White House Survivor - Page 6

dudalb · 25th August 2017, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Stacko

Has anyone explained what, exactly, Gorka did in the White House beside TV hits? Was his role just to say stupid things that stroke President Goldfish's ego?

Pretty much what you said.

Craig4 · 25th August 2017, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Stacko

Has anyone explained what, exactly, Gorka did in the White House beside TV hits? Was his role just to say stupid things that stroke President Goldfish's ego?

Hard to say. He was supposed to be a counter terrorism advisor but it doesn't seem like he got invited to those meetings after McMaster came in. I suspect that he and Bannon were in their own little, private cabinet while the grown-ups met elsewhere.

alfaniner · 25th August 2017, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by alfaniner

The media has got to come up with a catchy name for the current events, like "The Summer Scourge". (OK, not so catchy).

OK, considering the events of this Friday evening, how about "Hairmageddon"?

dudalb · 25th August 2017, 08:11 PM

Gorka might proved some comic relief in an otherwise somber evening.White House is saying that Gorka did NOT resign, but was involuntarily removed but Gorka is insisting that he resigned. Classic "You Can't Fire Me, I Quit!". And for the first time, I actually believe the White House......

Regnad Kcin · 25th August 2017, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by alfaniner

The media has got to come up with a catchy name for the current events, like "The Summer Scourge". (OK, not so catchy).

"Game of Throwns."

Craig4 · 26th August 2017, 03:44 AM

I'm going back to Kushner. He's the only person present at the meeting where collusion with the Russians began still in the administration. That will make it too hot for Jared once we refocus on Russia.

Trebuchet · 26th August 2017, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

I'm going back to Kushner. He's the only person present at the meeting where collusion with the Russians began still in the administration. That will make it too hot for Jared once we refocus on Russia.

Except he's family. Unless Ivanka dumps him he's safe.

How about Sarah Huckabee? Not much speculation about her, compared to her predecessor.

quadraginta · 26th August 2017, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Except he's family. Unless Ivanka dumps him he's safe.

How about Sarah Huckabee? Not much speculation about her, compared to her predecessor.

She keeps her head down. Doesn't contradict the Donald, and isn't too flamboyant.

She'll leave when she gets tired of the public ridicule, but doesn't seem to be showing any signs of that yet.

dudalb · 26th August 2017, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

I'm going back to Kushner. He's the only person present at the meeting where collusion with the Russians began still in the administration. That will make it too hot for Jared once we refocus on Russia.

Does Kushner even hold an official White House permanent postion?

I actually put Cohn high on the list of people who might just quite because they have had enough of Donald Trump.

jimbob · 26th August 2017, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by d4m10n

DAMN IT ALL

Can you please make a prediction that Trump will be next, and then change it?

Million dollar challenge and all that.

Trebuchet · 26th August 2017, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Does Kushner even hold an official White House permanent postion?

I actually put Cohn high on the list of people who might just quite because they have had enough of Donald Trump.

My recollection is that Kushner does but Ivanka actually doesn't, because of nepotism laws passed after JFK appointed his brother AG. Not sure about that however.

quadraginta · 26th August 2017, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

My recollection is that Kushner does but Ivanka actually doesn't, because of nepotism laws passed after JFK appointed his brother AG. Not sure about that however.

Jarrod's title is Senior Advisor to the President. He is appointed by Trump, and takes no salary (so far).

Ivanka's title is Advisor to the President. She is appointed by Trump and takes no salary (so far).

Aside from the implication of rank suggested by the use of "Senior" in their titles there is no functional administrative difference between the two. A 1978 statute has been seen by some (Kushner's lawyers among them, not surprisingly) as clearly superseding the 1967 law provoked by Bobby Kennedy's appointment, but even that may not have had any relevance.

Here's some discussion of the question.

