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Old 30th June 2020, 10:55 PM   #1
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QAnon crazy wins GOP primary

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Lauren Boebert, a political novice and gun-rights activist who has spoken approvingly of the pro-Trump conspiracy theory QAnon, claimed an upset primary victory on Tuesday night against Representative Scott Tipton of Colorado, unseating a five-term incumbent endorsed by President Trump.
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What are they going to do when Trump is out of office?
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What are her chances in the general election?
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Originally Posted by timhau View Post
What are her chances in the general election?
Reading the OP:

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unseating a five-term incumbent
I'd say her chances of election are excellent

Scott Tipton has polled in the mid-50's percent, his Democratic Party challenger in the low to mid 40's percent

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_U...ado#District_3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_U...ado#District_3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_U...ado#District_3


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It is worrying that an increasing number of GOP Congress People, a sizeable minority, will likely be QAnon believers after the 2020 elections.



edited again to add......

How long will it be before "QAnon Crazy" is superseded by "Mainstream Republican QAnon believer" ?

The religious right used to be the "crazies" in the GOP - then they became the mainstream

The Tea Party used to be the "crazies" in the GOP - then they became the mainstream

Now it's the QAnon believers.

What's next ? Openly white supremacists ? Flat Earthers ?

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I'd say her chances of election are excellent

Scott Tipton has polled in the mid-50's percent, his Democratic Party challenger in the low to mid 40's percent
The real question is whether that carries over when the candidate isn't Tipton. Primary voters may be a very different from the general electorate, hence the question.
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Originally Posted by timhau View Post
The real question is whether that carries over when the candidate isn't Tipton. Primary voters may be a very different from the general electorate, hence the question.
The third district leans strongly Republican so IMO they'll vote for her just as readily as they voted for her predecessor.
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post

It is worrying that an increasing number of GOP Congress People, a sizeable minority, will likely be QAnon believers after the 2020 elections.


It's going to be especially odd if these Q congresspeople win an election if Trump loses reelection. The Trump POTUS plays an important role in the Q conspiracy. Him leaving the office, especially if decisively beaten as some polls are predicting, without realizing whatever "Storm" that Q has been predicting is going to lead to a hairpin turn for the conspiracy. These congresspeople could be entering Congress at the exact moment of repudiation of the Q conspiracy.

I'm sure the true believers will find a way to continue the conspiracy, either by rationalizing the loss or downplaying the importance of Trump to the grander plot.

I am curious how many of these Q congresspeople are "true believers". As reps, they will have access to government records. Will a complete lack of corroborating evidence change their minds?
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We're acting like a Qanon crazy didn't win the Presidency. This is small potatoes.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
We're acting like a Qanon crazy didn't win the Presidency. This is small potatoes.
According to some Q-less people, Trump is the real author of the Q posts!
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Tipton was endorsed by Trump. Bet we don't hear about Trump's endorsement record of xx-0 anytime soon.
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It will be interesting how the other factions react. Mainstream Republicans will probably pander to them simply out of fear for their own careers/safety.

With increased gains by the progressive wing, how will mainstream Dems react? Going more to the left will increase the rhetoric from the right. the problem is, the progressive agenda is currently getting popular, so it can't be ignored.
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
I am curious how many of these Q congresspeople are "true believers". As reps, they will have access to government records. Will a complete lack of corroborating evidence change their minds?
No, the lack of evidence will be clear proof about how deep the conspiracy runs and how effective TPTB are at covering it up.
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Tipton was endorsed by Trump. Bet we don't hear about Trump's endorsement record of xx-0 anytime soon.
I suspect we haven't heard the last of those claims...

He will either outright lie (Tipton? Never heard of him) or come up with a new definition of "perfect" (like "I have a perfect endorsement record.. for candidates whose name starts with a vowel... When I have given the endorsement during a full moon".)

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Going more to the left will increase the rhetoric from the right.

Does anything at all seem to indicate that right-wingers are somehow appeased by Hillary Clinton but upset by AOC or Bernie Sanders? Sanders seems to be much better at reaching out to them than Biden.
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Does anything at all seem to indicate that right-wingers are somehow appeased by Hillary Clinton but upset by AOC or Bernie Sanders? Sanders seems to be much better at reaching out to them than Biden.
I don't think Sanders was reaching out to "right wingers". The overlap between berniebros and trumpanzees was not over policy, but an anti-establishment "burn it all down" mentality.

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I think the number of people who really make these sort of "Oh the other side has gotten this crazy, therefore I have to push my side to be this crazy to balance" conscious decisions is nowhere near as big as the internet thinks it is.

People in the real world are hugely tribalistic, but they don't put nearly as much intentional thought or efforting to justifying it or clarifying it as online political fandoms do.
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Tipton was endorsed by Trump. Bet we don't hear about Trump's endorsement record of xx-0 anytime soon.
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I suspect we haven't heard the last of those claims...

He will either outright lie (Tipton? Never heard of him) or come up with a new definition of "perfect" (like "I have a perfect endorsement record.. for candidates whose name starts with a vowel... When I have given the endorsement during a full moon".)

