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Old 24th February 2020, 01:25 AM   #3041
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A BBC article from a few days ago which looks at what may be involved for UK drivers taking their cars to the EU.

During the transition period there is no change from the existing position, our UK licences are valid in Europe and no insurance green card is required. It's not clear what the situation will be after the end of the transition period but....

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What happens next will depend on negotiations on the future relationship between the UK and the EU.

There will be different arrangements in place for each country - specific advice for each country is available from the government.

Some countries will require drivers to have an International Driving Permit (IDP), especially for longer visits, which may be bought at Post Offices for £5.50. You may also need to carry your UK driving licence
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47459859

and as far as insurance goes.....

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Your UK insurance is still valid for visiting the EEA during the transition period.

It is possible that in 2021, after the transition period is due to end, you may be legally required to get a Green Card from your insurer to prove your car is covered if you are driving in Europe. This will depend on what is agreed in negotiations between the UK and the EU on the future relationship.

The Green Card is only proof of a minimum level of third-party cover - it will not necessarily match the level of cover that you pay for in the UK.
In this case, you'll have to buy additional insurance if you're taking your car abroad and want comprehensive cover.

Then there's the administrivia....

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The government recommends that you have a GB sticker on your car, even if you also have a GB symbol on your number plate.

You'll need to carry your V5C log book with you if you own the car. If it is a car you have hired or leased then you will need to get a VE103 form to show you have permission to take it out of the UK.
...and something I hadn't considered at all...

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Perhaps most inconveniently, if you are involved in a road traffic accident in an EEA country after the end of the transition period, then you may need to make a claim against the responsible driver or their insurer in the country where the accident happened.

And that could involve bringing the claim in the local language.
As Joni Mitchell said "you don't know what you've got til it's gone". None of these things are insurmountable and the costs of addressing them are likely modest but it's yet another case of people really not appreciating the benefits of EU membership.
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Old 24th February 2020, 03:38 AM   #3042
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Even better, the passports will be produced in Poland. The previous red ones? Made by a British company (De La Rue) and produced in Britain, and as a result of the lost contract, they've put 200 jobs at risk
Yeah but De La Rue sounds foreign and poofy, if the Polish company will rename to "Dave Smith Printing" Boris' supporters will cheer it to the rafters.
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Old 24th February 2020, 03:39 AM   #3043
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Boris likes to be seen as Churchillian
Even the talking dog is demeaned by the comparison.
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Old 24th February 2020, 03:41 AM   #3044
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I’ve heard that tight underwear reduces male fertility.
That horse has bolted an indeterminate, by court order, number of times.
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Old 24th February 2020, 03:45 AM   #3045
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Boris likes to be seen as Churchillian
...but most people see him as Bennyhillian
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Old 24th February 2020, 03:55 AM   #3046
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Originally Posted by Lothian View Post
...but most people see him as Bennyhillian
And yet here he is, our Prime Minister, with a thumping majority and a clear mandate to deliver Brexit in whatever way he Dominic Cummings sees fit.

It's interesting (and more than a little depressing) to see the extent to which Boris Johnson and his government is paralleling Donald Trump and his administration. Whether it's inventing new facts, denying the press access, appointing racists advisers or having the security services not trusting you and your cabinet.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51609047
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Old 24th February 2020, 11:13 AM   #3047
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He saw two signs, one saying "EU citizens go here" and another saying "Non-EU citizens this way". He chose according to his wits. (Much like he did in the referendum)
If he chose according to his wits, he’d have expected his own line half way in between the two (much like he did in the referendum).
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Old 24th February 2020, 11:34 AM   #3048
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  • 27% are in education - so at best could do part-time work
Education is a bastion of liberalism. Close down the Universities and force them to get real jobs!
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  • 26% are unable to work due to sickness - almost all are long-term sick
Fakers scamming the system. Go to a US style healthcare and see how many of them get jobs then!
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  • 22% are carers - if you force them to work, you're creating demand elsewhere
Cut the NHS and the reason for them to be caregivers go away. It’s win-win.
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  • 13% are retired - good luck forcing them back into work
Nothing that canceling pensions wouldn’t solve.
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Old 25th February 2020, 12:21 AM   #3049
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UK Environment Secretary refuses to rule out chlorinated chicken and other reductions in food safety:

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The Environment Secretary has refused to rule out chlorinated chicken and hormone-treated beef being imported from the US in a post-Brexit trade deal......
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His predecessor before the recent reshuffle had insisted controversial food products from the States would not be imported amid animal welfare and environmental fears.

