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Old 1st September 2022, 02:07 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Imagine the reaction if "Trust in Shiva" (or substantive equivalent) had been posted in a Texas classroom.
I am waiting for the Campus Crusade For Chutluhu to strike...
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Old 1st September 2022, 02:08 PM   #42
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In Godot We Trust?

In God We Truss?

In Gold We Trust?

I'd go with Satyr stickers.
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Old 1st September 2022, 02:13 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
I...well, a lot of libs don't believe in that sort of thinking on other educational matters.
Which "other educational matters" are reasonably comparable to teaching religion to children?
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
"In God We Trust" is on US currency.

Seems silly to whine about some posters on a wall, if that is allowed to stand.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust
Thanks for explaining. I couldn't parse the sentence at all, the second word being 'if' instead of 'it' completely confused me.
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Originally Posted by zooterkin View Post
Thanks for explaining. I couldn't parse the sentence at all, the second word being 'if' instead of 'it' completely confused me.

Sorry for the typo. I didn't mean to confuse you.
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Which "other educational matters" are reasonably comparable to teaching religion to children?

These are addressed in plenty of other threads, and I am sure you have an inkling of some of the controversial topics.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Sorry for the typo. I didn't mean to confuse you.
You really expect us to beleive that in Texas, the God "In God We Trust" is not the Christian one????
TO quote Michael Corleone in "The Godfather": "Don't insult my intellifence. It makes me angry".
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
You really expect us to beleive that in Texas, the God "In God We Trust" is not the Christian one????
TO quote Michael Corleone in "The Godfather": "Don't insult my intellifence. It makes me angry".

Where did I say that?

Which God do you think the official motto of the US is referring to?
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
. . .well, a lot of libs don't believe in that sort of thinking on other educational matters. So, maybe this can be a lesson to them.
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Well, there you go again. . .

Another of your bigoted generalizations.
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Obviously you must know how ridiculous that sounds considering the venue we are in, and the viewpoints expressed towards conservatives.
Oh, so somebody over generalized about conservatives and you think that gives you license to pass the bigotry on?

So you are no better than the narrow minded liberals you deplore?
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Oh, so somebody over generalized about conservatives and you think that gives you license to pass the bigotry on?

So you are no better than the narrow minded liberals you deplore?

When in Rome...
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Originally Posted by arayder View Post
Oh, so somebody over generalized about conservatives and you think that gives you license to pass the bigotry on?

So you are no better than the narrow minded liberals you deplore?
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When in Rome...
You had a chance to call out the folks around here who pull the "all those dang conservatives believe [insert generalization]" but, instead decided roll in the mud with them.

Has it occurred to you that you inference that you have a better way fails around here for that reason. . .among others?

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With 81% of those polled believing in a "God" of some sort, what is the problem?

I would like to see posters/signs with the more common languages represented, however. I don't care what the particular religion is. The majority matters, but all religions are equal to me. Most people in this country believe in a "God" of their choosing.

I'm tired of a loud minority dictating policy, on this and other matters.
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With 81% of those polled believing in a "God" of some sort, what is the problem?

I would like to see posters/signs with the more common languages represented, however. I don't care what the particular religion is. The majority matters, but all religions are equal to me. Most people in this country believe in a "God" of their choosing.

I'm tired of a loud minority dictating policy, on this and other matters.
Yes we know you're tired of minorities.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
These are addressed in plenty of other threads, and I am sure you have an inkling of some of the controversial topics.
Evasion noted.

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Which God do you think the official motto of the US is referring to?
We can safely rule out Shiva and the entire Hindu pantheon, since those gods have names. Same goes for the Greco-Roman and other pre-Xn pantheons, for similar reasons. Same for "Allah" which is pronounced differently than "god" even though the meaning is much the same from an atheist perspective.

That leaves only one god standing, that is, the Christian reconceptualization of the Jewish national deity.

(I'm not going to say the name, for obvious reasons.)
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Yes we know you're tired of minorities.
My local school is full of minorities. . Muslims, poor black kids, refugees.

I am sure that to those kids and their families that any strange "We God We Trust" dictates from our mostly white school board would be something from those "other" folks.

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Again what did people think was gonna happen? The Republicans were going to go "Oh noes you trapped us in our own argument, I guess you win?" and not "LOL yeah we're hypocrites whatcha gonna do about it libtards?"
When this first happened, a friend on Facebook asked me how I thought they were going to get out of displaying these posters if the law said they had to. I said they'd just ignore the law, as they're Republicans and don't care about the concept of law, let alone following this one.

