[Continuation] Brexit: Now What? The Perfect 10. - Page 9

P.J. Denyer · 20th July 2020, 12:19 PM

The report into Russian Interference in UK democracy, including the Brexit vote is due to be released at 10:30 tomorrow. I think I know what my afternoon is going to be.

catsmate · 20th July 2020, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

Northern Ireland will vote to reunite with Ireland when the border poll is allowed to go ahead. As the last two elections in the North have shown the nationalist share of the vote is now over 50% and with the teenage population being close to 55-45 in favour of nationalist communities that disparity is going to widen.

Add in parties like Alliance and the Northern Greens (who are mainly composed of unionists who are reconciling themselves to reuinficiation) who would likely push for reunification when a bad Brexit happens and you could see a vote in, say, ten years time pushing near to 60% for reunification.

Arlene's best allies at the moment are the "32 county republicans" of Fianna Fail and Fine Gael, who are more afraid of what reunification would do to their chances of ever getting into government again than protecting the rights of the nationalist community under the GFA.

Thankfully we'll get a vote to refuse to take the useless, money grubbing parasites.

catsmate · 20th July 2020, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer

The report into Russian Interference in UK democracy, including the Brexit vote is due to be released at 10:30 tomorrow. I think I know what my afternoon is going to be.

Alas I have a vidmeet but it'll be a post-dinner read on the deck, assuming the weather is good and the cat feeling obliging.

Vixen · 20th July 2020, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer

The report into Russian Interference in UK democracy, including the Brexit vote is due to be released at 10:30 tomorrow. I think I know what my afternoon is going to be.

Holding all the redacted parts up to the light?

Vixen · 20th July 2020, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

Then take everything that I've said and apply it to the fact that the NHS even has charities.

The charities are voluntary organisations which often raise funds for things that are not so essential to the NHS that the tax payer has to pay for it.

RolandRat · 20th July 2020, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

Northern Ireland will vote to reunite with Ireland when the border poll is allowed to go ahead. As the last two elections in the North have shown the nationalist share of the vote is now over 50% and with the teenage population being close to 55-45 in favour of nationalist communities that disparity is going to widen.

Add in parties like Alliance and the Northern Greens (who are mainly composed of unionists who are reconciling themselves to reuinficiation) who would likely push for reunification when a bad Brexit happens and you could see a vote in, say, ten years time pushing near to 60% for reunification.

Arlene's best allies at the moment are the "32 county republicans" of Fianna Fail and Fine Gael, who are more afraid of what reunification would do to their chances of ever getting into government again than protecting the rights of the nationalist community under the GFA.

Does the Republic even want reunification?

Captain_Swoop · 20th July 2020, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Vixen

The charities are voluntary organisations which often raise funds for things that are not so essential to the NHS that the tax payer has to pay for it.

Like air ambulances, mri scanners, palliative care, proper food service for patients you mean?

Ulf Nereng · 20th July 2020, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Like air ambulances, mri scanners, palliative care, proper food service for patients you mean?

Jeez! Do you think the UK is Germany or something? Such luxuries are for those countries that can afford them, like EU countries!

Vixen · 20th July 2020, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Like air ambulances, mri scanners, palliative care, proper food service for patients you mean?

Those do not come under the umbrella of NHS charities. As an example, some of the £33m that Capt. Tom raised went to providing relaxing rest rooms for the nurses with lots of Hygge: plump cushions and cute coffee mugs, etc.

Tolls · 21st July 2020, 01:08 AM

Oh you mean like Above and Beyond:
https://www.aboveandbeyond.org.uk/Pa...ry/your-impact

Yes, quite. All of that is cuddly cushions and cute mugs.
Especially the 4D scanner, and the support kit for stroke patients.

And that's just the first charity on the list of NHS Charity members.

Wudang · 21st July 2020, 02:24 AM

Captain Tom's Justgiving page refers to "NHS Charities Together Covid-19 Urgent Appeal."

https://www.nhscharitiestogether.co....nt-appeal-qas/

Captain_Swoop · 21st July 2020, 02:56 AM

An amendment to the government’s Trade Bill intended to protect the NHS and publicly funded health and care services from any form of control from outside the UK has been defeated.

Captain_Swoop · 21st July 2020, 02:58 AM

Well the release of the #RussiaReport off to a good start with the head of the committee calling Boris Johnson a serial liar in covering it up.

The committee releasing report is scathing.
They're openly calling number 10 liars. They have deliberately done everything in their power to help Russian interference!

