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Old Today, 10:44 AM   #1081
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Somehow I don't think the defense of "it wasn't murder, my client was simply totally indifferent to his victim's wellbeing while using lethal force" is one that is considered viable unless the accused is a cop.
Exactly. Take one shot in the same county as cop and you will be arrested for attempted murder of peace officer, even if you hit the plate you were actually shooting at.
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Old Today, 10:52 AM   #1082
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I think it's safe to say that there is never a trial that happens where the phrase, "There only needs to be one _insert_your_term_here (bootlicker, *******, etc.) to have a mistrial" can't be applied. To me, it's like saying, "Hey, it's you!" when you see someone. It's always true.

My personal opinion is that no one in the jury is walking away from this trial thinking, "Yeah, he did everything right. It's pretty clear cut that he was well within the regulations and training he received." Hell the defense couldn't get their own witnesses to stand firm that Chauvin was in the right. The closest they got was Brodd, and even he backpedaled a bunch.

Is it possible there's someone so dug in on either side that it could cause a mistrial? Sure, there's no way to say it's impossible. Do I think it will be likely? No, not even slightly. I would put the chances that there's a mistrial by hung jury likeliness between 1-3%.

I see Murder 3 as the compromise.
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Yeah but you have to understand cops being convicted for murders they commit while on the job almost literally never happen. The mere possibility has only become a thing in the last few years.

It's not the same as every other trial where the possibility is more towards the center.
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Old Today, 11:04 AM   #1084
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Yeah but you have to understand cops being convicted for murders they commit while on the job almost literally never happen. The mere possibility has only become a thing in the last few years.

It's not the same as every other trial where the possibility is more towards the center.
I think I understand that fairly well, which is why I don't think he'll get Murder 2. Even if, as you and ST have pointed out, there is a good legal and ethical argument that Chauvin is actually guilty of Murder 2.

The fact this crime has the sheer amount of evidence that it does is why I think it will get murder 3. I think it's the perfect "meet in the middle" for the jurors. I didn't see the prosecution rail on intent enough to get the jury to strongly consider it.
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Old Today, 11:05 AM   #1085
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Yeah but you have to understand cops being convicted for murders they commit while on the job almost literally never happen. The mere possibility has only become a thing in the last few years.

It's not the same as every other trial where the possibility is more towards the center.

What makes the difference is that everybody is walking around with a camera in his pocket. Without the video, Floyd's death would have almost certainly been recorded as "a drug overdose and excited delirium while in custody after a felony arrest."
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Yeah I had the hope that cell phones and bodycams would change stuff to. It just didn't.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Yeah I had the hope that cell phones and bodycams would change stuff to. It just didn't.
It hasn't changed police behavior, but I think it's pretty clear it's changing how the public views these killings. Every time these happen on video and the cops get away with it, it's another small blow against the unearned trust that many give the police.

Total speculation, but I have a really hard time imagining Chauvin even being charged, much less convicted, of anything unless there was video evidence.

They would have simply lied in their reports. Witness testimony would be deemed unreliable. Floyd would be another spontaneous death caused by "excited delirium", a totally real thing that isn't just pseudoscience made up to exonerate police.
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Old Today, 11:28 AM   #1088
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Ultra-conservative evangelical leader Pat Robertson delivered a surprisingly searing rant about the recent “onslaught” of police violence, blasting former officers Kim Potter and Derek Chauvin while saying cops have “got to stop this stuff.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/pat-ro...top-this-stuff

Not a great indicator for Chauvin, or for cops generally, if a right wing freak like Robertson is starting to turn against them.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Yeah I had the hope that cell phones and bodycams would change stuff to. It just didn't.
It takes time to change a societal norm (as in the cops not being accountable and getting away with lying).

Not going to happen overnight.
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
https://www.thedailybeast.com/pat-ro...top-this-stuff

Not a great indicator for Chauvin, or for cops generally, if a right wing freak like Robertson is starting to turn against them.
Even somebody like that can see what's in front of him. The usual reflexive apologists for the police haven't said much for Chauvin.
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