Quote:

Ironically, Bill Clinton's appointment of Hillary to spearhead healthcare reform in his administration might prove beneficial to Kushner's case. Two federal judges ruled in favor of Clinton's nomination, reasoning that antinepotism laws do not include "a White House special assistant." Additionally, their ruling emphasized that the antinepotism law would only apply to paid positions.

Kushner's lawyer, former Bill Clinton Attorney General Jamie Gorelick, has stressed that he would not be breaking the antinepotism law, according to The Washington Post. Gorelick cited another federal law, passed in 1978, that gave the president permission to hire staffers "without regard" to personnel laws.

The WaPo article they cite is worth a peek, too.

So, no technical difference between Kushner's job and Ivanka's, really. Which one Trump actually thinks of as the "senior" of the two is anybody's guess. In a toe-to-toe disagreement between them I'd put my money on Trump listening to Ivanka first ... if he was to listen to either of them, that is.

d4m10n · 26th August 2017, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by jimbob

Can you please make a prediction that Trump will be next, and then change it?

Putting my chips on teh Donald.

PhantomWolf · 26th August 2017, 05:25 PM

It's hard to decide who's left because the turnover is so fast I've lost track of who is actually left.

jimbob · 27th August 2017, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by d4m10n

Putting my chips on teh Donald.

It has to be worth a try

dudalb · 27th August 2017, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

My recollection is that Kushner does but Ivanka actually doesn't, because of nepotism laws passed after JFK appointed his brother AG. Not sure about that however.

Apparetnly the nepotism law does not apply to unpaid positions.

Trebuchet · 27th August 2017, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Apparetnly the nepotism law does not apply to unpaid positions.

Yeah, that's more or less what I was trying to say. Kushner is paid staff; Ivanka isn't and can't be.

It's actually a bit worrisome to me that the (relatively speaking) grownups are gaining the upper hand and the loons like Bannon and Gorka are out.

quadraginta · 27th August 2017, 03:53 PM

dup

quadraginta · 27th August 2017, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Yeah, that's more or less what I was trying to say. Kushner is paid staff; Ivanka isn't and can't be.

<snip>

How much is Kushner being paid as Senior Advisor to the President?

This might help;

Quote:

White House releases salary info for Trump's aides

Quote:

Donald Trump's White House is stocked with 25 staffers who hold the title of "assistant to the president," according to a disclosure released Friday, which also revealed that nearly two dozen aides all earn an annual salary of roughly $180,000.

...

Only three staffers — first daughter and adviser Ivanka Trump, son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner and intergovernmental and technology aide Reed Cordish — take home no pay from taxpayers, according to the disclosure.

Craig4 · 28th August 2017, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Does Kushner even hold an official White House permanent postion?

I actually put Cohn high on the list of people who might just quite because they have had enough of Donald Trump.

He's a senior advisor though I don't think he has a formal portfolio.

Cohn might be a good choice too. He is on the outs for his loud dinner conversation complaining about his boss and his comments about The Hair's pro Nazi stance.

ponderingturtle · 28th August 2017, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

I'm going back to Kushner. He's the only person present at the meeting where collusion with the Russians began still in the administration. That will make it too hot for Jared once we refocus on Russia.

He will be pardoned if it looks like any charges are coming.

Doubt · 28th August 2017, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

"Game of Throwns."

Game of Clowns.

Giordano · 28th August 2017, 09:13 PM

A bit distant from the top staff in the White House but yet another sacrifice to lubricate the wheels of the bus. Gigicos, Trump's long time event organizer:

http://theweek.com/speedreads/721390...vent-organizer

I don't know how reliable this news source is, but according to the site the size of the crowds in Phoenix didn't match Trump's ego (despite Trump playing up the size of the crowd during the event and chastising the TV news for not showing how huge it was). So someone had to take the blame. RIP Gigicos...

d4m10n · 29th August 2017, 05:42 AM

Originally Posted by jimbob

Can you please make a prediction that Trump will be next, and then change it?