Captain_Swoop · 21st July 2020, 03:00 AM

Quote:

the government deliberately didn't take any measures to find out whether there was Russian interference in the Brexit referendum

So they didn't investigate alleged Russian interference in the referendum because they were worried that they might find proof of it. Does that sound right?

3point14 · 21st July 2020, 03:22 AM

Boris? A liar? I'm shocked.

This is so depressing.

wobs · 21st July 2020, 03:28 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

So they didn't investigate alleged Russian interference in the referendum because they were worried that they might find proof of it. Does that sound right?

They need to investigate this ASAP. Sounds like a job for Chris Grayling.

Captain_Swoop · 21st July 2020, 03:56 AM

Government have already rejected ISCommittee's call for an independent inquiry into Russian interference in the Brexit referendum. Government response says: "A retrospective assessment of the EU referendum is not necessary".

Wudang · 21st July 2020, 04:00 AM

Even the BBC news website has a quote that the government "actively avoided" looking for interference.

Wudang · 21st July 2020, 04:39 AM

First impressions are that this is a pretty decent summary
https://www.thearticle.com/the-russi...xit-key-quotes

The Don · 21st July 2020, 04:52 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Well the release of the #RussiaReport off to a good start with the head of the committee calling Boris Johnson a serial liar in covering it up.

The committee releasing report is scathing.
They're openly calling number 10 liars. They have deliberately done everything in their power to help Russian interference!

The trouble is, like with Dominic Cumming's trip to Barnard Castle, it simply doesn't matter any more. The government could be openly conspiring with the Russians but Conservative MPs are happy because in five months they'll be getting the no-Deal Brexit they've been desperate for.

Captain_Swoop · 21st July 2020, 05:14 AM

GOV.UK tweeted "Whatever you’ve missed, now is the time to get back out there and enjoy it safely."

I've missed having a government that ISN'T ******* COMPROMISED BY THE RUSSIAN STATE!

Captain_Swoop · 21st July 2020, 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

The trouble is, like with Dominic Cumming's trip to Barnard Castle, it simply doesn't matter any more. The government could be openly conspiring with the Russians but Conservative MPs are happy because in five months they'll be getting the no-Deal Brexit they've been desperate for.

You are right, there won't be any consequences.

Not so long ago this would have brought a government down

Gulliver Foyle · 21st July 2020, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by catsmate

Ireland has a competent government. Britain has Johnson, Pael, Rabb, Grayling and Cummings.

As a bona fide Irish person, I wouldn't be too sure of that. As Fianna Fail and Fine Gael have shown since 2008 they are, at best, only sporadically competent.

P.J. Denyer · 21st July 2020, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

So they didn't investigate alleged Russian interference in the referendum because they were worried that they might find proof of it. Does that sound right?

Yep, that's the topline read. Although it is quite explicit that Russian money is tied back to the Kremlin and is funnelled through the UK and to political parties and peers directly or through enablers. From now on we can save typing "Arron Banks" and just call him "****" .

Of course part of the problem is that the language is very dry and understated, and a great deal is redacted, which is why in times like this it's helpful to have journalists able to put these things into their proper context... Well, we'll see.

The lies surrounding it's release are disgusting and under prior governments would have been a scandal in their own right. Now they're just another Tuesday.

P.J. Denyer · 21st July 2020, 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

As a bona fide Irish person, I wouldn't be too sure of that. As Fianna Fail and Fine Gael have shown since 2008 they are, at best, only sporadically competent.

We can only dream of sporadically competent.

Captain_Swoop · 21st July 2020, 06:52 AM

I didn’t find anything.

- But you didn’t look.

And I didn’t find anything.

- But you didn’t LOOK.

There wasn’t anything to look for.

- But there WAS something to look for!

Well I didn’t find anything.

Wudang · 21st July 2020, 07:15 AM

RussInCheshire with his excellent weekintory

https://twitter.com/RussInCheshire/s...50820214349826

Quote:

"The ISC demanded an inquiry into Russian interference in Brexit.
The govt immediately said no
I’m sure this is a coincidence, but this week it was reported the largest political donor in British history is a Russian Socialite who has paid £1.7m to the Tory party
The company she runs has assets of £23,000 and liabilities of £8.4m, so it’s a mystery where all that donated money is coming from."

Gulliver Foyle · 21st July 2020, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by catsmate

Thankfully we'll get a vote to refuse to take the useless, money grubbing parasites.

It'll go through this side too. At about 62% approval rate, reunification is really popular down here.

