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Old 31st August 2022, 08:20 PM   #1
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These signs are amazing and Texas could've done so much worse.

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Old 1st September 2022, 10:48 AM   #2
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He just exposed the new law for what it really is: the GOP attempt to insert the Christian religion into schools. Kudos to him.
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I have to say, the signs in schools don't bother me...and I am not a believer.

Take if off of money, and then we have something to talk about.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
I have to say, the signs in schools don't bother me...and I am not a believer.

Take if off of money, and then we have something to talk about.
Huh?
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Huh?
"In God We Trust" is on US currency.

Seems silly to whine about some posters on a wall, if that is allowed to stand.

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"In God We Trust" (also rendered as "In God we trust") is the official motto of the United States and of the U.S. state of Florida.It was adopted by the U.S. Congress in 1956, replacing E pluribus unum, which had been the de facto motto since the initial design of the Great Seal of the United States.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
I have to say, the signs in schools don't bother me...and I am not a believer.

Take if off of money
, and then we have something to talk about.
How do you justify one but not the other? They both promote religion by a government, one federal and the other state.
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Huh?
Back in 1955, the US added "In God We Trust" to all our currency as a reaction to the "godless" commies we were worried about.

I think Warp is saying that if we don't remove it from our dollar bills then we shouldn't complain about it being required to be posted in schools. It's both a false equivalence (because most of us don't even handle physical money more than a couple times a year while schoolchildren do go to school every day) and a 'you can't complain about one thing unless you fix a much thornier problem first' dodge.

Fine, I say, get the violation of the 1st Amendment off our currency and our school walls.
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How do you justify one but not the other? They both promote religion by a government, one federal and the other state.

Exactly my point. Shouldn't the change start at the federal level?

And if not, why not? Seems to me that any efforts to keep it out of schools ring a little hollow.

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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
"In God We Trust" is on US currency.

Seems silly to whine about some posters on a wall, if that is allowed to stand.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust
Do you really not understand the significance of making a law requiring posting signs that promote religion in public schools or is this just for shock value?
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Do you really not understand the significance of making a law requiring posting signs that promote religion in public schools or is this just for shock value?

I already said it doesn't bother me. I mean, it is the "Official Motto" of the US, after all. And it appears on our currency. This seems like a lot of whining over nothing, tbh.
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Exactly my point. Shouldn't the change start at the federal level?

And if not, why not? Seems to me that any efforts to keep it out of schools ring a little hollow.
When's the last time you handled a dollar bill? I use my debit for everything, and have for years. How often are schoolkids required to walk past the new Christian signs in Texas schools?

Why does a much harder and larger federal change need to be done before we roll back one state's latest new push for Christianity in public schools?
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Also, only someone who really likes the depravity that is Christianity would fall back on that in this case.
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Exactly my point. Shouldn't the change start at the federal level?

And if not, why not? Seems to me that any efforts to keep it out of schools ring a little hollow.
I'm equally outraged by them and have long believed it needs to be removed from money, along with "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance. You said the signs in schools did "bother" you. How do you reconcile one not bothering you while the other does? It's the same damn thing.
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I'm equally outraged by them and have long believed it needs to be removed from money, along with "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance. You said the signs in schools did "bother" you. How do you reconcile one not bothering you while the other does? It's the same damn thing.

I didn't say either bothered me. I said that without a change at the federal level, this is just pointless whining. I don't care if it is on the bills, or on the walls.

As I said, it is the official motto of the US! How does one complain about these things as long as that stands?
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I didn't say either bothered me. I said that without a change at the federal level, this is just pointless whining.
Don't be obtuse. People have been trying to remove references to religion from the state for decades.

You're also dishonest. It's not that it doesn't bother you. You like it.
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Do you really not understand the significance of making a law requiring posting signs that promote religion in public schools or is this just for shock value?
I already said it doesn't bother me. I mean, it is the "Official Motto" of the US, after all. And it appears on our currency. This seems like a lot of whining over nothing, tbh.
OK...now I get it. This is really about getting to bring up 'libs whining'.

ETA: I'm out of this conversation with you. There's a word that describes exactly what you're doing but it's verboten to use here.

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I doubt that the motto is going to be changed anytime soon, but maybe down the line.

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WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The vast majority of U.S. adults believe in God, but the 81% who do so is down six percentage points from 2017 and is the lowest in Gallup's trend. Between 1944 and 2011, more than 90% of Americans believed in God.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/393737/...s-new-low.aspx

I think the godless folks are solidly on the losing end of this scenario, for the time being. And until that changes, they might have to just accept a few posters on the wall.
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I doubt that the motto is going to be changed anytime soon, but maybe down the line.


https://news.gallup.com/poll/393737/...s-new-low.aspx

I think the godless folks are solidly on the losing end of this scenario, for the time being. And until that changes, they might have to just accept a few posters on the wall.
Because more people "believe in god" than not then it's ok to violate the 1st Amendment?

Does anyone else remember when conservatives claimed to want to follow the Constitution? It feels like it wasn't that long ago, but now seeing a "conservative" who isn't gleefully wiping his ass with the Constitution is rare.
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This seems like a lot of whining over nothing, tbh.
I dunno man, seems to me that individual families ought to get to decide whether their kids should be encouraged to trust in many gods, one god, or none.