Originally Posted by d4m10n

Putting my chips on teh Donald.

Changing my bet to the frightful Rex T.
https://www.axios.com/scoop-trump-fr...478123564.html

Craig4 · 29th August 2017, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by d4m10n

Changing my bet to the frightful Rex T.
https://www.axios.com/scoop-trump-fr...478123564.html

I think Rex will hang on for a while but only because it will be hard to get anyone qualified who wants the job and could survive confirmation hearings.

Trebuchet · 29th August 2017, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Craig4

I think Rex will hang on for a while but only because it will be hard to get anyone qualified who wants the job and could survive confirmation hearings.

My bold. What makes you think Tillerson was qualified? Other than by his love of Russia?

Craig4 · 29th August 2017, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

My bold. What makes you think Tillerson was qualified? Other than by his love of Russia?

Nothing. Kelly will push for an establishment diplomat or former law maker who had a foreign policy portfolio to slow our decline abroad and stop the brain drain from Foggy Bottom. The person who can do that won't work for Trump.

So, Rex just stays in the dog house with Sessions to avoid a long gap in a high profile post.

Spindrift · 29th August 2017, 05:47 PM

Rex is doing a bang up job dismantling the State Department so he won't be going anywhere for a while.

It's not easy finding cabinets secretaries who want to destroy their own department. It's a short list and most of them have already been appointed.

NoahFence · 29th August 2017, 05:47 PM

So...
Mattis it is?

Spindrift · 29th August 2017, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

So...
Mattis it is?

No, he'll stage a military coup first.

NoahFence · 29th August 2017, 05:57 PM

He just told trump to pound sand on the transgender ban.

Haha

quadraginta · 29th August 2017, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by Craig4

I think Rex will hang on for a while but only because it will be hard to get anyone qualified who wants the job and could survive confirmation hearings.

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

My bold. What makes you think Tillerson was qualified? Other than by his love of Russia?

Since when has Trump ever worried about whether or not on of his nominees is qualified for the job?

Hell, he doesn't even bother nominating anyone at all most of the time.

He don't need no steenkin' State Department.

Craig4 · 29th August 2017, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by quadraginta

Since when has Trump ever worried about whether or not on of his nominees is qualified for the job?

Hell, he doesn't even bother nominating anyone at all most of the time.

He don't need no steenkin' State Department.

There are more than three Republican senators waiting in the tall grass for Trump. He's limited by who he can past confirmation hearings. Three defections and his nominee fails and the VP casting a tie winning vote will still be a defeat.

Puppycow · 30th August 2017, 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by Giordano

A bit distant from the top staff in the White House but yet another sacrifice to lubricate the wheels of the bus. Gigicos, Trump's long time event organizer:

http://theweek.com/speedreads/721390...vent-organizer

I don't know how reliable this news source is, but according to the site the size of the crowds in Phoenix didn't match Trump's ego (despite Trump playing up the size of the crowd during the event and chastising the TV news for not showing how huge it was). So someone had to take the blame. RIP Gigicos...

Not sure what the poor guy did to earn Trump's ire, but reportedly he was angry that the crowd wasn't big enough.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/a...phoenix-speech

Quote:

Trump Punishes Longtime Aide After Angry Phoenix Speech, Sources Say

Donald Trump was in a bad mood before he emerged for a confrontational speech in Arizona last week.

TV and social media coverage showed that the site of his campaign rally, the Phoenix Convention Center, was less than full. Backstage, waiting in a room with a television monitor, Trump was displeased, one person familiar with the incident said: TV optics and crowd sizes are extremely important to the president.

As his surrogates warmed up the audience, the expanse of shiny concrete eventually filled in with cheering Trump fans. But it was too late for a longtime Trump aide, George Gigicos, the former White House director of advance who had organized the event as a contractor to the Republican National Committee. Trump later had his top security aide, Keith Schiller, inform Gigicos that he’d never manage a Trump rally again, according to three people familiar with the matter.

