn't have to have the size of Intel to make microchips.

Historically, a number of smaller companies in a sector leads to way more innovation than having very few very big ones.
Until ti comes to mass production.
You just don;t like private enterprise, period.
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Old 1st September 2022, 02:18 PM   #44
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This thread is good example of why I am not a Progressive; at times their grasp of reality is just as bad as the Trumpers. And for the same reason; When reality conflicts with ideology, reality must be disposed of.
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Old 1st September 2022, 06:11 PM   #45
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Hemlock Semiconductor is about 10 miles west of me. It's the largest producer of poly silicone in the US. Time to make an investment.
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Old 1st September 2022, 09:31 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Until ti comes to mass production.
You just don;t like private enterprise, period.
Wrong, but you will believe what you want no matter what I say.
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Old 1st September 2022, 09:37 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Replace ALL Big Business with small business.
Most problems with the US economy are the result of nonexistent monopoly busting and the resulting regulatory capture.
You can either have a Market Economy or Big Business, but not both.
Adam Smith certainly felt this way, but economies of scale are a real thing. For many products it can be far more efficient and cost effective to have a few large producers. There can also be disadvantages to the consumer in having to many different brands to deal with.

While the issues with having just a few large companies are real as well the answer IMO is regulation not just discarding all the advantages economies of scale offer for some industries.


Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
A company doesn't have to have the size of Intel to make microchips.

Historically, a number of smaller companies in a sector leads to way more innovation than having very few very big ones.
A fab for producing large high performance general purpose CPU's can cost upwards of $10 billion dollars and you only need a couple of them to supply the entire world. The R&D that goes into the production process can cost that much as well. A bleeding edge fab is not something a smaller company can really build or maintain any more. A generic fab off the bleeding edge can be a lot cheaper but there will be a big performance disadvantage when it comes to the type of chips Intel produces.
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Old 1st September 2022, 10:01 PM   #48
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In this day and age, $10 billion does not make you one of the biggest companies.


And about economies of scale: you have to balance their benefits with the drawback they cause by making it essentially impossible to break into an established market.
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Old 1st September 2022, 10:33 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
"The constitution is overdue for a rewrite, and we should change it!"

"You mean like convince a majority of legislators in a majority of states to open the constitution for editing, and see if they can come up with something palatable to the majority of them?"

"Huh?"

"You know, one of the constitutional methods for changing the constitution?"

"Oh. Yeah, sure. Let's do that!"

"Great! Here we go!"

"NO! Stop! That's not what I meant at all!"
More like:

"The constitution is democratically illegitimate and is unable to meet the challenges of the moment. It should be replaced."

"Ok, well according to the constitution...."

"You aren't really drawing out the relevant implications here, are you?"

We ought to take a page from the founders n' framers here and just ignore our failed constitution. Obviously, those of us who regard the thing as undemocratic and regressive aren't going to be enthused by undemocratic and regressive means of revision.
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Originally Posted by ZiprHead View Post
Hemlock Semiconductor is about 10 miles west of me. It's the largest producer of poly silicone in the US. Time to make an investment.
Who owns this company, Gomez Addams?
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Originally Posted by mumblethrax View Post
More like:

"The constitution is democratically illegitimate and is unable to meet the challenges of the moment. It should be replaced."

"Ok, well according to the constitution...."

"You aren't really drawing out the relevant implications here, are you?"

We ought to take a page from the founders n' framers here and just ignore our failed constitution. Obviously, those of us who regard the thing as undemocratic and regressive aren't going to be enthused by undemocratic and regressive means of revision.
Also, the current SCOTUS are a bunch of self-promoting "originalists", Founding Fathers worshippers. So good luck getting anything written after 1778 (or whenever it was set up) changed.
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Old 2nd September 2022, 05:40 AM   #52
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
This thread is good example of why I am not a Progressive;
You're too emotionally invested in neoliberalism? You have become an ideological extreme centrist?

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at times their grasp of reality is just as bad as the Trumpers. And for the same reason; When reality conflicts with ideology, reality must be disposed of.
This is MAGA levels of projection.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
In this day and age, $10 billion does not make you one of the biggest companies.
This is incorrect. Not many companies can afford to spend $10 billion in cash, then go back and do the same 6 months later.

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
And about economies of scale: you have to balance their benefits with the drawback they cause by making it essentially impossible to break into an established market.
Companies can't break into the established CPU market because they can't pump out the tend of $ billions for R&D and facilities and still sell the final product for a reasonable price.

The only reason a modern CPU can cost as little as $500 is because the R&D and production facilities can be spread out over tens or hundreds of millions of sales. If you had 10 companies all replicating the same R&D and production facilities and split the sales 10 ways a CPU would cost $5000 not $500
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Originally Posted by mumblethrax View Post
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We ought to take a page from the founders n' framers here and just ignore our failed constitution. Obviously, those of us who regard the thing as undemocratic and regressive aren't going to be enthused by undemocratic and regressive means of revision.
A philosophy of legal realism that bases itself on the idea that the constitution is meant to present a democratic government that protects the vulnerable with its specific provisions being illustrative guidelines to be understood in the context of an evolving world pretty much fixes it.

Which was something that was mainstream until the conservatives came up with modern (pre)textualism which allows them to do horrible things to people using their manufactured ahistorical ideas of original intent as a shield.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
In this day and age, $10 billion does not make you one of the biggest companies.
Inflation hasn't been that bad under Joe Biden.
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Who owns this company, Gomez Addams?
Heh! It's in the little town of Hemlock, Michigan.

I've also found it's owned by Dow Corning. Dow Corning and Dow Chemical is located in Midland, a few miles north of there.
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A philosophy of legal realism that bases itself on the idea that the constitution is meant to present a democratic government that protects the vulnerable with its specific provisions being illustrative guidelines to be understood in the context of an evolving world pretty much fixes it.
It would certainly be an improvement, although it should be said that some of the nuts-and-bolts provisions that have engendered severe inequalities via the malapportioned institutions they effect have proved resistant to reform, even during the heyday of realism. In any case, a rejection of myopic formalism is probably a necessary precursor to any kind of meaningful reform.

It's sort of odd that my favorite part of the constitution, the preamble, is largely ignored by originalists/textualists. It's a nice little aspirational statement of purpose, which ought to inform how the rest of the text is interpreted. I mean, they're pretty much telling us what they hoped to accomplish.

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Also, the current SCOTUS are a bunch of self-promoting "originalists", Founding Fathers worshippers. So good luck getting anything written after 1778 (or whenever it was set up) changed.
No they are not. The Ridiculous Six believe in ruling how they need to in order to advance conservative interests and then backfilling the legal reasoning.

The Founding Fathers were quite clear that they did not have all the answers and thought that preserving one set of laws in amber forever was stupid. They stated on several occasions and through the 9th Amendment that people in the future might have different ideas and that the Constitution should grow to adapt to them.

The entire doctrine of "originalism" is fundamentally contradictory nonsense.
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Inflation hasn't been that bad under Joe Biden.
It's one company, Michael, how much could it cost? Ten billion dollars?
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I'm sure all the "originalists" given the chance to rewrite the Constitution would show true colors in just how closely they wanted to follow the "sacred" framers' intent. I have a feeling their favorite sections would remain intact and strengthened to reflect their specific interpretation, and others will be conveniently left out or watered down, and even higher hurdles for changing it again placed.
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