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Old 28th May 2020, 08:06 PM   #361
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Ok. I'm not reading much about this on the net and not reading every post in this thread. Last I heard he had not died at the scene.
He would have been declared dead at the scene (which would have been taped off and attended by homicide cops) if it hadn't been a police officer who did the murder. After all, no need to preserve evidence for a case the cops don't want to make.

Had that scumbag been taken from the scene in cuffs, there probably would have been no civil unrest.
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Old 28th May 2020, 08:07 PM   #362
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Whelp, Minneapolis is burning in pretty colors right now, courtesy of NBC.

Totally missed the opportunity to call this thread Murdered By Police While Black
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Old 28th May 2020, 08:13 PM   #363
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Whelp, Minneapolis is burning in pretty colors right now, courtesy of NBC.

Totally missed the opportunity to call this thread Murdered By Police While Black
So vibrant.

Do you feel enriched yet? I feel enriched.
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Old 28th May 2020, 08:17 PM   #364
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So vibrant.

Do you feel enriched yet? I feel enriched.
I feel like that cop is going to be found in a shallow grave if the public gets a hold of him
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Old 28th May 2020, 08:19 PM   #365
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The ex identified him (the provocateur) immediately & without question, apparently before she knew what the photo is from.

https://twitter.com/dyllyp/status/1266167967865286656

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Old 28th May 2020, 08:25 PM   #366
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Originally Posted by Ranb View Post
Ok. I'm not reading much about this on the net and not reading every post in this thread. Last I heard he had not died at the scene.

Reports are that he had no pulse at the scene. That may not be literally dead when modern medical technology is at hand, but close enough for most purposes.
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A report from the Minneapolis Fire Department shows George Floyd was unresponsive when emergency medical personnel transferred him into an ambulance at the site of his violent arrest on Monday.

The department's notes, which were shared to Twitter Wednesday afternoon by KARE reporter Lou Raguse, describe Floyd as "pulseless" upon its crew members' arrival to assist in his hospital transport.
https://www.newsweek.com/george-floy...rtment-1506941
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Old 28th May 2020, 08:27 PM   #367
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The ex identified him immediately & without question, apparently before she knew what the photo is from.
https://twitter.com/dyllyp/status/1266167967865286656
I have to say that this is one of the silliest conspiracy theories I've seen in quite some time.

Okay, so the narrative is that a white cop was hidden among the numerous, numerous, numerous clearly authentic, mostly black rioters / looters - and that this individual, or a few like him, are the ones who are responsible for arson and theft and vandalism getting started?

Pardon, but we have numerous videos of black rioters engaging in all of those activities. Breaking into store windows, setting fires, you name it.

And this is what those same type of people have done at all the previous incidents like this too. Ferguson, Milwaukee, Baltimore, and back through the decades. This is not an aspect of these which ever fails to happen. It is always an included part.

Now because someone tells me they're "90% sure" they have successfully identified this guy in a mask, covered nearly head to toe, as someone they know and who is a cop - I'm supposed to buy into some elaborate conspiracy theory that already cannot be true based on other evidence about who started and participated in these things?

I doubt that's the same guy. I suspect the person who was filmed was a white antifa type guy who had an umbrella for tear gas deflection, same with the gas mask. To be honest, I didn't even see him vandalizing on the video, let alone starting a fire. If he did do vandalism on the video, or just prior to it... then that fits with him being antifa, not a cop.

Why on Earth would a handful of cops seed themselves throughout this mass riot / loot fest to start fires and do vandalism? Why would they risk being caught and beaten to death by these folks? Why would they risk their lives, jobs, and the credibility of their entire side of this conflict... to do something that was guaranteed to happen anyway? Something we have video evidence of being done by the authentic mob!

Pleaaaaase lay this narrative out for me. I'm dying to hear this presented in a way that makes one iota of sense. Seriously.

Nah, this is a narrative for white liberals who don't want to view black rioters / looters in a realistic light. They need these people to be taking righteous action with moral motive, and they don't like when that bubble gets popped (and it never doesn't get popped.)

Pure silliness. They are PROUD of what they're doing. Don't take that from them, especially with sauce this weak.
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Old 28th May 2020, 08:31 PM   #368
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Ex-cop turned lawyer who defends cops says Chauvin should have been arrested at the scene.
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Former D.C. police detective and defense attorney Ted Williams told "Bill Hemmer Reports" Thursday that a Minneapolis police officer filmed with his knee on the neck of George Floyd earlier this week should been arrested and charged "right there on the scene."