Gigicos, one of the four longest-serving political aides to the president, declined to comment.

As for who goes next, I sort of think Tillerson will be gone. However, because his replacement would have to go through the Senate confirmation process, firing him right now isn't practical.

Puppycow · 30th August 2017, 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

There are more than three Republican senators waiting in the tall grass for Trump. He's limited by who he can past confirmation hearings. Three defections and his nominee fails and the VP casting a tie winning vote will still be a defeat.

That reminds me, yeah. Eventually there could be a price for going after Jeff Flake, et al.

d4m10n · 30th August 2017, 05:48 AM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

That reminds me, yeah. Eventually there could be a price for going after Jeff Flake, et al.

Assuming modern medicine can perfect the art and science of spinal transplants.

SOdhner · 30th August 2017, 07:39 AM

I still think Kelly will go soon. I think either he'll give up and quit, or piss off Trump and get fired. I'm less sure of it now than I was, though.

Belz... · 30th August 2017, 08:26 AM

If things keep up, the White House itself will resign and walk out of town.

Delphic Oracle · 30th August 2017, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by Argumemnon

If things keep up, the White House itself will resign and walk out of town.

In a roundabout way, the renovations have kind of done just that.

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alfaniner · 30th August 2017, 08:41 AM

Whatever happened to KellyAnne Conway? I haven't heard her BS for what seems like several weeks.

25th August 2017, 05:55 PM	#201
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 49,912	Originally Posted by Stacko Has anyone explained what, exactly, Gorka did in the White House beside TV hits? Was his role just to say stupid things that stroke President Goldfish's ego? Pretty much what you said.
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25th August 2017, 06:48 PM	#203
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 24,573	Originally Posted by alfaniner The media has got to come up with a catchy name for the current events, like "The Summer Scourge". (OK, not so catchy). OK, considering the events of this Friday evening, how about "Hairmageddon"?
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25th August 2017, 08:11 PM	#204
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 49,912	Gorka might proved some comic relief in an otherwise somber evening.White House is saying that Gorka did NOT resign, but was involuntarily removed but Gorka is insisting that he resigned. Classic "You Can't Fire Me, I Quit!". And for the first time, I actually believe the White House......
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25th August 2017, 08:39 PM	#205
Regnad Kcin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New York Posts: 10,190	Originally Posted by alfaniner The media has got to come up with a catchy name for the current events, like "The Summer Scourge". (OK, not so catchy). "Game of Throwns."
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26th August 2017, 09:57 AM	#207
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 30,608	Originally Posted by Craig4 I'm going back to Kushner. He's the only person present at the meeting where collusion with the Russians began still in the administration. That will make it too hot for Jared once we refocus on Russia. Except he's family. Unless Ivanka dumps him he's safe. How about Sarah Huckabee? Not much speculation about her, compared to her predecessor.
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25th August 2017, 06:17 PM	#202
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Alexandria, VA Home to the Deep State. Posts: 22,320	Originally Posted by Stacko Has anyone explained what, exactly, Gorka did in the White House beside TV hits? Was his role just to say stupid things that stroke President Goldfish's ego? Hard to say. He was supposed to be a counter terrorism advisor but it doesn't seem like he got invited to those meetings after McMaster came in. I suspect that he and Bannon were in their own little, private cabinet while the grown-ups met elsewhere.

26th August 2017, 03:44 AM	#206
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Alexandria, VA Home to the Deep State. Posts: 22,320	I'm going back to Kushner. He's the only person present at the meeting where collusion with the Russians began still in the administration. That will make it too hot for Jared once we refocus on Russia.

