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Old 18th March 2017, 05:31 PM   #41
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One I haven't seen mentioned is Chariots of Fire. Give a pretty good vibe for post-WWI England, the classes and their interactions, college and rural life, etc. Can't claim it is perfect, but it does seem to ring true (albeit I haven't watched it in a number of years...)
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
The first Wicker Man movie - travel to the Isle of Wight and you'll see it is pretty much a documentary.
On the Isle of Man, they think it's science fiction.
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On the Isle of Man, they think it's science fiction.
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Old 19th March 2017, 11:27 AM   #48
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Point of order Mr Chairman.....

If it's about British history, it's more than likely a film, rather than a movie.
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Old 19th March 2017, 02:35 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by MikeG View Post
Point of order Mr Chairman.....

If it's about British history, it's more than likely a film, rather than a movie.
Johnny Vaughn used to host a TV programme called Moviewatch. The word has been in common usage in Britain for a considerable amount of time now.
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I liked Zulu originally, but then I found out about the real events it's based on. The tactical and strategic situation was on target, but the characters were completely scrambled & rearranged (maybe even imaginary in Dutchy's case and or the Boer's case?), and the depicted nature of the Zulu withdrawal was just a flat-out lie.
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Originally Posted by Delvo View Post
I liked Zulu originally, but then I found out about the real events it's based on. The tactical and strategic situation was on target, but the characters were completely scrambled & rearranged (maybe even imaginary in Dutchy's case and or the Boer's case?), and the depicted nature of the Zulu withdrawal was just a flat-out lie.
Wait until you see U571!
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This Is England is a little gem of a movie about a young boy who loses his father in the Falklands War and is drawn into Punk/Skinhead/White Nationalist culture.

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No list of best movies is complete without Shawshank Redemption.
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Old 20th March 2017, 03:12 PM   #54
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
No list of best movies is complete without Shawshank Redemption.
It has been a while since I watched this, but I don't recall any element of it being British. Maybe they have their own version of it called Strangeways Redemption? (The only British prison I could think of, from the 1990 riot/protest)
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There are some pretty good WWII POW movies: Bridge on the River Kwai, the Great Escape. Somebody mentioned Escape from Colditz; if that's the one where they hid a digger inside a vaulting horse, I also recommend it.

Another good WWII film is The Dam Busters, about the development of the bouncing bomb used to destroy German dams.

Beckett is one of the all-time great costume dramas, with Peter O'Toole and Richard Burton as Henry II and the title character. The movie takes some liberties with history, but it's still great entertainment.
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Somebody mentioned Escape from Colditz; if that's the one where they hid a digger inside a vaulting horse, I also recommend it.
I suspect you might be conflating The Colditz Story and The Wooden Horse, the latter of which featuring the vaulting horse in the prison yard. Both of them are good films, in any case.
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Thanks for all the replies so far, by the way.

I will have to sift through and probably watch a few that I haven't already.

I appreciate the help.
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Elizabeth (Gwyneth Paltrow)
Excellent and somehow underrated IMO.

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The King's Speech
Hideously overrated IMO.

I would add the Netflix series "The Last Kingdom."
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I suspect you might be conflating The Colditz Story and The Wooden Horse, the latter of which featuring the vaulting horse in the prison yard. Both of them are good films, in any case.
Ooh, that reminds me.
Ripping Yarns (OK, not a movie, a TV series).
Specifically "Escape from Stalag Luft 112B" (I had to look up the title), since you;re talking about escape films.
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Ooh, that reminds me.
Ripping Yarns (OK, not a movie, a TV series).
Specifically "Escape from Stalag Luft 112B" (I had to look up the title), since you;re talking about escape films.
All the Ripping Yarns were repeated on BBC4 a few years ago and are sitting on one of my PVRs. I must have watched some of them dozens of times, especially Escape from Stalag Luft 112B
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TV again: In another current thread, Downton was mentioned. But if you want a better look at the class system, then its ancestor from the 70s, Upstairs, Downstairs is possibly the more accurate, less anachronistic of the two, even if it doesn't cover some topics which are standard fare in today's dramas.
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What are the best movies on British history?

These are movies that I may be able to recommend to university students taking a course on British culture as an elective subject.

I understand that movies such as Braveheart and maybe The Patriot are very inaccurate, but I am looking for movies of two particular kinds:

Those about British history in general (including the British Empire), and perhaps biopics of the kings and queens.

Here are a few possibilities:

Elizabeth (Gwyneth Paltrow)
Madness of King George
The King's Speech

Also,
The Man Who Would be King (fiction, yes, but enjoyable)
Wind That Shakes the Barley (for Ireland)

Do you recommend any others, or would you warn off any of my choices so far?
Wind That Shakes The Barley really distorts what happened,and it's "Pro Treaty BAD Anti Treary GOOD" bias is silly.
"Michael Collins" with Liam Neeson as Collins is a better balanced film.
And I think you meant Cate Blanchett instead of Geyneth Paltrow for Elizabeth.
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There are some pretty good WWII POW movies: Bridge on the River Kwai, the Great Escape. Somebody mentioned Escape from Colditz; if that's the one where they hid a digger inside a vaulting horse, I also recommend it.

Another good WWII film is The Dam Busters, about the development of the bouncing bomb used to destroy German dams.

Beckett is one of the all-time great costume dramas, with Peter O'Toole and Richard Burton as Henry II and the title character. The movie takes some liberties with history, but it's still great entertainment.
Agree about Becket;The Lion In Winter (in which Peter O Toole repeats his role as Henry the Second) is better known,but Becket is a good film.

BTW Peter Jackson is producing a new film about the "Dam Buster" squadron.