I've represented police officers that are charged with excessive force," Williams told host Bill Hemmer. "But when I look at this situation here, the big question is, should this officer, Derek Chauvin, have been charged right there on the scene, once they looked at the video?

"And my answer is a resounding yes, he should have been charged."
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Old 28th May 2020, 08:34 PM   #369
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
Ex-cop turned lawyer who defends cops says Chauvin should have been arrested at the scene.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/george...ld-be-arrested
Where are the Derek Chauvin supporters? Any Chauvinists in the house?
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Old 28th May 2020, 08:44 PM   #370
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Where are the Derek Chauvin supporters? Any Chauvinists in the house?
Well, there's Skeptic Tank. Others have the taste to keep it to themselves.
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Old 28th May 2020, 08:45 PM   #371
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Okay, so the narrative is that a white cop was hidden among the numerous, numerous, numerous clearly authentic, mostly black rioters / looters - and that this individual, or a few like him, are the ones who are responsible for arson and theft and vandalism getting started?
No.

The "narrative" is that nobody was smashing windows and starting fires until this guy.

It's funny how in your fantasy-world these black looters in Minneapolis don't even really care about the dead innocent black man and are just using him as an excuse to loot and destroy like they've always wanted, and yet in the end it's a white man - allegedly, a cop no less - that has to actually start breaking things.
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Old 28th May 2020, 08:52 PM   #372
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Why on Earth
Your racism has left you predisposed to ignorance. Look up agents provocateur and do some reading.
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Old 28th May 2020, 08:54 PM   #373
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No.

The "narrative" is that nobody was smashing windows and starting fires until this guy.

It's funny how in your fantasy-world these black looters in Minneapolis don't even really care about the dead innocent black man and are just using him as an excuse to loot and destroy like they've always wanted, and yet in the end it's a white man - allegedly, a cop no less - that has to actually start breaking things.
Wait, huh?

I'm saying the narrative about cop(s) being involved in / starting the fires and breaking of windows is absurd.

You're under the impression that I am pushing that narrative?

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Your racism has left you predisposed to ignorance. Look up agents provocateur and do some reading.
Oh please though, this is a great opportunity to educate me in front of everyone - I'll really be shown up.

Please, please lay out for me the scenario and the logic behind Minneapolis PD seeding police agents provocateur among the rioters / looters to do things that were happening on a massive scale anyway?

I am literally begging you, make this make a shred of sense for me.

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Old 28th May 2020, 09:15 PM   #374
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If he repeatedly says "I can't breathe" he can breathe.
That's just not true. I've often wondered what it's like to be a horrible person. Never mind. Don't share.
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Old 28th May 2020, 09:17 PM   #375
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Video of the 3rd police precinct being abandoned by cops, and it is apparently now being burned down by the mob - now that it's unprotected / unmanned:

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Such noble, civic minded people - just pushing back against injustice!

ETA: Shots fired at Louisville, KY riot

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Old 28th May 2020, 09:26 PM   #376
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What do people think "No Justice, No Peace" actually means?
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Ex-cop turned lawyer who defends cops says Chauvin should have been arrested at the scene.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/george...ld-be-arrested
You spelled 'slowly suffocated' wrong.
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MSNBC has new video showing all four cops surrounding Floyd on the ground as he begs to sit up:
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/ne...ce-84061253930
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Old 28th May 2020, 09:29 PM   #379
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Whelp, Minneapolis is burning in pretty colors right now, courtesy of NBC.

Totally missed the opportunity to call this thread Murdered By Police While Black
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So vibrant.

Do you feel enriched yet? I feel enriched.
That's my city you're so flippant about, god damn it.

I've been to several of those places that are likely to be reduced to ashes by the morning. With the wind whipping up, who knows how these fires may spread. The Fire Department can't get in to contain them. They tried, but had to leave for fear of their own safety. Not from the fire -- from the protesters.
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What do people think "No Justice, No Peace" actually means?
Oh, oh! I know! I know!

It actually means a thinly veiled excuse to have an orgy of criminality for people whose lives are filled with constant criminality spread out over time, and who find it fun to do it in a communal way, on a larger scale, more destructive, more brazen, more exciting. All the better to have the ability to frame it as somehow noble, lol.

The narrative that there is "no justice" is bull.