26th August 2017, 11:02 AM	#208
quadraginta Becoming Beth Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility (USA, sort of) Posts: 26,135	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Except he's family. Unless Ivanka dumps him he's safe. How about Sarah Huckabee? Not much speculation about her, compared to her predecessor. She keeps her head down. Doesn't contradict the Donald, and isn't too flamboyant. She'll leave when she gets tired of the public ridicule, but doesn't seem to be showing any signs of that yet.
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26th August 2017, 11:42 AM	#209
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 49,912	Originally Posted by Craig4 I'm going back to Kushner. He's the only person present at the meeting where collusion with the Russians began still in the administration. That will make it too hot for Jared once we refocus on Russia. Does Kushner even hold an official White House permanent postion? I actually put Cohn high on the list of people who might just quite because they have had enough of Donald Trump.
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26th August 2017, 12:02 PM	#210
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 22,676	Originally Posted by d4m10n DAMN IT ALL Can you please make a prediction that Trump will be next, and then change it? Million dollar challenge and all that.
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26th August 2017, 02:58 PM	#211
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 30,608	Originally Posted by dudalb Does Kushner even hold an official White House permanent postion? I actually put Cohn high on the list of people who might just quite because they have had enough of Donald Trump. My recollection is that Kushner does but Ivanka actually doesn't, because of nepotism laws passed after JFK appointed his brother AG. Not sure about that however.
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26th August 2017, 03:44 PM	#212
quadraginta Becoming Beth Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility (USA, sort of) Posts: 26,135	Originally Posted by Trebuchet My recollection is that Kushner does but Ivanka actually doesn't, because of nepotism laws passed after JFK appointed his brother AG. Not sure about that however. Jarrod's title is Senior Advisor to the President. He is appointed by Trump, and takes no salary (so far). Ivanka's title is Advisor to the President. She is appointed by Trump and takes no salary (so far). Aside from the implication of rank suggested by the use of "Senior" in their titles there is no functional administrative difference between the two. A 1978 statute has been seen by some (Kushner's lawyers among them, not surprisingly) as clearly superseding the 1967 law provoked by Bobby Kennedy's appointment, but even that may not have had any relevance. Here's some discussion of the question. Quote: Ironically, Bill Clinton's appointment of Hillary to spearhead healthcare reform in his administration might prove beneficial to Kushner's case. Two federal judges ruled in favor of Clinton's nomination, reasoning that antinepotism laws do not include "a White House special assistant." Additionally, their ruling emphasized that the antinepotism law would only apply to paid positions. Kushner's lawyer, former Bill Clinton Attorney General Jamie Gorelick, has stressed that he would not be breaking the antinepotism law, according to The Washington Post. Gorelick cited another federal law, passed in 1978, that gave the president permission to hire staffers "without regard" to personnel laws. The WaPo article they cite is worth a peek, too. So, no technical difference between Kushner's job and Ivanka's, really. Which one Trump actually thinks of as the "senior" of the two is anybody's guess. In a toe-to-toe disagreement between them I'd put my money on Trump listening to Ivanka first ... if he was to listen to either of them, that is.
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26th August 2017, 03:50 PM	#213
d4m10n Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Mounts Farm Posts: 6,059	Originally Posted by jimbob Can you please make a prediction that Trump will be next, and then change it? Putting my chips on teh Donald.
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26th August 2017, 05:25 PM	#214
PhantomWolf Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 20,109	It's hard to decide who's left because the turnover is so fast I've lost track of who is actually left.
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27th August 2017, 12:05 AM	#215
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 22,676	Originally Posted by d4m10n Putting my chips on teh Donald. It has to be worth a try
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27th August 2017, 12:55 PM	#216
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 49,912	Originally Posted by Trebuchet My recollection is that Kushner does but Ivanka actually doesn't, because of nepotism laws passed after JFK appointed his brother AG. Not sure about that however. Apparetnly the nepotism law does not apply to unpaid positions.
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27th August 2017, 01:48 PM	#217
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 30,608	Originally Posted by dudalb Apparetnly the nepotism law does not apply to unpaid positions. Yeah, that's more or less what I was trying to say. Kushner is paid staff; Ivanka isn't and can't be. It's actually a bit worrisome to me that the (relatively speaking) grownups are gaining the upper hand and the loons like Bannon and Gorka are out.
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27th August 2017, 03:53 PM	#218
quadraginta Becoming Beth Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility (USA, sort of) Posts: 26,135	dup
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27th August 2017, 03:54 PM	#219
quadraginta Becoming Beth Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility (USA, sort of) Posts: 26,135	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Yeah, that's more or less what I was trying to say. Kushner is paid staff; Ivanka isn't and can't be. <snip> How much is Kushner being paid as Senior Advisor to the President? This might help; Quote: White House releases salary info for Trump's aides Quote: Donald Trump's White House is stocked with 25 staffers who hold the title of "assistant to the president," according to a disclosure released Friday, which also revealed that nearly two dozen aides all earn an annual salary of roughly $180,000. ... Only three staffers — first daughter and adviser Ivanka Trump, son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner and intergovernmental and technology aide Reed Cordish — take home no pay from taxpayers, according to the disclosure.
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28th August 2017, 08:29 AM	#220
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Alexandria, VA Home to the Deep State. Posts: 22,320	Originally Posted by dudalb Does Kushner even hold an official White House permanent postion? I actually put Cohn high on the list of people who might just quite because they have had enough of Donald Trump. He's a senior advisor though I don't think he has a formal portfolio. Cohn might be a good choice too. He is on the outs for his loud dinner conversation complaining about his boss and his comments about The Hair's pro Nazi stance.

