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Old 18th March 2017, 08:22 AM   #1
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Build a wall? Not so fast there, cowboy!

Maybe some of them landowners don't want to sell:

Trump border wall: Texans receiving letters about their land

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Yvette Salinas, a Texan whose ailing mother owns a small parcel of land with her siblings near the Rio Grande was informed by the “Declaration of Taking” letter sent by DOJ that her 1.2 acres was worth $2,900, according to a story in the Texas Observer. She told the Observer that the family’s 16 acres has been in her family for five generations. The government’s letter asks recipients to sign in order to receive compensation, acknowledge that they “do not have an interest” in the case or do not intend to make a claim. It doesn’t really say what landowners should do if, like Salinas, they don’t want to sell their land.

Salinas called the letter “scary” and said “you feel you have to sign.” Her family is consulting a lawyer about its next steps. If other border landowners have the same reluctance to sell as Salinas, the government may have a long battle ahead to secure all the land necessary for the wall, given that the federal government doesn’t own most of it. The nearly 2,000-mile southern border is composed of federal, state, tribal and private lands. There are 632 miles of federal or tribal land -- 33 percent -- and the other 67 percent, most of which is in Texas, is private or state-owned, according to the Government Accountability Office (GAO). The Washington Post points out that the president would need Congress to pass a bill to acquire the tribal lands for his wall.
Landowners who don't want to sell could potentially tie up The Wall in courts for several years. By the time ownership is cleared, Trump might not be president anymore.

This thing's never going to get built. I hope.
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Old 18th March 2017, 08:24 AM   #2
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It's unbelievably complex. Nobody knew the US would have to forcibly acquire land in order to build his wall.
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We're all smart enough to know the 5th Amendment applies here.

But as Shemp said, "tied up in courts..."
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Old 18th March 2017, 11:57 AM   #6
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And when the hair falls, it should be dumped in a long used outhouse and forgotten!!!!!
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It doesnít really say what landowners should do if, like Salinas, they donít want to sell their land.
That name sounds Latino. I bet she's an undocumented immigrant. Deport her NOW!
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I would bet a gigantic amount of money that the majority of people in this position voted for trump. People with property on the border. Sad.
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It's a shame to even talk about a "Wall" because it is a proven FACT that a wall wouldn't be needed.

Eisenhower got rid of the illegals in the 1950's and did it without a wall.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback
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I think if we explain to them it's the patriotic thing to do, they'll change their minds.
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Originally Posted by shemp View Post
Maybe some of them landowners don't want to sell:

Trump border wall: Texans receiving letters about their land



Landowners who don't want to sell could potentially tie up The Wall in courts for several years. By the time ownership is cleared, Trump might not be president anymore.

This thing's never going to get built. I hope.
When the Channel Tunnel rail link was being planned some municipalities in France apparently bought up land where they didn't want it and then sold it off in lots of very small strips to make the compulsory purchases on that unpreferred route more costly and longer
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When the Channel Tunnel rail link was being planned some municipalities in France apparently bought up land where they didn't want it and then sold it off in lots of very small strips to make the compulsory purchases on that unpreferred route more costly and longer
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I think if we explain to them it's the patriotic thing to do, they'll change their minds.

I think for a lot of "patriots", sacrificing for your country is something they believe other people should do.
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Whenever the border gets discussed on TV they always seem to focus on some piece of barren wilderness in Arizona or Texas and since trump seems to base his 'policies' on whatever he sees on TV he thus doubtless thinks the entire border is uninhabited desert.
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Its called eminent domain, it won't take years.
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Its called eminent domain, it won't take years.
Trump has certainly shown over the years that he is a fan of eminent domain when it suits his business needs (say, when he wants to evict a widow so he can build a parking lot, or when he wants to build a golf course in Scotland), so I'm sure he is counting on using it here. Of course, the courts may have something to say about that.
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Trump has certainly shown over the years that he is a fan of eminent domain when it suits his business needs (say, when he wants to evict a widow so he can build a parking lot, or when he wants to build a golf course in Scotland), so I'm sure he is counting on using it here. Of course, the courts may have something to say about that.
Lol
What do you think the courts are going to say? They kicked out the widows, surely selling a small percentage of property will be easier?
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Lol
What do you think the courts are going to say? They kicked out the widows, surely selling a small percentage of property will be easier?
Trump was forced to build around one of the widows. My understanding is that eminent domain has become more difficult for commercial development, as it should be. That wouldn't be a problem for the wall though.
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Its called eminent domain, it won't take years.
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Whenever the border gets discussed on TV they always seem to focus on some piece of barren wilderness in Arizona or Texas and since trump seems to base his 'policies' on whatever he sees on TV he thus doubtless thinks the entire border is uninhabited desert.
Exactly.