And about the "money grubbing" the money that Westminster "gives" the North is almost identical to the amount of taxes paid into the treasury by companies and workers based in the North (and I actually think for a few years now the North is paying in more than it's getting from Westminster). Any shortfall has been made up by subvention and development grants from the EU.

The Don · 21st July 2020, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by Wudang

RussInCheshire with his excellent weekintory

https://twitter.com/RussInCheshire/s...50820214349826

The linked tweet relates to Matt Hancock lying about when lockdown started, not Russian interference in British democracy.

edited to add......

Sorry it's items 44-47 in that tweet thread

Trebuchet · 21st July 2020, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

I've missed having a government that ISN'T ******* COMPROMISED BY THE RUSSIAN STATE!

Me too. And I'm American.

catsmate · 21st July 2020, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by RolandRat

Does the Republic even want reunification?

Not when they're shown the pricetag for supporting the workshy, freeloaders Ooop North.

catsmate · 21st July 2020, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

As a bona fide Irish person,

So am I.

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

I wouldn't be too sure of that. As Fianna Fail and Fine Gael have shown since 2008 they are, at best, only sporadically competent.

While Sinn Féin have demonstrated they're almost invariably incompetent. Not to mention the have of anti-semities, racists, misogynists, climate change deniers, 5G nuts and conspiracy loons in general.

catsmate · 21st July 2020, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

It'll go through this side too. At about 62% approval rate, reunification is really popular down here.

Until you show people the bill, then support plummets to under 50%....

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

And about the "money grubbing" the money that Westminster "gives" the North is almost identical to the amount of taxes paid into the treasury by companies and workers based in the North (and I actually think for a few years now the North is paying in more than it's getting from Westminster). Any shortfall has been made up by subvention and development grants from the EU.

Oh good grief. You either don't know what you're talking about or actively denying reality to suit your beliefs.
The Northern Ireland Subvention, to cover the massive fiscal deficit, runs at around Stg£8.9 billion pa. Northern Ireland hasn't be fiscally in surplus for more than fifty years.

Delphic Oracle · 21st July 2020, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by catsmate

Until you show people the bill, then support plummets to under 50%....

Oh good grief. You either don't know what you're talking about or actively denying reality to suit your beliefs.

The Northern Ireland Subvention, to cover the massive fiscal deficit, runs at around Stg£8.9 billion pa. Northern Ireland hasn't be fiscally in surplus for more than fifty years.

In the context of the same events still unfolding, don't forget the fairly recent additional 1bn. the DUP secured with the confidence-and-supply agreement with May's government.

Garrison · 21st July 2020, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

The trouble is, like with Dominic Cumming's trip to Barnard Castle, it simply doesn't matter any more. The government could be openly conspiring with the Russians but Conservative MPs are happy because in five months they'll be getting the no-Deal Brexit they've been desperate for.

Same problem in the UK and the USA, the people in charge of investigating Russian interference are the ones who benefitted from it.

catsmate · 21st July 2020, 02:08 PM

Hmm, despite ceptimus being around in the last few days he hasn't deigned to tell us why we're all wrong and Brexit is a complete success.
Almost as if reality was sinking in.....

The Don · 21st July 2020, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by catsmate

Hmm, despite ceptimus being around in the last few days he hasn't deigned to tell us why we're all wrong and Brexit is a complete success.
Almost as if reality was sinking in.....

More likely that the latest set of talking points hasn't been released.

My guess is that any Brexit-related issues which cannot be blamed on the EU's intransigence and Remoaner fifth-columnists will be attributed to the effects of Coronavirus which, despite having one of the worst death rates and some of the worst economic problems in the world, will have been handled superbly by the government

Any government failure or inaction relating to Brexit will be excused due to the fact that the government were too busy protecting us from "Chinese-Covid", "Wuhan-flu" or "Kungflu" as it will be increasingly be known (to please the US and so get a trade deal and because we will have fallen out (further) with the Chinese over 5G and Huawei).

Vixen · 22nd July 2020, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

The trouble is, like with Dominic Cumming's trip to Barnard Castle, it simply doesn't matter any more. The government could be openly conspiring with the Russians but Conservative MPs are happy because in five months they'll be getting the no-Deal Brexit they've been desperate for.

I smelt a rat about three years ago - deep state corruption (things that used to matter such as honesty and integrity no longer did) - and got the hell out of there.

Yet run a poll tomorrow and 'Boris' is still the darling of the masses.