Then the GOP just said, 'no we have enough posters' ignoring the law they made.

It would have been fun to make them put up one with the All Father in the background.
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In a world with Salman Rushdie, JK Rowling, Elon Musk, and Donald ******* Trump, this guy barely ranks as the Junior Back Stairs Footman of trolls.
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In a world with Salman Rushdie, JK Rowling, Elon Musk, and Donald ******* Trump, this guy barely ranks as the Junior Back Stairs Footman of trolls.
Those first three folks can be excused on account of sincerity. Trolling (at least in the archaic coinage) was emphatically not a matter of stating propositions which one sincerely believes.
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Looking at the big picture:

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The poll found that 72 percent of self-identified Democrats said they believed in God, compared with 92 percent of Republicans (with independents between at 81 percent).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/relig...d-is-dropping/

Looking at this, it is pretty clear that it is even a minority of libs that don't believe in a "God" of some sort. I don't believe the legislation requires photos of Jesus on the signs, does it?

Some people need to step outside of their little atheist world, and get some fresh air.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Looking at the big picture:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/relig...d-is-dropping/

Looking at this, it is pretty clear that it is even a minority of libs that don't believe in a "God" of some sort. I don't believe the legislation requires photos of Jesus on the signs, does it?

Some people need to step outside of their little atheist world, and get some fresh air.
Is there a point here other than giving you a chance to take cheap shots at some group of people you don't like?
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Is there a point here other than giving you a chance to take cheap shots at some group of people you don't like?

"Cheap shots"? I am suggesting that people look at the big picture.

That includes that "In God We Trust" is the official US motto, it is printed on our currency, and the vast majority of our population believes in a "God" of some sort.

But yet, a small minority is squealing about this and hoping to shape policy.
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Those damn libs are at it again, folks! This war on Christians has got to stop. First they came for our Merry Christmas greetings in stores, then they came for our Christmas decorated Starbuck cups, and then they came for our "In God We Trust" signs in our schools. How are we supposed to fully indoctrinate our children with Christianity if they only get it at home and at church? After all, most Americans believe in God (the real God...not that Allah guy, except maybe for Barack Hussein Obama. But we know he ain't no real American being born in Kenya and all. Amarite or what?
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Those damn libs are at it again, folks! This war on Christians has got to stop. First they came for our Merry Christmas greetings in stores, then they came for our Christmas decorated Starbuck cups, and then they came for our "In God We Trust" signs in our schools. How are we supposed to fully indoctrinate our children with Christianity if they only get it at home and at church? After all, most Americans believe in God (the real God...not that Allah guy, except maybe for Barack Hussein Obama. But we know he ain't no real American being born in Kenya and all. Amarite or what?

Suggesting there is no "war on Christians", while openly mocking them, is pretty amusing.

I don't see this as a "war on Christians". I see it as a refusal to look at the big picture and accept that a relatively small minority does not usually rule policy.
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"Cheap shots"? I am suggesting that people look at the big picture.

That includes that "In God We Trust" is the official US motto, it is printed on our currency, and the vast majority of our population believes in a "God" of some sort.

But yet, a small minority is squealing about this and hoping to shape policy.
When you were getting your right wing indoctrination the propagandists seemingly left out the tenent of American liberty and values which prohibits shoving a state religion down the throats of a religious minority.

Anticipating your next dodge I will say that posting religious slogans all over the public schools constitutes just that.
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"Cheap shots"? I am suggesting that people look at the big picture.

That includes that "In God We Trust" is the official US motto, it is printed on our currency, and the vast majority of our population believes in a "God" of some sort.

But yet, a small minority is squealing about this and hoping to shape policy.
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When you were getting your right wing indoctrination the propagandists seemingly left out the tenent of American liberty and values which prohibits shoving a state religion down the throats of a religious minority.

Anticipating your next dodge I will say that posting religious slogans all over the public schools constitutes just that.

It seems like you aren't receiving the message. It's the official US motto, LOL.
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It seems like you aren't receiving the message. It's the official US motto, LOL.
No, I heard and understood the paper thin ruse.
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It's the official US motto, LOL.
If you think United States ought to tell its citizens to put their faith in the Judeo-Xn deity (rather than, say, Allah) can you please tell us why.
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Suggesting there is no "war on Christians", while openly mocking them, is pretty amusing.
Sigh. Let me 'splain this to you, Lucy, since it's flying right over your head. I'm not mocking "Christians", I'm mocking the stupid law in Texas that is requiring schools display a sign referencing "God". And obviously the Christian God since they have refused to allow a sign that follows the rules for such signs...the only difference was that it was in Arabic. THAT one was not allowed. See if you can figure it out or do you need that explained to you as well?