He does not/can not consider there might be some actual Americans who
do not want to be shoved off their land.

And, then there is the tribal lands.

Trump's relationship history with Native Americans, BAD!
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I'm finding it amusing that conservatives have been up in arms about government "takings" for quite some years. An example of such takings being the feds tellinig property owners "No, if you rebuild your house on this exposed barrier island, we won't pay you again when it's blown away by the next hurricane." But this kind of takings is apparently just fine.
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Its called eminent domain, it won't take years.
You think taking tribal lands is a breeze? This isn't the 19th century anymore.
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Maybe some of them landowners don't want to sell:

Trump border wall: Texans receiving letters about their land



Landowners who don't want to sell could potentially tie up The Wall in courts for several years. By the time ownership is cleared, Trump might not be president anymore.

This thing's never going to get built. I hope.
I presume Mexico will be paying any compensation?
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Whenever the border gets discussed on TV they always seem to focus on some piece of barren wilderness in Arizona or Texas and since trump seems to base his 'policies' on whatever he sees on TV he thus doubtless thinks the entire border is uninhabited desert.
Here's all 1954 Miles of it, in one video...
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I'm finding it amusing that conservatives have been up in arms about government "takings" for quite some years. An example of such takings being the feds tellinig property owners "No, if you rebuild your house on this exposed barrier island, we won't pay you again when it's blown away by the next hurricane." But this kind of takings is apparently just fine.
National security, obviously you don't understand it.
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You think taking tribal lands is a breeze?
Easy as running a pipeline through it.
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Whenever the border gets discussed on TV they always seem to focus on some piece of barren wilderness in Arizona or Texas and since trump seems to base his 'policies' on whatever he sees on TV he thus doubtless thinks the entire border is uninhabited desert.
Actually the very few who don't want it will now be paraded around like old widows having their property stolen from them.
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Actually the very few who don't want it will now be paraded around like old widows having their property stolen from them.
Millions equals "very few" now?

#alternativemath
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Actually the very few who don't want it will now be paraded around like old widows having their property stolen from them.
A reply that in no way responds to what I actually posted.
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A reply that in no way responds to what I actually posted.
Lol
Why don't you just think on it a bit. Besides is there a rule that I have to respond to exactly what you wrote? Can you not carry on a conversation unless you're in complete control of it?
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Millions equals "very few" now?

#alternativemath
Yeah sure, got a link for these "millions"

You do realise we're talking about "property owners"?
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Cool. Is this a speeded-up panorama from west to east? And how about that Gulf Coast - it looks pretty porous.
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Lol
Why don't you just think on it a bit. Besides is there a rule that I have to respond to exactly what you wrote? Can you not carry on a conversation unless you're in complete control of it?
Expecting your reply to bear some relation to what I posted is controlling is it? I really must stop making the mistake of expecting any coherent arguments from you.
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Its called eminent domain, it won't take years.
Eminent, not imminent.
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Eminent, not imminent.
DHS has huge latitude to override scads of laws and regulations - perhaps making the "takings" eminent and imminent.
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DHS has huge latitude to override scads of laws and regulations - perhaps making the "takings" eminent and imminent.
Hard to imagine the courts not stepping in.

My suggestion? Landmines. The choice of discriminating nations on a budget.
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I'll just point out once again what everyone has known about walls from Babylonia onward: they only work if they're manned, every foot of them. Humans are very good at climbing, and everything that has ever been built has also been climbed. Especially quickly if the thing built is not supposed to be climbed.
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Cool. Is this a speeded-up panorama from west to east? And how about that Gulf Coast - it looks pretty porous.
Yeah. To all the above. The wall position is in the middle of each picture.
Most of the mileage is in Texas, El Paso tod Brownsvill is 860 road miles. El Paso to San Diego is 740 road miles. The NM, AZ and CA borders are pretty straight. The Rio Grande aint. The International border is dead center in the middle of that river. Mexico damn sure isn't going to allow it on THEIR side, so the US will have to surrender territory to get it built. Which is going to possibly off a lot of redneck (and non-redneck) fishermen, hunters, rafters, and kayakers, not to mention the extreme leftist photographers who consider the Big Bend and other very picturesque sections to be National Scenic Treasures..?
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Easy as running a pipeline through it.
Once again, you evince your complete disconnection from reality.
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Lol
Why don't you just think on it a bit. Besides is there a rule that I have to respond to exactly what you wrote? Can you not carry on a conversation unless you're in complete control of it?
No point in trying to carry on conversation with someone who moves the goalposts on every down.
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