But Mr Eustice, while saying there are “no plans” to change the law, did not explicitly rule it out when pressed three times on the subject.
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-02-23/...chicken-in-uk/

My take-aways from this are:
  • All governments "lie" but this one is completely brazen about reversing important decisions
  • The UK will accept any terms from the US, no matter how disadvantageous in order to have a high profile trade deal "win"
  • The resulting changes will make it much more difficult to trade with our biggest partner, the EU, without onerous checks to ensure that exported food complies to EU regulations
  • The UK farmers will find it even more difficult to compete domestically or internationally so unless the Magic Money TreeTM supplies huge agricultural subsidies, those farmers will suffer financially
  • UK consumers will end up with less safe food and/or spending more (once subsidies are factored in)

More Brexit "wins"
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Old 25th February 2020, 08:22 AM   #3050
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Ah yes, but you see, before you were forced to accept rules from 'unelected and undemocratic EU bureaucrats' whereas now you'll be happily accepting whatever will give the most profit to US corporations after they bribed the total democrat Dominic Cummings. So it's a total win.
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Old 26th February 2020, 03:48 AM   #3052
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https://www.fwi.co.uk/business/payme...rt-for-farmers

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Defra confirms reductions in support for farmers

Basic Payments will be reduced by 5-25% next year for farmers in England, the government has confirmed.
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Old 26th February 2020, 04:35 AM   #3053
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Is there any group that campaigned for Brexit, were warned they'd be hurt by Brexit, and is not now campaigning for their group to be given special protection from Brexit?
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Old 26th February 2020, 06:07 AM   #3054
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Doesn't that incentivise farmers ceasing to farm?
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Old 26th February 2020, 06:22 AM   #3055
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So where's our resident Brexiteer to complain about "Remoaners" and "Project Fear"?
No more such gems as:
Originally Posted by ceptimus
We've had chlorinated tap water for ever. Why are people so concerned about chicken? What have been the effects on millions of American chicken eaters, other than perhaps a reduction in the occurrence of salmonella and other food poisoning incidents?
After all what's 55 dead people each year...?
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Old 26th February 2020, 06:32 AM   #3056
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So where's our resident Brexiteer to complain about "Remoaners" and "Project Fear"?
No more such gems as:

After all what's 55 dead people each year...?
As mentioned previously.it is too simplistic to label Ceptimus as just pro brexit. He is very anti unelected bureaucrats. He will be livid about the current Government's approach to sideline ministers and pass the power to Boris's henchman who has puppeteer's hand up the chancellor's arse deciding which industry deserves Government support.
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Old 26th February 2020, 07:25 AM   #3057
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Doesn't that incentivise farmers ceasing to farm?
Which will remove the demand for immigrant labour, joined up thinking!
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Which will remove the demand for immigrant labour, joined up thinking!
While removing the domestic food supply. That will be fun. Chlorinated chicken and hormonal beef forever.
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Old 26th February 2020, 11:14 AM   #3059
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While removing the domestic food supply. That will be fun. Chlorinated chicken and hormonal beef forever.
A lack of domestic food production removes the issues surrounding exports to the EU I suppose

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A lack of domestic food production removes the issues surrounding exports to the EU I suppose :rollyeyes:
Can't export what one doesn't have, I guess.
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Old 26th February 2020, 11:49 AM   #3061
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meanwhile...

https://twitter.com/Joe_Mayes/status...597163008?s=19

Quote:
ndrew Neil tells
@MakeUK_
manufacturing conference that 10 Downing Street is happy to see the end of complex, cross-border supply chains after Brexit.

`Those days are coming to an end',
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Says govt. sees rise of 3D printing, more domestic sourcing as the future
The more I see of Cummings, the more I think he must have read too much science fiction at an impressionable age.
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Well that'll be a shock for the manufacturing industry.

Simply 3D print a gas turbine
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Well that'll be a shock for the manufacturing industry.

Simply 3D print a gas turbine
Actually that is how Caterpillar has started making the fuel injectors for their gas turbines. Selective laser sintering for the win.

Of course that is only one part on them.
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Old 26th February 2020, 02:06 PM   #3064
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Caterpillar have their track shoes made near where I live at the Skinningrove Steel Works.
Many decades ago they worked out a way to use rolled steel section to manufacture machined tracks rather than use castings. They don't last as long but are far cheaper.
Try 3D printing one!
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Old 26th February 2020, 03:25 PM   #3065
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I'm only familiar with hobbyist 3D printers which are very slow. Can industrial ones churn out the thousands of components an hour our manufacturers require ?
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I'm only familiar with hobbyist 3D printers which are very slow. Can industrial ones churn out the thousands of components an hour our manufacturers require ?
No but you only need thousands of components an hour when you are selling 100s of units an hour. Post Brexit tariffs will prevent Europeans buying our stuff and poverty will prevent UK citizens buying our stuff. A couple of £1000 printers should keep up with demand.
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I'm only familiar with hobbyist 3D printers which are very slow. Can industrial ones churn out the thousands of components an hour our manufacturers require ?
You also can't 3D print complex* integrated circuits, so you cannot make things with much intelligence.