Morons. They should be revolting against the Russian traitors and executing them for treason. People used to care (WWII) now it's 'hostile foreign powers running the country' <shrug> 'Who cares?'

Vixen · 22nd July 2020, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer

We can only dream of sporadically competent.

At least the Brits are consistently incompetent. We even failed to get the failing Grayling appointed as head of security. There's an art to being incompetent.

Vixen · 22nd July 2020, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

The linked tweet relates to Matt Hancock lying about when lockdown started, not Russian interference in British democracy.

edited to add......

Sorry it's items 44-47 in that tweet thread

As Hancock says, the lockdown didn't start when it did start, it started a good week before when people started locking down off their own bat.

20th July 2020, 12:19 PM	#321
P.J. Denyer Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,720	The report into Russian Interference in UK democracy, including the Brexit vote is due to be released at 10:30 tomorrow. I think I know what my afternoon is going to be.
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20th July 2020, 12:46 PM	#322
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 23,462	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle Northern Ireland will vote to reunite with Ireland when the border poll is allowed to go ahead. As the last two elections in the North have shown the nationalist share of the vote is now over 50% and with the teenage population being close to 55-45 in favour of nationalist communities that disparity is going to widen. Add in parties like Alliance and the Northern Greens (who are mainly composed of unionists who are reconciling themselves to reuinficiation) who would likely push for reunification when a bad Brexit happens and you could see a vote in, say, ten years time pushing near to 60% for reunification. Arlene's best allies at the moment are the "32 county republicans" of Fianna Fail and Fine Gael, who are more afraid of what reunification would do to their chances of ever getting into government again than protecting the rights of the nationalist community under the GFA. Thankfully we'll get a vote to refuse to take the useless, money grubbing parasites.
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20th July 2020, 12:47 PM	#323
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 23,462	Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer The report into Russian Interference in UK democracy, including the Brexit vote is due to be released at 10:30 tomorrow. I think I know what my afternoon is going to be. Alas I have a vidmeet but it'll be a post-dinner read on the deck, assuming the weather is good and the cat feeling obliging.
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20th July 2020, 01:11 PM	#324
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Suomi Posts: 20,222	Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer The report into Russian Interference in UK democracy, including the Brexit vote is due to be released at 10:30 tomorrow. I think I know what my afternoon is going to be. Holding all the redacted parts up to the light?
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20th July 2020, 01:13 PM	#325
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Suomi Posts: 20,222	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim Then take everything that I've said and apply it to the fact that the NHS even has charities. The charities are voluntary organisations which often raise funds for things that are not so essential to the NHS that the tax payer has to pay for it.
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20th July 2020, 01:36 PM	#326
RolandRat Muse Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 863	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle Northern Ireland will vote to reunite with Ireland when the border poll is allowed to go ahead. As the last two elections in the North have shown the nationalist share of the vote is now over 50% and with the teenage population being close to 55-45 in favour of nationalist communities that disparity is going to widen. Add in parties like Alliance and the Northern Greens (who are mainly composed of unionists who are reconciling themselves to reuinficiation) who would likely push for reunification when a bad Brexit happens and you could see a vote in, say, ten years time pushing near to 60% for reunification. Arlene's best allies at the moment are the "32 county republicans" of Fianna Fail and Fine Gael, who are more afraid of what reunification would do to their chances of ever getting into government again than protecting the rights of the nationalist community under the GFA. Does the Republic even want reunification?
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20th July 2020, 03:24 PM	#327
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 31,347	Originally Posted by Vixen The charities are voluntary organisations which often raise funds for things that are not so essential to the NHS that the tax payer has to pay for it. Like air ambulances, mri scanners, palliative care, proper food service for patients you mean?

20th July 2020, 08:09 PM	#328
Ulf Nereng Muse Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Norway Posts: 558	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Like air ambulances, mri scanners, palliative care, proper food service for patients you mean? Jeez! Do you think the UK is Germany or something? Such luxuries are for those countries that can afford them, like EU countries!

20th July 2020, 10:55 PM	#329
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Suomi Posts: 20,222	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Like air ambulances, mri scanners, palliative care, proper food service for patients you mean? Those do not come under the umbrella of NHS charities. As an example, some of the £33m that Capt. Tom raised went to providing relaxing rest rooms for the nurses with lots of Hygge: plump cushions and cute coffee mugs, etc.
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21st July 2020, 01:08 AM	#330
Tolls Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: UK Posts: 5,209	Oh you mean like Above and Beyond: https://www.aboveandbeyond.org.uk/Pa...ry/your-impact Yes, quite. All of that is cuddly cushions and cute mugs. Especially the 4D scanner, and the support kit for stroke patients. And that's just the first charity on the list of NHS Charity members.