A guy accidentally died while resisting arrest. It ain't cool, it ain't right - but it's not that big of a deal. Certainly not a justification for a nationwide orgy of riot and destruction, which appears to be either what is already going on, or what they're trying to turn it into. It's certainly that in some areas already.

Lots and lots of white people are killed by police. More than blacks. Admittedly, blacks are killed more percentage wise, but that's not exactly surprising.

Does the fact that a lot of whites are killed by cops mean whites have "no justice" ???

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That's my city you're so flippant about, god damn it.

I've been to several of those places that are likely to be reduced to ashes by the morning. With the wind whipping up, who knows how these fires may spread. The Fire Department can't get in to contain them. They tried, but had to leave for fear of their own safety. Not from the fire -- from the protesters.
I'm not flippant. I'm pissed off. At cops who murder with impunity and cover for each other.

Be safe man.
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Ex-cop turned lawyer who defends cops says Chauvin should have been arrested at the scene.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/george...ld-be-arrested
Well, gee whiz, if somebody says so it must be important.
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That's my city you're so flippant about, god damn it.

I've been to several of those places that are likely to be reduced to ashes by the morning. With the wind whipping up, who knows how these fires may spread. The Fire Department can't get in to contain them. They tried, but had to leave for fear of their own safety. Not from the fire -- from the protesters.
You might be surprised how seriously I take this, in my inner core. I have had to learn to laugh at just how lost and screwed our society is now. The darkness of it is unendurable without that defense mechanism.

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That's my city you're so flippant about, god damn it.
I'm sorry, but it's not. It's theirs.
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The narrative that there is "no justice" is bull.
Nope.

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A guy accidentally died while resisting arrest.
Nope.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Tank View Post
Oh, oh! I know! I know!

It actually means a thinly veiled excuse to have an orgy of criminality for people whose lives are filled with constant criminality spread out over time, and who find it fun to do it in a communal way, on a larger scale, more destructive, more brazen, more exciting. All the better to have the ability to frame it as somehow noble, lol.

The narrative that there is "no justice" is bull.

A guy accidentally died while resisting arrest. It ain't cool, it ain't right - but it's not that big of a deal. Certainly not a justification for a nationwide orgy of riot and destruction, which appears to be either what is already going on, or what they're trying to turn it into. It's certainly that in some areas already.

Lots and lots of white people are killed by police. More than blacks. Admittedly, blacks are killed more percentage wise, but that's not exactly surprising.

Does the fact that a lot of whites are killed by cops mean whites have "no justice" ???
Jesus Christ, dude, that was not an accidental killing. Chauvin cold bloodedly killed that guy while his buddies ran interference against those who specifically pointed it out to them. This was not an accident
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I'm sorry, but it's not. It's theirs.
To clarify, by "theirs" here, he means dirty evil black people.
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A Minneapolis city councilwoman is saying on MSNBC that both Floyd and Chauvin worked as bouncers at the same restaurant and knew each other. If that's true it's all even crazier.
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A former club owner in south Minneapolis says the now-fired police officer and the black man who died in his custody this week both worked security for her club up to the end of last year.

George Floyd and now-former Officer Derek Chauvin both worked security at the El Nuevo Rodeo club on Lake Street, according to Maya Santamaria. Santamaria owned the building for nearly two decades, but sold the venue within the last few months.

"Chauvin was our off-duty police for almost the entirety of the 17 years that we were open," Santamaria said. "They were working together at the same time, it's just that Chauvin worked outside and the security guards were inside."
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Jesus Christ, dude, that was not an accidental killing. Chauvin cold bloodedly killed that guy while his buddies ran interference against those who specifically pointed it out to them. This was not an accident
Think for a moment about what you're saying.

"This was not an accident" ... for real?

So, that can only mean one thing. You are telling me right now that these cops, while being filmed by multiple people, decided "know what? this black guy dies right here, right now. I've had it with these counterfeit twenty dollar bills. I'm going to choke the life out of this man and there's not a thing anyone can do to stop me! muhahahahaha!"

C'mon. Get serious. It is quite clear it was accidental. He thought he was immobilizing him, and he screwed up bad. Maybe he's done the same thing to other perps before and it went fine, maybe not. Don't know. What I do know, though, is these cops did not decide they were going to kill him.
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A guy accidentally died while resisting arrest.
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It was obviously no accident that Chauvin kept his knee on Flloyd's throat for almost 10 minutes, and there is no proof except the cop's own claims that he was resisting arrest.
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A Minneapolis city councilwoman is saying on MSNBC that both Floyd and Chauvin worked as bouncers at the same restaurant and knew each other. If that's true it's all even crazier.
They both worked there but she did NOT say they knew each other:

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Although the two overlapped working security on popular music nights within the last year, Santamaria can not say for certain they knew each other because there were often a couple dozen security guards, including off-duty officers.