"Battle of Britian" is another good film about Britian in World War 2.
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I remember seeing some interview with a historian, and according to him, of all the "King Arthur" movies, Holy Grail may actually be the most realistic. Why? Because it showed people's living standards more accurately... problems with disease, the divide between rich and poor, etc.
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All the Ripping Yarns were repeated on BBC4 a few years ago and are sitting on one of my PVRs. I must have watched some of them dozens of times, especially Escape from Stalag Luft 112B
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I don't think he was saying it was particularly accurate... I think he was just saying it was more accurate than (for example) Excalibur. Yes, Holy Grail had the killer bunny and other types of nonsense, but Excalibur had its own share of the supernatural, and (if I remember correctly) didn't bother showing the plight of the lower classes at all.
That's because it was entirely made up and I brought it up as a joke.

The "plight of the lower classes" shown in Python wasn't accurate either, was my point.
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Most of the following take liberties with accuracy.
Lawrence of Arabia
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The Madness of King George
A Man for All Seasons
The Lion in Winter
Yeah too bad about that because it was an outstanding movie.
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Does The Last of the Mohicans count? I enjoy getting a glimpse of what Colonial Britain might have been like, the relation with the natives, frontiersmen, siege warfare, etc.
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Does The Last of the Mohicans count? I enjoy getting a glimpse of what Colonial Britain might have been like, the relation with the natives, frontiersmen, siege warfare, etc.

Cooper's book provided a heavily idealized version of the times, and I think that most of the many film renditions carried on in that tradition.

I wish there had been more movies made from Kenneth Roberts historical novels of that era. (Northwest Passage is the only one I know about.

Roberts was a diligent, even obsessive researcher and put things in a noticeably less idealized and more faithful to reality light.

For an entirely different take on (among other things) the career of Benedict Arnold from what the standard history texts provide I recommend reading Arundel and Rabble In Arms. It will leave your perception of the man and his "treason" entirely different.
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I wish there had been more movies made from Kenneth Roberts historical novels of that era. (Northwest Passage is the only one I know about.

Roberts was a diligent, even obsessive researcher and put things in a noticeably less idealized and more faithful to reality light.

For an entirely different take on (among other things) the career of Benedict Arnold from what the standard history texts provide I recommend reading Arundel and Rabble In Arms. It will leave your perception of the man and his "treason" entirely different.

Thinking "books not films" -- I'd like to add an approving word for Kenneth Roberts: having read several of his novels, was moved and impressed by them. Topic of his sometimes approaching events from unconventional angles: I found fascinating (and harrowing) his Oliver Wiswell (the War of Independence from the Loyalist point of view). I'm British -- before reading this book, I had been ignorant of the fact that a significant proportion of the population concerned, wanted to remain under British rule; and unsurprisingly, underwent bad times when the war went the other way.
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TV again: In another current thread, Downton was mentioned. But if you want a better look at the class system, then its ancestor from the 70s, Upstairs, Downstairs is possibly the more accurate, less anachronistic of the two, even if it doesn't cover some topics which are standard fare in today's dramas.
What doesn't the original Upstairs/Downstairs not cover? It has same-sex liaisons, maids getting pregnant by the son of the house, affairs by various members of the aristocracy, an upwardly-mobile middle class woman, the horrors of WWI, social change in the 1920s, the working classes getting uppity...all the social realities Downton kinda ignored.

If you want British history of the 20th century, watch the mid-level films made during that time for the details of how people actually lived and interacted. And if you can find them, the Supersizer series tackles how the English lived by focusing on the foods of various eras.

And watch A Hard Day's Night because, apart from being a glimpse of a slice of English life in 1964, is a much better movie than it had to be. Just avoid the Blanchett Elizabeth, which only has a cursory relation to the real person.
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If we look at movies that were made as stories of their time but are now historical, how about "This Sporting Life" with Richard Harris? Or "Saturday Night and Sunday Morning" with Albert Finney?
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If we look at movies that were made as stories of their time but are now historical, how about "This Sporting Life" with Richard Harris? Or "Saturday Night and Sunday Morning" with Albert Finney?
I think most dramas reflect society's values. Then over time these values change. For example in "To Sir with Love" these values are accepted
1. Racism.
2. Children getting bashed by their parents
3. Children leaving school to work full time at about 14 or 15.
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
What are the best movies on British history?

These are movies that I may be able to recommend to university students taking a course on British culture as an elective subject.

I understand that movies such as Braveheart and maybe The Patriot are very inaccurate, but I am looking for movies of two particular kinds:

Those about British history in general (including the British Empire), and perhaps biopics of the kings and queens.

Here are a few possibilities:

Elizabeth (Gwyneth Paltrow)
Madness of King George
The King's Speech

Also,
The Man Who Would be King (fiction, yes, but enjoyable)
Wind That Shakes the Barley (for Ireland)

Do you recommend any others, or would you warn off any of my choices so far?
Elizabeth (1998) starred Cate Blanchett has Elizabeth. I think your confusing this film with Shakespeare in love (1998) which did star Gwyneth Paltrow.

As for films about British / and or English history I can strongly recommend the period piece Lady Jane (1986) about the tragic story of Lady Jane Grey. Staring Helena Bonham Carter, and Cary Elwes.
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Retrogrades comment reminded me of the BBC's "Back in time for dinner" series where a family get their home redecorated etc each episode for a new decade focusing especially on food.
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The King's Speech
I'm sure I saw The King's Speech on a few "historically inaccurate" lists.

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Braveheart and the Patriot.
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Also, there was a This is England tv mini series. It's set against the backdrop of several youth cultures. I remember there being mod elements as well as casuals.
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A Canterbury Tale - one of the most brilliant movies ever made in the UK.

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