21st July 2020, 02:24 AM	#331
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire Posts: 13,367	Captain Tom's Justgiving page refers to "NHS Charities Together Covid-19 Urgent Appeal." https://www.nhscharitiestogether.co....nt-appeal-qas/
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21st July 2020, 02:56 AM	#332
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 31,347	An amendment to the government’s Trade Bill intended to protect the NHS and publicly funded health and care services from any form of control from outside the UK has been defeated.

21st July 2020, 02:58 AM	#333
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 31,347	Well the release of the #RussiaReport off to a good start with the head of the committee calling Boris Johnson a serial liar in covering it up. The committee releasing report is scathing. They're openly calling number 10 liars. They have deliberately done everything in their power to help Russian interference!

21st July 2020, 03:00 AM	#334
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 31,347	Quote: the government deliberately didn't take any measures to find out whether there was Russian interference in the Brexit referendum So they didn't investigate alleged Russian interference in the referendum because they were worried that they might find proof of it. Does that sound right?

21st July 2020, 03:22 AM	#335
3point14 Pi Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 20,397	Boris? A liar? I'm shocked. This is so depressing.
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21st July 2020, 03:28 AM	#336
wobs Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Hull Posts: 2,293	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop So they didn't investigate alleged Russian interference in the referendum because they were worried that they might find proof of it. Does that sound right? They need to investigate this ASAP. Sounds like a job for Chris Grayling.
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21st July 2020, 03:56 AM	#337
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 31,347	Government have already rejected ISCommittee's call for an independent inquiry into Russian interference in the Brexit referendum. Government response says: "A retrospective assessment of the EU referendum is not necessary".

21st July 2020, 04:00 AM	#338
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire Posts: 13,367	Even the BBC news website has a quote that the government "actively avoided" looking for interference.
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21st July 2020, 04:39 AM	#339
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire Posts: 13,367	First impressions are that this is a pretty decent summary https://www.thearticle.com/the-russi...xit-key-quotes
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21st July 2020, 04:52 AM	#340
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,005	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Well the release of the #RussiaReport off to a good start with the head of the committee calling Boris Johnson a serial liar in covering it up. The committee releasing report is scathing. They're openly calling number 10 liars. They have deliberately done everything in their power to help Russian interference! The trouble is, like with Dominic Cumming's trip to Barnard Castle, it simply doesn't matter any more. The government could be openly conspiring with the Russians but Conservative MPs are happy because in five months they'll be getting the no-Deal Brexit they've been desperate for.

21st July 2020, 05:14 AM	#341
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 31,347	GOV.UK tweeted "Whatever you’ve missed, now is the time to get back out there and enjoy it safely." I've missed having a government that ISN'T ******* COMPROMISED BY THE RUSSIAN STATE!

21st July 2020, 05:15 AM	#342
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 31,347	Originally Posted by The Don The trouble is, like with Dominic Cumming's trip to Barnard Castle, it simply doesn't matter any more. The government could be openly conspiring with the Russians but Conservative MPs are happy because in five months they'll be getting the no-Deal Brexit they've been desperate for. You are right, there won't be any consequences. Not so long ago this would have brought a government down

21st July 2020, 05:31 AM	#343
Gulliver Foyle Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 360	Originally Posted by catsmate Ireland has a competent government. Britain has Johnson, Pael, Rabb, Grayling and Cummings. As a bona fide Irish person, I wouldn't be too sure of that. As Fianna Fail and Fine Gael have shown since 2008 they are, at best, only sporadically competent.

21st July 2020, 05:59 AM	#344
P.J. Denyer Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,720	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop So they didn't investigate alleged Russian interference in the referendum because they were worried that they might find proof of it. Does that sound right? Yep, that's the topline read. Although it is quite explicit that Russian money is tied back to the Kremlin and is funnelled through the UK and to political parties and peers directly or through enablers. From now on we can save typing "Arron Banks" and just call him "****" . Of course part of the problem is that the language is very dry and understated, and a great deal is redacted, which is why in times like this it's helpful to have journalists able to put these things into their proper context... Well, we'll see. The lies surrounding it's release are disgusting and under prior governments would have been a scandal in their own right. Now they're just another Tuesday.
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21st July 2020, 06:00 AM	#345
P.J. Denyer Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,720	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle As a bona fide Irish person, I wouldn't be too sure of that. As Fianna Fail and Fine Gael have shown since 2008 they are, at best, only sporadically competent. We can only dream of sporadically competent.
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21st July 2020, 06:52 AM	#346
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 31,347	I didn’t find anything. - But you didn’t look. And I didn’t find anything. - But you didn’t LOOK. There wasn’t anything to look for. - But there WAS something to look for! Well I didn’t find anything.