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I think the number of people who really make these sort of "Oh the other side has gotten this crazy, therefore I have to push my side to be this crazy to balance" conscious decisions is nowhere near as big as the internet thinks it is.

People in the real world are hugely tribalistic, but they don't put nearly as much intentional thought or efforting to justifying it or clarifying it as online political fandoms do.

I think we're seeing radicalizing, both left and right, because there is a growing perception that the centrist liberals and conservatives are not up to the challenges of the moment.

The QAnon movement harnesses that intense distrust of our leadership class and diverts it down a bizarre conspiracy rabit-hole. But the initial instinct, that our leaders do not represent our best interests, is not a fantasy.
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I think we're seeing radicalizing, both left and right, because there is a growing perception that the centrist liberals and conservatives are not up to the challenges of the moment.
You mean the perception that you harp on every second of every day every chance you get? That perception might be leading to radicalization?

It's all nonsense anyway. Reality is not a straight Left to Right scale representable by some dot on it.

If your want your house at 70 degrees and it's at 60, you set the thermostat to 70, you don't set your house on fire to even it out quicker.

Political thinking on the level of "Well the recipe says to put turkey in the oven for 4 hours at 300 degrees, so logically 1 hour at 1,200 degrees should achieve the exact same results" make me nervous.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
You mean the perception that you harp on every second of every day every chance you get? That perception might be leading to radicalization?

It's all nonsense anyway. Reality is not a straight Left to Right scale representable by some dot on it.

If your want your house at 70 degrees and it's at 60, you set the thermostat to 70, you don't set your house on fire to even it out quicker.

Political thinking on the level of "Well the recipe says to put turkey in the oven for 4 hours at 300 degrees, so logically 1 hour at 1,200 degrees should achieve the exact same results" make me nervous.
Yes, my posting is responsible for this moment of political instability we are experiencing in the US. Finally the recognition I crave.

Do you not perceive that there is growing dissatisfaction, within both sides of our two-party system, that the status-quo is no longer acceptable?

Obviously this is true for the Republicans, which elected a charlatan flirting with authoritarianism. Meanwhile the Democrats struggle to find anyone under the age of 50 that wants anything to do with the party establishment.
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Does anything at all seem to indicate that right-wingers are somehow appeased by Hillary Clinton but upset by AOC or Bernie Sanders? Sanders seems to be much better at reaching out to them than Biden.
Are you kidding? Have you heard all the red-baiting? McConnell has gone on tV and said Joe Biden is bringing socialism to the Oval Office. the only time the GOP has anything nice to say about Sanders is when they are trying to talk about the primary process and perception of it being rigged.
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I think the number of people who really make these sort of "Oh the other side has gotten this crazy, therefore I have to push my side to be this crazy to balance" conscious decisions is nowhere near as big as the internet thinks it is.
The internet is generally a poor reflection of reality.
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Slyjoe is giving Trump too much credit. He's been lying about it for a long time.
Oh I know. It appears once in a while someone tells him to lay off a certain topic for a little bit. His endorsement record will be hushed for a while.
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The real question is whether that carries over when the candidate isn't Tipton. Primary voters may be a very different from the general electorate, hence the question.

THIS,
FOr the record, last election in that district was very close. Dems see this as a very possible pickup.
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I think the number of people who really make these sort of "Oh the other side has gotten this crazy, therefore I have to push my side to be this crazy to balance" conscious decisions is nowhere near as big as the internet thinks it is.
You're asserting that it would be a conscious decision. It's reactionary.

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The real world? We're not talking about the "average" person. We're talking about the people actually running the major parties.
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We're talking about the people actually running the major parties.
No I'm talking about people on the internet that need to stick their head outside into meat space and take a breath of fresh air and realize that insular, online, anonymous, consequence free discourse is not how the real world operates and the people running the parties are generally not, nor should be, appealing to us.

99% of the rank and file people in America don't care where Biden or Trump rank on some Buzzfeed Internet "How Left/Right are you?" quiz.

The internet feeds "I'm more X than you" type of arguments. Real life tires of them very, very quickly.
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No I'm talking about people on the internet that need to stick their head outside into meat space and take a breath of fresh air and realize that insular, online, anonymous, consequence free discourse is not how the real world operates and the people running the parties are generally not, nor should be, appealing to us.
Not about appealing to extremely online people. It's about seeing warning signs. When I have middle-aged and retirement age family members sharing videos of Candace Ownes and Ben Shapiro talking about their "great points", I get concerned. When you have a president spouting off like an unmoderated comment section to distract people from the GOP packing the courts, there is a problem.

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Not what we're talking about. I'm talking about the ******* crazy talking points that start of 4chan and find their way onto primetime television.