28th August 2017, 08:31 AM	#221
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50,139	Originally Posted by Craig4 I'm going back to Kushner. He's the only person present at the meeting where collusion with the Russians began still in the administration. That will make it too hot for Jared once we refocus on Russia. He will be pardoned if it looks like any charges are coming.
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28th August 2017, 10:18 AM	#222
Doubt Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 7,155	Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin "Game of Throwns." Game of Clowns.
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28th August 2017, 09:13 PM	#223
Giordano Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 17,646	A bit distant from the top staff in the White House but yet another sacrifice to lubricate the wheels of the bus. Gigicos, Trump's long time event organizer: http://theweek.com/speedreads/721390...vent-organizer I don't know how reliable this news source is, but according to the site the size of the crowds in Phoenix didn't match Trump's ego (despite Trump playing up the size of the crowd during the event and chastising the TV news for not showing how huge it was). So someone had to take the blame. RIP Gigicos...

29th August 2017, 05:42 AM	#224
d4m10n Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Mounts Farm Posts: 6,059	Originally Posted by jimbob Can you please make a prediction that Trump will be next, and then change it? Originally Posted by d4m10n Putting my chips on teh Donald. Changing my bet to the frightful Rex T. https://www.axios.com/scoop-trump-fr...478123564.html
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29th August 2017, 05:03 PM	#225
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Alexandria, VA Home to the Deep State. Posts: 22,320	Originally Posted by d4m10n Changing my bet to the frightful Rex T. https://www.axios.com/scoop-trump-fr...478123564.html I think Rex will hang on for a while but only because it will be hard to get anyone qualified who wants the job and could survive confirmation hearings.

29th August 2017, 05:33 PM	#226
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 30,608	Originally Posted by Craig4 I think Rex will hang on for a while but only because it will be hard to get anyone qualified who wants the job and could survive confirmation hearings. My bold. What makes you think Tillerson was qualified? Other than by his love of Russia?
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29th August 2017, 05:42 PM	#227
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Alexandria, VA Home to the Deep State. Posts: 22,320	Originally Posted by Trebuchet My bold. What makes you think Tillerson was qualified? Other than by his love of Russia? Nothing. Kelly will push for an establishment diplomat or former law maker who had a foreign policy portfolio to slow our decline abroad and stop the brain drain from Foggy Bottom. The person who can do that won't work for Trump. So, Rex just stays in the dog house with Sessions to avoid a long gap in a high profile post.