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I don't see this as a "war on Christians". I see it as a refusal to look at the big picture and accept that a relatively small minority does not usually rule policy.
"Suggesting there is no "war on Christians"....."I don't see this as a "war on Christians."

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It seems like you aren't receiving the message. It's the official US motto, LOL.
It's still a religious slogan.
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It's still a religious slogan.

<sniffle>

Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
That includes that "In God We Trust" is the official US motto, it is printed on our currency, and the vast majority of our population believes in a "God" of some sort.
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<sniffle>
Another reference to your first love: liberal tears.

It's still a religious slogan.

It was always intended as a Christian reference when it was created by Billy Graham and Eisenhower who was converted to Presbyterianism by Graham:

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Last fall in God in America, our joint production with AMERICAN EXPERIENCE, we examined how “In God We Trust” came to be our national motto in 1956. At the heart of the story is an alliance between Rev. Billy Graham and Dwight Eisenhower, who together melded Christianity and patriotism into a weapon to be used against “godless Communism” during the Cold War.

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“You have preachers who draw on politics and politicians who are using religion for their own public policy reasons,” Stephen Prothero of Boston University says in God in America of Graham’s emergence as a political force. “And so the sort of wall of separation of church and state that has been around as an option is going to be gradually, gradually whittled away in this period.”
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/a...-christianity/
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Looking at the big picture:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/relig...d-is-dropping/

Looking at this, it is pretty clear that it is even a minority of libs that don't believe in a "God" of some sort. I don't believe the legislation requires photos of Jesus on the signs, does it?

Some people need to step outside of their little atheist world, and get some fresh air.
People can believe in God and also believe that separation of church and state is a good idea.

Shockingly, some people think forcing religious views on others is a violation of rights, even if you agree with the view.

I know you will never understand such a ridiculous concept as respect for others' rights, but I wanted to try.
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It's not so much a "war on Christians" as it is a war by Christians, who then act like they're the ones being persecuted if we don't smile, bend over, and and thank them while they shove their ******** up our ass.
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"Cheap shots"? I am suggesting that people look at the big picture.

That includes that "In God We Trust" is the official US motto, it is printed on our currency, and the vast majority of our population believes in a "God" of some sort.

But yet, a small minority is squealing about this and hoping to shape policy.
You are correct; the founding fathers of the US were a small but loud minority
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Originally Posted by wareyin View Post

I think Warp is saying that if we don't remove it from our dollar bills then we shouldn't complain about it being required to be posted in schools. It's both a false equivalence (because most of us don't even handle physical money more than a couple times a year while schoolchildren do go to school every day) and a 'you can't complain about one thing unless you fix a much thornier problem first' dodge.

Fine, I say, get the violation of the 1st Amendment off our currency and our school walls.
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When's the last time you handled a dollar bill? I use my debit for everything, and have for years. How often are schoolkids required to walk past the new Christian signs in Texas schools?

Why does a much harder and larger federal change need to be done before we roll back one state's latest new push for Christianity in public schools?
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We know. Of course, it's also printed on every credit and debit card as well. And on all online transactions. So you can rest assured the message is getting out.
Sorry to intrude, but no-one else seems to have picked up on this.
Is the motto really printed on every credit and debit card, as well as online transactions, or was this just a humourous quip?
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Sorry to intrude, but no-one else seems to have picked up on this.
Is the motto really printed on every credit and debit card, as well as online transactions, or was this just a humourous quip?
Yes.
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Yes.
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
We know. Of course, it's also printed on every credit and debit card as well. And on all online transactions. So you can rest assured the message is getting out.
Really? I had no idea. There's nothing on my credit or debit cards to indicate nationality (unless you happen to recognise the issuing bank) nor reference to a particular currency.

Adding mottos to online transactions seems odd too. Is that a "because we should" decision or a "because we must" unintended consequence?

(Edit) okay I didn't get that it was a joke.

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Originally Posted by arayder View Post
Is there a point here other than giving you a chance to take cheap shots at some group of people you don't like?
It's worth noting that one doesn't have to be a supporter of some thing to be entertained by the annoyance it causes opponents.
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Which particular word in the sentence “it should not be the motto of a secular nation” do you continually pretend to fail to understand?
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