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You understand this thread is about several of those types winning primaries and most likely congressional seats, right? It doesn't matter if no one talks to them at parties. It matters that they manage to game their way into elected and appointed office.
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Not about appealing to extremely online people. It's about seeing warning signs. When I have middle-aged and retirement age family members sharing videos of Candace Ownes and Ben Shapiro talking about their "great points", I get concerned. When you have a president spouting off like an unmoderated comment section to distract people from the GOP packing the courts, there is a problem.



Not what we're talking about. I'm talking about the ******* crazy talking points that start of 4chan and find their way onto primetime television.



You understand this thread is about several of those types winning primaries and most likely congressional seats, right? It doesn't matter if no one talks to them at parties. It matters that they manage to game their way into elected and appointed office.
He's not trying to distract from that. He brags about it. He's especially proud of how many more judges he's appointed than Obama, ignoring that MitchTheTurtle basically wouldn't allow the Senate to confirm them.
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Wow. She owns a gun-themed restaurant called Shooters Grill. Where the gimmick is that all the waiters are armed. In Rifle, Colorado.

Which is all fine, but somehow they aren't using the slogan "Come to Shooters Grill, and get a belly full of lead!"

And for that reason alone, I must oppose her candidacy.
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He's not trying to distract from that. He brags about it. He's especially proud of how many more judges he's appointed than Obama, ignoring that MitchTheTurtle basically wouldn't allow the Senate to confirm them.
But that's not what the news in "the real world" talks about. Ya, they mention it, but, mother of god, CNN will dedicate 23 hours and 30 minutes a day to every stupid, racist, reactionary tweet from Trump and throw out a "ya, and he's appointing a record number of judges". And then FOX will talk about the outrage online about said tweets. And then the traditional networks will pontificate about it all on Sunday mornings. The media seem to be the ones caught up in extremely online discussions while ignoring the very real dangers that you can see coming from online. Using it as a way to dismiss real grassroots movements. And then [long, somewhat unhinged rant about the failures of modern media].

I should say that a I agree that there are a lot of very online people who have their heads up their own nethers. And there does seem to be an outrage industry in which people on the left and right feed into each other for mutual profit. And there is also a massive signal to noise ratio problem. But, I don't buy this notion that you can just out of hand dismiss what happens online as "not the real world". The internet is a communication medium and this is what some folks are communicating.
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Does anything at all seem to indicate that right-wingers are somehow appeased by Hillary Clinton but upset by AOC or Bernie Sanders? Sanders seems to be much better at reaching out to them than Biden.
Are you kidding? Have you heard all the red-baiting? McConnell has gone on tV and said Joe Biden is bringing socialism to the Oval Office. the only time the GOP has anything nice to say about Sanders is when they are trying to talk about the primary process and perception of it being rigged.

You don't seem to notice that you are proving my point.
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You don't seem to notice that you are proving my point.
I am curious what the right would say if we actually had a black, muslim, crypto-marxist president married to a trans woman. That's how they responded to Obama's brand of mild centrism. What insults have they left for a real lefty degenerate?
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You don't seem to notice that you are proving my point.
How? How does it prove your point that Republican leadership is equating the centrist Democrat with a caricature of the progressive wing of the Dems? How does it disprove the notion that if centrist Dems tried to actually reach out to progressives, the mainstream Republicans would crank up the rhetoric?
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Nearly 600,000 people have voted for candidates who support QAnon
The overlap of Q supporters with Trump’s base of support is not a coincidence.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...support-qanon/
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Nearly 600,000 people have voted for candidates who support QAnon
The overlap of Q supporters with Trump’s base of support is not a coincidence.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...support-qanon/
Just goes to show that a large amount of people in this country are...ahem...stupid.
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THIS,
FOr the record, last election in that district was very close. Dems see this as a very possible pickup.
Not that close IMO. The wiki pages I linked upthread give the last 3 election results. For sure the Democrats halved his margin to "only" 8% but that's still a healthy margin during a "Blue Wave".

It's not unwinnable for the Democrats, but it'll be a stretch.
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Not that close IMO. The wiki pages I linked upthread give the last 3 election results. For sure the Democrats halved his margin to "only" 8% but that's still a healthy margin during a "Blue Wave".

It's not unwinnable for the Democrats, but it'll be a stretch.
As soon as this person start *cough* shooting off her mouth, the stretch will become easier and easier.
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As soon as this person start *cough* shooting off her mouth, the stretch will become easier and easier.
That presumes that a significant proportion of people actually listen to, and care about, what the candidate says as opposed to just voting for a party and/or getting all their information from that candidate's TV campaign ads.

The Colorado 3rd district has been reliably Republican for the last 10 years. It's a rural district which again tends to suggest that it leans conservative. There are a lot of people there who will vote for the party, not any specific candidate.

The 2018 House elections represented a pretty good "blue wave" and yet the GOP held onto a healthy 8 point majority - interestingly the Democratic Party candidate actually polled fewer votes in 2018 than they did in 2016.


edited to add......

IMO her stance on the second amendment and open carry is going to garner her support, her anti-establishment stance is also going to endear her to the Western Colorado electorate and the fact that she's not unattractive won't hurt her chances among old white men.

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