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Old 2nd February 2017, 10:37 AM   #161
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Originally Posted by Eddie Dane View Post
Antifa makes Milo an overnight millionaire by timing violent protest perfectly with his book deal.

Milo's act is pretty brilliant if you ask me. Dressing up conservative opinions with 1980's-Eddie-Murphy-stand-up vulgarity + hamming up his gay act.
And taking that roadshow into the belly of the beast to see if they flip their ****.

He exposes the campus lefties as intolerant anti-free-speech nutso's, and simultaneously builds a personal brand and makes bank from his tour and future book-sales.

And Antifa has just propelled him out of the campus/twitter-sphere and into the mainstream. NYT bestseller list, here he comes.

Antifa are going to have a remarkably bourgeois experience this December, when they receive a Christmas card from Milo's publisher.
The left really hates to be laughed at.
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Old 2nd February 2017, 10:39 AM   #162
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"This looks bad for democrats." No it does not. In the same manner the KKK is 100% behind Trump. These are the fringes.
The KKK is in the White house pulling Trump's strings.
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Old 2nd February 2017, 10:39 AM   #163
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
Agreed. Progressive politicians need to reach out to these misguided individuals and harness their rage for the struggle to come. Properly deployed, these kinds of actions can do wonders for a resistance movement.
That's fine, just allow citizens to use deadly force to protect our property.
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Old 2nd February 2017, 10:40 AM   #164
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Originally Posted by NWO Sentryman View Post
Sooner or later, I wouldn't be surprised if a mass shooter claims a left-wing motivation (like Unabomber). If it's an Orlando style slaughter, say goodbye to the Left for a Decade.
They will justify it just like they're doing in this very thread.
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
The KKK is in the White house pulling Trump's strings.
Actually your side has had members of the KKK in congress.
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Old 2nd February 2017, 10:42 AM   #166
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I'm all broken up about that man's rights
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Old 2nd February 2017, 10:43 AM   #167
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Actually, Milo has been met with meltdowns by liberals on campus where ever he has gone. They've never reached the level of vandalism in Berkeley last night, but there have almost always been organized disruptions of his speeches and harassment of people on their way to his talk or leaving it.
Excellent point, the same snowflakes who need a safe space.
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Old 2nd February 2017, 10:45 AM   #168
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I don't remember agreeing to tolerate absolutely everything just because most of my political opinions fall into the left-hand side of the American political spectrum.

As in most of life, the Golden Rule applies. This particular jerk doesn't seem keen on tolerance for others, I can't see why he thinks he's in a position to demand it for himself.
Lol

Your side has made an industry out of offending people on the right, now you're getting it back and I don't think you realize how much worse its going to get. Trump isn't president to unite people. He's here to defeat your side.
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I'm all broken up about that man's rights
well they are everyone's rights.

That is why the ACLU stood up for the Nazis in Skokie.

The fact that the left is celebrating the fact that this guy got shut down shows just how far they have fallen in terms of civil rights.
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Old 2nd February 2017, 10:47 AM   #170
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The left really hates to be laughed at.
The right not so much since they have had a lot more practice.
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Old 2nd February 2017, 10:48 AM   #171
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In the spirit of your and logger's posts. Suck it up, losers! We won. UCB has cancelled further appearances by the misogynist creep.

That's all that matters. Score one for the shout-em-down critics!! Woooooot!
I suppose you'll celebrate intolerance wherever you can when you have zero political power. It's not going to help your cause though.
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The right not so much since they have had a lot more practice.
Yep, and it's going to eventually lead to much worse things, people have awakened.
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well they are everyone's rights.

That is why the ACLU stood up for the Nazis in Skokie.

The fact that the left is celebrating the fact that this guy got shut down shows just how far they have fallen in terms of civil rights.
Illinois Nazis.

I once had a speaking engagement cancelled because of the goddamned Illinois Nazis.
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Imagine Noam Chomsky having to be escorted out the backdoor because conservative students holding the doors shut, locking in the audience and speaker. That is what happened to Ben Shapiro.
An excellent point, I doubt the left will think about what you posted. The right never does this?
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An excellent point, I doubt the left will think about what you posted. The right never does this?
I think it's been awhile since it was so commonplace, brazen and popular...
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I'm not saying "tolerate", I'm saying "argue non-violently".

You appear to be mistaking a societal culture war for an actual shooting war.
And you appear to be mistaking a few smashed windows for 'an actual shooting war'.
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It's interesting to see how the denunciations from the left are all of the "this hurts our cause" variety. It's a question of tactics for them, not of right and wrong. That's because they actually see Milo and his supporters as evil, not as people who simply have a different point of view and have the same right to express it as anybody else.
I'll explain that.

Add someone who does not support these types of actions in any form I know those that do tend to not care about beginning fair to the other side (no worse than right wing extremists in my opinion) ,so we are trying to show them that they are not kicking the other side in the nuts but shooting our side in the foot.
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well they are everyone's rights.

That is why the ACLU stood up for the Nazis in Skokie.

The fact that the left is celebrating the fact that this guy got shut down shows just how far they have fallen in terms of civil rights.
I'm all in favor of freedom of speech but there is something wrong when money and power overwhelms minority opinions. Trump's brownshirts are trying to limit opposition of their racist ideology and are upset that groups without power are doing everything they can not to be destroyed. Many of these people are fighting because their very survival is at stake.
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Old 2nd February 2017, 10:59 AM   #179
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Yep, and it's going to eventually lead to much worse things, people have awakened.
Yes they have, but at the same time the left is being rejuvenated at the same time. Even more so.
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Old 2nd February 2017, 10:59 AM   #180
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Lol

Your side has made an industry out of offending people on the right, now you're getting it back and I don't think you realize how much worse its going to get. Trump isn't president to unite people. He's here to defeat your side.
I'm not on the left side, apparently, as that would seem to require tolerating jerks. If my political beliefs were put into effect there would be no Trump, as he would have been executed long ago for his shady business doings.
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Tough luck. Suck it up.
How and who does this attitude help?