I do wonder if it explains the Cabinet.


*Some simple organic circuits have been demonstrated with inkjet type approaches.
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The 3D printer thing is like the whole border thing. Relying on technology whose effectiveness is overestimated and/or whose existence is largely imaginary.

Whether they genuinely believe what they're saying or just hoping people will simply believe them isn't clear to me.
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In response to the EU's release of their Brexit negotiating approach, the UK will be releasing ours and deploying our vast range of negotiating expertise:

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The UK's team will be lead by Mr Johnson's Europe adviser David Frost. The chief negotiator of the Brexit withdrawal agreement, Michel Barnier, will head up the EU's delegation.

Both Mr Frost and the prime minister have said in recent weeks they want to seek a Canada-style agreement with zero tariffs from the EU.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51650961

IMO the UK's after a no-deal Australian style deal we can can blame, and blame the consequences, on the EU
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The 3D printer thing is like the whole border thing. Relying on technology whose effectiveness is overestimated and/or whose existence is largely imaginary.

Whether they genuinely believe what they're saying or just hoping people will simply believe them isn't clear to me.
Unlike border "invisible" checks, printing at least exists and is used with both plastic and metals and has some chance of developing into high volume manufacturing. (Currently it is used for low volume stuff where standard factory option would be too expensive)
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As mentioned previously.it is too simplistic to label Ceptimus as just pro brexit. He is very anti unelected bureaucrats. He will be livid about the current Government's approach to sideline ministers and pass the power to Boris's henchman who has puppeteer's hand up the chancellor's arse deciding which industry deserves Government support.
How likely am I to get moderated if I nominate for pith?
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meanwhile...

https://twitter.com/Joe_Mayes/status...597163008?s=19



The more I see of Cummings, the more I think he must have read too much science fiction at an impressionable age.
Thinks he's an Eloi looks like a Morlock.
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Unlike border "invisible" checks, printing at least exists and is used with both plastic and metals and has some chance of developing into high volume manufacturing. (Currently it is used for low volume stuff where standard factory option would be too expensive)
I'd say that conflating the niche use of printing with bulk manufacture and conflating the use of "invisible" checks in low emission zones with border controls is actually a pretty comparable show of ignorance.
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The UK will walk away from trade talks in June unless we get a pony and a piano

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Michael Gove told MPs the UK wanted to strike a "comprehensive free trade agreement" in nine months.

But the government would not accept any alignment with EU laws as the EU is demanding, with Mr Gove adding: "We will not trade away our sovereignty."
Oh **** !

The EU isn't going to cede that much ground so it looks like a no-deal Australia-style deal with no time to put the necessary border infrastructure in place and no way for UK companies to have time to sort out their supply chains.

Very worrying times indeed.

"No possible downside, only a considerable upside", my well upholstered backside
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The UK will walk away from trade talks in June unless we get a pony and a piano



Oh **** !

The EU isn't going to cede that much ground so it looks like a no-deal Australia-style deal with no time to put the necessary border infrastructure in place and no way for UK companies to have time to sort out their supply chains.

Very worrying times indeed.

"No possible downside, only a considerable upside", my well upholstered backside
So is Gove saying that they are too incompetent to negotiate the "easiest deal in history"?
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So is Gove saying that they are too incompetent to negotiate the "easiest deal in history"?
EU sabotage.
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Caterpillar have their track shoes made near where I live at the Skinningrove Steel Works.
Many decades ago they worked out a way to use rolled steel section to manufacture machined tracks rather than use castings. They don't last as long but are far cheaper.
Try 3D printing one!
Best way there would be using the 3d printing on to make castings. They used that when they needed to make a change as a part was poorly designed and so for replacements could be cast with 3d printing the sand molds while actual patterns where being made up.

It is interesting and has a lot of potential but it is far from some magic manufacturing bullet, though additive manufacturing will show up in more and more places.
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I'm only familiar with hobbyist 3D printers which are very slow. Can industrial ones churn out the thousands of components an hour our manufacturers require ?
Not at all. It is the realm of high complexity parts for volume production or small short runs to cut on tooling costs.
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Unlike border "invisible" checks, printing at least exists and is used with both plastic and metals and has some chance of developing into high volume manufacturing. (Currently it is used for low volume stuff where standard factory option would be too expensive)
I would say relatively unlikely, molding and stamping are just so efficient that I don't see 3d printing competing. But it offers useful new options and capibilities.
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