Santamaria says she did not recognize either one of her security guards in the video showing Chauvin kneeling on Floyd's neck not far from where they used to work.

"My friend sent me (the video) and said this is your guy who used to work for you and I said, 'It's not him.' And then they did the closeup and that's when I said, 'Oh my God, that's him,'" Santamaria said. "I didn't recognize George as one of our security guys because he looked really different lying there like that."
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Think for a moment about what you're saying.

"This was not an accident" ... for real?

So, that can only mean one thing. You are telling me right now that these cops, while being filmed by multiple people, decided "know what? this black guy dies right here, right now. I've had it with these counterfeit twenty dollar bills. I'm going to choke the life out of this man and there's not a thing anyone can do to stop me! muhahahahaha!"

C'mon. Get serious. It is quite clear it was accidental. He thought he was immobilizing him, and he screwed up bad. Maybe he's done the same thing to other perps before and it went fine, maybe not. Don't know. What I do know, though, is these cops did not decide they were going to kill him.
No. All of that would require some humanity, deep down in there somewhere near that gaping hole where their souls should be.

What Chauvin thought was '**** this animal. I don't care if it lives or dies'.
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Think for a moment about what you're saying.

"This was not an accident" ... for real?
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A death that results from willful negligence and misconduct is not an accident. It might not be first-degree murder, but it's not an act of God either. The cops had no justification to do what they deliberately did. That's why it's not an accident.
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No. All of that would require some humanity, deep down in there somewhere near that gaping hole where their souls should be.

What Chauvin thought was '**** this animal. I don't care if it lives or dies'.
Right, because in 2020 after years of Trayvons and Michael Browns and the Baltimore guy and countless others the media drew attention to, a white cop being filmed by a group of mostly black people with their phones out... didn't care one way or the other whether the guy he was on top of lived or died.

Not even out of self-interest / not wanting his life totally destroyed as it is now.

Sure, that makes loads of sense!
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No.

The "narrative" is that nobody was smashing windows and starting fires until this guy.

It's funny how in your fantasy-world these black looters in Minneapolis don't even really care about the dead innocent black man and are just using him as an excuse to loot and destroy like they've always wanted, and yet in the end it's a white man - allegedly, a cop no less - that has to actually start breaking things.
So you're going with the "black people can't do anything until whitey tells them what to do" theory of civil unrest?
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Old 28th May 2020, 09:52 PM   #396
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Right, because in 2020 after years of Trayvons and Michael Browns and the Baltimore guy and countless others the media drew attention to, a white cop being filmed by a group of mostly black people with their phones out... didn't care one way or the other whether the guy he was on top of lived or died.

Not even out of self-interest / not wanting his life totally destroyed as it is now.

Sure, that makes loads of sense!
LOL, he's actually going with "don't be silly, white cops are too afraid to be racist to black people now". Incredible!
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They both worked there but she did NOT say they knew each other:
Having worked security at bars (in 3 countries), I can say with full certainty that they at least KNEW eachother, but to what degree is up for debate. But for a bar to have no communication among security is silly.
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Having worked security at bars (in 3 countries), I can say with full certainty that they at least KNEW eachother, but to what degree is up for debate. But for a bar to have no communication among security is silly.
Sounds like the cop was the contracted police officer outside the building, the deceased was a bouncer inside. The cop may have, at most, known him as "that big black guy bouncer I see from a distance occasionally."

Hard to say.
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A Minneapolis city councilwoman is saying on MSNBC that both Floyd and Chauvin worked as bouncers at the same restaurant and knew each other. If that's true it's all even crazier.

https://kstp.com/news/george-floyd-f...-2020/5743990/
The story references the club owner saying that but not a Minneapolis city council woman. Is the club owner on the city council? If true, that does make this even crazier.
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For anyone not on Twitter right now, lots of stuff out there indicating things such as:
  • Ohio State House stormed
  • Police precint mentioned earlier is being blown up
  • "Females being taken" in some kidnapping (likely rape) possibly from a store
  • Looks like lots of people getting shot / shot at in multiple cities

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