(Basic social construction question )
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Remember when the Right said that Obama was dividing the nation....?
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I'm all in favor of freedom of speech but there is something wrong when money and power overwhelms minority opinions. Trump's brownshirts are trying to limit opposition of their racist ideology and are upset that groups without power are doing everything they can not to be destroyed. Many of these people are fighting because their very survival is at stake.
I am pretty sure that the "protesters" at UC Berkley were not Trump supporters at all....

And money and power had nothing to do with it....

Your over the top hyperbole does not really end up making a cogent point at all.
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what a terrible analogy...

This was a public space. while it appears that certain Jar jar protesters think that they "own" the space, that is not how it works.

The gun came out after the lone individual was assaulted by the Jar jar protester who came bounding across the public space at him.
Yet more indication that his worldview basically boils down to 'might makes right.' Although on the other hand, if him or one of his buddies tries to 'might makes right' someone and finds out they are dangerously outmatched and get beat down or shot, it's totally unfair.
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And you appear to be mistaking a few smashed windows for 'an actual shooting war'.
Oh, now you are worried about going out of your comfort zone? Pretty sure you said this a few posts back:

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If he wants to run crying to Mommy because people are tired of his crap and didn't confine their disapproval within bounds he's comfortable in, too bad.
So, your comfort zone is riots and arson but not shooting? What if someone takes it to that next level and then in answer to your complaints (or those of your next of kin) says "too bad".

Ditch the violence and the justifications for violence.
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Who gives a rip? We're supposed to be angels of virtue while the minority alt-right takes over the government and drags it toward the drain or WWIII, it's unclear which at this point.

And you start a thread whining about some protestors who have had enough! Color me unconcerned.
No, but behaving like the Morons in Berkeley did is just helping Trump.
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Intolerance isn't the same as actively hurting them. Quite clearly, the liberals in this thread think that making a speech that some minorities consider offensive is an example of intolerance. Sometimes, intolerance can help. If you're intolerant of bad behavior, or of identity politics, I think that's a good thing.



Well, mine is logically consistent. That will naturally be incompatible with a value system which is logically inconsistent.
Then we agree.
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Oh, now you are worried about going out of your comfort zone? Pretty sure you said this a few posts back:



So, your comfort zone is riots and arson but not shooting? What if someone takes it to that next level and then in answer to your complaints (or those of your next of kin) says "too bad".

Ditch the violence and the justifications for violence.
I didn't say I was opposed to violence. I was merely pointing out that what occurred at Berkeley wasn't a 'shooting' civil war. You seem to be unable to distinguish between levels of action, equating a broken window with full-scale war. There are many levels between those two things, and they are each appropriate in different circumstances.

And I will certainly not 'ditch' violence just because you order me to. If I'm attacked I will defend myself. If someone invades I will fight back. Some wars are justified. Nonviolence is not the correct response in every circumstance.
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Remember when the Right said that Obama was dividing the nation....?
LMAO
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How and who does this attitude help?

(Basic social construction question )
It's a mirror the right doesn't seem to want to look at.
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Besides, it's The People's Republic of Berkeley, for Heaven's Sake. Over the top protests are a popular sport there...second only to UCB football.
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Intolerance isn't the same as actively hurting them.
I said it leads to it. If you are intolerant towards, say, blacks, you're not going to allow them to rent an appartment in your building, for instance. Where do they go then, if few people will let them rent? Does that not harm them?

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Quite clearly, the liberals in this thread think that making a speech that some minorities consider offensive is an example of intolerance. Sometimes, intolerance can help. If you're intolerant of bad behavior, or of identity politics, I think that's a good thing.
Stop moving the goalposts. The post you responded to was about intolerance OF RACE. I even quoted it back to you.

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Well, mine is logically consistent. That will naturally be incompatible with a value system which is logically inconsistent.
Ignoring the hubris of that statement, please state what is inconsistent in my value system. Bear in mind that two consistent systems can be at odds. That sounds like you're now playing a rhetorical game against the other "side", rather than having a discussion.

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Even if all those racists are doing is stripping majorities of their unearned "privileges?"
I will not allow you to change the definition of "racism" to play gotcha with me. I answered your question as written.
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It's a mirror the right doesn't seem to want to look at.
Tell me about it! If the right looked in the mirror they'd have to try and justify all of the riots they started to prevent left wing speakers from having their say!
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I'm all broken up about that man's rights
Shouldn't you be?
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I am pretty sure that the "protesters" at UC Berkley were not Trump supporters at all....
I wasn't talking about the protesters. I was talking about the speaker from Breitbart.
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And money and power had nothing to do with it....
Of course it does.
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Your over the top hyperbole does not really end up making a cogent point at all.
It wasn't in the least hyperbolic.
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Besides, it's The People's Republic of Berkeley, for Heaven's Sake. Over the top protests are a popular sport there...second only to UCB football.
Not quite like this.
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Here, in Northern California, it's a case of "Hey, it's Berkley.What Can You Expect?".
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I wasn't talking about the protesters. I was talking about the speaker from Breitbart.
I thought you used the moniker "brownshirt"?
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Here, in Northern California, it's a case of "Hey, it's Berkley.What Can You Expect?".
I know, I'm in Bezerkley most weekends. (incognito)

But, even by Berkley standards, the was not normal at all.
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It's a mirror the right doesn't seem to want to look at.
You didn't answer the question.

Very telling.
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