29th August 2017, 05:47 PM	#228
Spindrift Time Person of the Year, 2006 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here! Posts: 19,246	Rex is doing a bang up job dismantling the State Department so he won't be going anywhere for a while. It's not easy finding cabinets secretaries who want to destroy their own department. It's a short list and most of them have already been appointed.
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29th August 2017, 05:47 PM	#229
NoahFence Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 22,131	So... Mattis it is?

29th August 2017, 05:50 PM	#230
Spindrift Time Person of the Year, 2006 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here! Posts: 19,246	Originally Posted by NoahFence So... Mattis it is? No, he'll stage a military coup first.
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29th August 2017, 05:57 PM	#231
NoahFence Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 22,131	He just told trump to pound sand on the transgender ban. Haha

29th August 2017, 07:28 PM	#232
quadraginta Becoming Beth Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility (USA, sort of) Posts: 26,135	Originally Posted by Craig4 I think Rex will hang on for a while but only because it will be hard to get anyone qualified who wants the job and could survive confirmation hearings. Originally Posted by Trebuchet My bold. What makes you think Tillerson was qualified? Other than by his love of Russia? Since when has Trump ever worried about whether or not on of his nominees is qualified for the job? Hell, he doesn't even bother nominating anyone at all most of the time. He don't need no steenkin' State Department.
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29th August 2017, 10:38 PM	#233
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Alexandria, VA Home to the Deep State. Posts: 22,320	Originally Posted by quadraginta Since when has Trump ever worried about whether or not on of his nominees is qualified for the job? Hell, he doesn't even bother nominating anyone at all most of the time. He don't need no steenkin' State Department. There are more than three Republican senators waiting in the tall grass for Trump. He's limited by who he can past confirmation hearings. Three defections and his nominee fails and the VP casting a tie winning vote will still be a defeat.

30th August 2017, 01:42 AM	#234
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 25,587	Originally Posted by Giordano A bit distant from the top staff in the White House but yet another sacrifice to lubricate the wheels of the bus. Gigicos, Trump's long time event organizer: http://theweek.com/speedreads/721390...vent-organizer I don't know how reliable this news source is, but according to the site the size of the crowds in Phoenix didn't match Trump's ego (despite Trump playing up the size of the crowd during the event and chastising the TV news for not showing how huge it was). So someone had to take the blame. RIP Gigicos... Not sure what the poor guy did to earn Trump's ire, but reportedly he was angry that the crowd wasn't big enough. https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/a...phoenix-speech Quote: Trump Punishes Longtime Aide After Angry Phoenix Speech, Sources Say Donald Trump was in a bad mood before he emerged for a confrontational speech in Arizona last week. TV and social media coverage showed that the site of his campaign rally, the Phoenix Convention Center, was less than full. Backstage, waiting in a room with a television monitor, Trump was displeased, one person familiar with the incident said: TV optics and crowd sizes are extremely important to the president. As his surrogates warmed up the audience, the expanse of shiny concrete eventually filled in with cheering Trump fans. But it was too late for a longtime Trump aide, George Gigicos, the former White House director of advance who had organized the event as a contractor to the Republican National Committee. Trump later had his top security aide, Keith Schiller, inform Gigicos that he’d never manage a Trump rally again, according to three people familiar with the matter. Gigicos, one of the four longest-serving political aides to the president, declined to comment. As for who goes next, I sort of think Tillerson will be gone. However, because his replacement would have to go through the Senate confirmation process, firing him right now isn't practical.
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30th August 2017, 01:45 AM	#235
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 25,587	Originally Posted by Craig4 There are more than three Republican senators waiting in the tall grass for Trump. He's limited by who he can past confirmation hearings. Three defections and his nominee fails and the VP casting a tie winning vote will still be a defeat. That reminds me, yeah. Eventually there could be a price for going after Jeff Flake, et al.
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