21st July 2020, 07:15 AM	#347
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire Posts: 13,367	RussInCheshire with his excellent weekintory https://twitter.com/RussInCheshire/s...50820214349826 Quote: "The ISC demanded an inquiry into Russian interference in Brexit. The govt immediately said no I’m sure this is a coincidence, but this week it was reported the largest political donor in British history is a Russian Socialite who has paid £1.7m to the Tory party The company she runs has assets of £23,000 and liabilities of £8.4m, so it’s a mystery where all that donated money is coming from."
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21st July 2020, 07:24 AM	#348
Gulliver Foyle Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 360	Originally Posted by catsmate Thankfully we'll get a vote to refuse to take the useless, money grubbing parasites. It'll go through this side too. At about 62% approval rate, reunification is really popular down here. And about the "money grubbing" the money that Westminster "gives" the North is almost identical to the amount of taxes paid into the treasury by companies and workers based in the North (and I actually think for a few years now the North is paying in more than it's getting from Westminster). Any shortfall has been made up by subvention and development grants from the EU.

21st July 2020, 07:59 AM	#349
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,005	Originally Posted by Wudang RussInCheshire with his excellent weekintory https://twitter.com/RussInCheshire/s...50820214349826 The linked tweet relates to Matt Hancock lying about when lockdown started, not Russian interference in British democracy. edited to add...... Sorry it's items 44-47 in that tweet thread
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21st July 2020, 08:57 AM	#350
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 30,608	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop I've missed having a government that ISN'T ******* COMPROMISED BY THE RUSSIAN STATE! Me too. And I'm American.
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21st July 2020, 09:35 AM	#351
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 23,462	Originally Posted by RolandRat Does the Republic even want reunification? Not when they're shown the pricetag for supporting the workshy, freeloaders Ooop North.
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21st July 2020, 09:38 AM	#352
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 23,462	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle As a bona fide Irish person, So am I. Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle I wouldn't be too sure of that. As Fianna Fail and Fine Gael have shown since 2008 they are, at best, only sporadically competent. While Sinn Féin have demonstrated they're almost invariably incompetent. Not to mention the have of anti-semities, racists, misogynists, climate change deniers, 5G nuts and conspiracy loons in general.
	__________________ As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves.

21st July 2020, 09:43 AM	#353
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 23,462	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle It'll go through this side too. At about 62% approval rate, reunification is really popular down here. Until you show people the bill, then support plummets to under 50%.... Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle And about the "money grubbing" the money that Westminster "gives" the North is almost identical to the amount of taxes paid into the treasury by companies and workers based in the North (and I actually think for a few years now the North is paying in more than it's getting from Westminster). Any shortfall has been made up by subvention and development grants from the EU. Oh good grief. You either don't know what you're talking about or actively denying reality to suit your beliefs. The Northern Ireland Subvention, to cover the massive fiscal deficit, runs at around Stg£8.9 billion pa. Northern Ireland hasn't be fiscally in surplus for more than fifty years.
	__________________ As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves.

21st July 2020, 10:11 AM	#354
Delphic Oracle Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 5,275	Originally Posted by catsmate Until you show people the bill, then support plummets to under 50%.... Oh good grief. You either don't know what you're talking about or actively denying reality to suit your beliefs. The Northern Ireland Subvention, to cover the massive fiscal deficit, runs at around Stg£8.9 billion pa. Northern Ireland hasn't be fiscally in surplus for more than fifty years. In the context of the same events still unfolding, don't forget the fairly recent additional 1bn. the DUP secured with the confidence-and-supply agreement with May's government.

21st July 2020, 10:53 AM	#355
Garrison Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: UK Posts: 5,457	Originally Posted by The Don The trouble is, like with Dominic Cumming's trip to Barnard Castle, it simply doesn't matter any more. The government could be openly conspiring with the Russians but Conservative MPs are happy because in five months they'll be getting the no-Deal Brexit they've been desperate for. Same problem in the UK and the USA, the people in charge of investigating Russian interference are the ones who benefitted from it.
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