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I dunno man, seems to me that individual families ought to get to decide whether their kids should be encouraged to trust in many gods, one god, or none.

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Imagine the reaction if "Trust in Shiva" (or substantive equivalent) had been posted in a Texas classroom.
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I dunno man, seems to me that individual families ought to get to decide whether their kids should be encouraged to trust in many gods, one god, or none.

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I don't see the poster on the wall as any better or worse than it being printed on our currency, and having it be the official motto of the US.

I mean, I would protest mandatory prayer or something like that. But a poster with the official motto of our country? Nah.

Regarding the highlighted...well, a lot of libs don't believe in that sort of thinking on other educational matters. So, maybe this can be a lesson to them.
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I don't see the poster on the wall as any better or worse than it being printed on our currency, and having it be the official motto of the US.
Yep, nothing is more in your face than the paper currency virtually nobody uses routinely and the "official motto" that 99% of the country would still say is "E pluribus unum" instead of "yay God".

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I mean, I would protest mandatory prayer or something like that. But a poster with the official motto of our country? Nah.
If Trump or DeSantis proposed mandatory prayer I'd bet this persona would suddenly be all in favor of it as long as "the libs" were against it.

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Regarding the highlighted...well, a lot of libs don't believe in that sort of thinking on other educational matters. So, maybe this can be a lesson to them.
Yeah, no. This is a TX law, not a school curriculum.
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Which god?

Oh, the white, Aryan one.
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And there it is......
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I don't see the poster on the wall as any better or worse than it being printed on our currency...
The people who pay for such things as pharmaceuticals and personal services in cash are probably grown up enough to be a bit cynical about the printed homage to the Abrahamic deity on post-WWII filthy lucre.

Kids are somewhat more open-minded, arguably to the point of vulnerability. The younger ones, at least, tend to simply believe what trusted adults (e.g. schoolteachers) have to say.
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Kids are somewhat more open-minded, arguably to the point of vulnerability. The younger ones, at least, tend to simply believe what trusted adults (e.g. schoolteachers) have to say.

As I posted earlier:

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Regarding the highlighted...well, a lot of libs don't believe in that sort of thinking on other educational matters. So, maybe this can be a lesson to them.

It's just a poster. It is the official motto of the US. It is printed on all of our money. This is a nothingburger compared to other viewpoints that liberals are trying to force upon kids via curriculum, imo.
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I don't see the poster on the wall as any better or worse than it being printed on our currency, and having it be the official motto of the US.

I mean, I would protest mandatory prayer or something like that. But a poster with the official motto of our country? Nah.

Regarding the highlighted...well, a lot of libs don't believe in that sort of thinking on other educational matters. So, maybe this can be a lesson to them.
Well, there you go again. . .

Another of your bigoted generalizations.
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Again what did people think was gonna happen? The Republicans were going to go "Oh noes you trapped us in our own argument, I guess you win?" and not "LOL yeah we're hypocrites whatcha gonna do about it libtards?"
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I hope the kids deface those posters.
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It's just a poster.
Nope. It's a mandatory right-wing Christian-Nationalist catechism that is being forced on children despite what their parents may want for them by way of religious education. It is overriding their constitutional right to freedom of religion.

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Nope. Only money made after 1956.

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This is a nothingburger compared to other viewpoints that liberals are trying to force upon kids via curriculum, imo.
Nope. Constitutional originalists. And stop trying to deflect. The topic is religious posters in Texas schools and the constitution, not your petty armchair whiner gripes about people who don't think like you.
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Nope. Only money made after 1956.

Oh, ok. Only money printed/coined in the last 66 years. My bad.
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Well, there you go again. . .

Another of your bigoted generalizations.

Obviously you must know how ridiculous that sounds considering the venue we are in, and the viewpoints expressed towards conservatives.
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Oh, ok. Only money printed/coined in the last 66 years. My bad.
We know. Of course, it's also printed on every credit and debit card as well. And on all online transactions. So you can rest assured the message is getting out.
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Nope. It's a mandatory right-wing Christian-Nationalist catechism that is being forced on children despite what their parents may want for them by way of religious education. It is overriding their constitutional right to freedom of religion.

Nope. Only money made after 1956.

Nope. Constitutional originalists. And stop trying to deflect. The topic is religious posters in Texas schools and the constitution, not your petty armchair whiner gripes about people who don't think like you libs.
Isn't that what it's all about?
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I always thought "In God We Trust" on money was a sarcastic jibe at fiat currency.
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Isn't that what it's all about?
It's just your run-of-the-mill ****-stirring. He's not even very good at it.

But meanwhile, in Texas...!
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Old 1st September 2022, 01:56 PM   #39
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Originally Posted by Galaxie View Post
I hope the kids deface those posters.
In Godot We Trust?

In God We Truss?

In Gold We Trust?
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
In Godot We Trust?

In God We Truss?

In Gold We Trust?
In God We Trust
All Others Pay Cash...

Sign in many American stores who did not give credit.
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