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Old Yesterday, 03:12 AM   #1721
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
£12 billion on Dido Harding's test and trace and they're sending people to test centres that don't even exist.

People sent to non-existent Covid test centre in Sevenoaks https://theguardian.com/world/2020/o...e-in-sevenoaks
It's like they're not even bothering to hide it anymore. Johnson might as well let the BBC film him cavorting with his chums in a swimming pool full of £50 notes. At the very least get him a medal festooned uniform and fleet of gold Rolls Royces, if were going to act like a banana republic we might as well look the part.
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Old Yesterday, 03:14 AM   #1722
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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer View Post
It's like they're not even bothering to hide it anymore. Johnson might as well let the BBC film him cavorting with his chums in a swimming pool full of £50 notes. At the very least get him a medal festooned uniform and fleet of gold Rolls Royces, if were going to act like a banana republic we might as well look the part.
More likely €100 notes, banana republic dictators like hard, rather than local, currency.
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Just saw some idiot local politician complaining that a circuit-breaker would ‘just delay the problem’. Well, first that’s what it’s supposed to do, as with many of the other restrictions, until we have a vaccine or some other way to deal with the virus, and second, you simply don’t understand what ‘exponential growth’ means if you think stopping the spread and reducing the incidence of infection is merely delaying the same number of casualties.
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This week's Inside Science had a damning report on the UK's test and trace:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000ncp8

The word "fragmented" kept coming up when comparing the UK to the other countries.

I suppose it makes a difference from More or Less pointing out the novel way the figures have been fudged in the particular week it had been broadcast (most episodes since May as far as I can recall)
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Wales in lockdown for a couple of weeks.
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Old Yesterday, 05:43 AM   #1726
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Wales in lockdown for a couple of weeks.
Yes. My personal view (expressed a little earlier in this thread) is that while I cannot comment on how effective this may be, having a consistent set of rules for the whole country is beneficial IMO.

Mrs Don isn't thrilled that the gym will be closed and band practice will be off the cards.

We've also got building work going on. I'm really glad that no existing walls have been knocked through
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I'm old enough to remember when we looked down on the corruption in Italy/African dictatorships and laughed at how it couldn't happen here in the UK.
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This morning Government published details of a further £81m contract awarded to PPE Medpro Limited (it had already received a £112m contract) a new £100 company with no obvious qualification to supply PPE beyond an association with big Tory donors. https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED:NO...:EN:HTML&src=0
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
£12 billion on Dido Harding's test and trace and they're sending people to test centres that don't even exist.

People sent to non-existent Covid test centre in Sevenoaks https://theguardian.com/world/2020/o...e-in-sevenoaks
The article talks about one incorrect testing location. Were there more?

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A Department of Health and Social Care spokesperson said: “We are aware of an issue with an incorrect testing location in Sevenoaks. This issue has now been resolved and people are being redirected to the correct site.

“NHS Test and Trace is providing tests at the unprecedented scale of more than 270,000 tests per day nationally and we are on track to achieve capacity for 500,000 tests a day by the end of October.’’
Yesterday 306,893 tests were processed, for a total of over 27 million cumulative tests. Perhaps they won't reach their target of 500,000 tests per day by the end of October, but that is no reason for extreme cynicism and inflated claims of failure.

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer
It's like they're not even bothering to hide it anymore.
Hide what? That perfection isn't guaranteed no matter how much money is spent? You may quibble about the cost or talk about failures in other areas, but the testing is being done at a good rate.

I see now why the UK is having so much trouble dealing to the virus. It's not just the government, but the people are not taking it seriously. Being a cynic isn't helping. Accept that the government's response won't be perfect, and remember who the real is enemy is here. If everyone had a positive attitude and just got the job done you would be in a much better position and feel happier about it.
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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets View Post
Hide what? That perfection isn't guaranteed no matter how much money is spent?

The direction of public funding to Tory supporters and friends.

https://goodlawproject.org/case/procurement-case/
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Originally Posted by Wudang View Post
The direction of public funding to Tory supporters and friends.

https://goodlawproject.org/case/procurement-case/
Yep, this. That so many of these contracts have not be properly fulfilled, even in some that had unprecedented payments upfront (presumably because the companies had no manufacturing of their own, no cash to purchase the supplies they'd contracted to provide and no history to get them on credit) and that the public appear to be overpaying based on the government's own figures is just another layer on top of the apparent problem in how these contracts are being assigned.
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Nadhim Zahawi tells the BBC that it is not just as simple as “writing a big cheque” to pay for free school meals over the course of half term.

What it is simple to write a big cheque for. £100bn for Operation Bullshot, £12bn for failing Test & Trace, £3bn for PPE that doesn’t work.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Nadhim Zahawi tells the BBC that it is not just as simple as “writing a big cheque” to pay for free school meals over the course of half term.

What it is simple to write a big cheque for. £100bn for Operation Bullshot, £12bn for failing Test & Trace, £3bn for PPE that doesn’t work.
Well yes, the wrong sort of people would benefit from free school meals.
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Covid-19: First UK airport coronavirus testing begins

https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1318336261002874880

What's the date again?


This is an optional test costing £80 for those leaving the UK.
Boris is really clamping down on this Covid thing!!!
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Covid-19: First UK airport coronavirus testing begins

https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1318336261002874880

What's the date again?


This is an optional test costing £80 for those leaving the UK.
Boris is really clamping down on this Covid thing!!!
To be honest (and selfish), that's something that could be of use to Mrs Don. Her father is seriously ill with leukaemia and has had a couple of strokes which have paralysed him on his right side. At the moment there's nothing that's immediately life-threatening but if he takes a turn for the worse then she might want to go to the US to be with him.

At the moment that would involve a 2 week quarantine stateside which could mean the whole trip would be pointless, followed by another 2 weeks when she gets home.

If these tests are effective and quick (big ifs IMO) then maybe she could be with her dad should the need arise.
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Well yes, the wrong sort of people would benefit from free school meals.
Obviously, I mean if you can't arrange your trust funds to feed your kids why should we help out?
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Obviously, I mean if you can't arrange your trust funds to feed your kids why should we help out?
I blame the children, why didn't they simply choose to be born to millionaire parents?
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A further 21,331 coronavirus cases in the UK have been announced by the government, taking the UK's total to 762,542.

The official figures also announce a further 241 deaths.

These include 213 in England, 15 in Scotland, 10 in Wales and three in Northern Ireland.
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Meanwhile the government demonstrates once again its complete inability to negotiate.

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The failure to agree a £65m package of support will mean a "winter of hardship" for Greater Manchester if tier three measures are imposed, the region's mayor has said.

Andy Burnham said tighter measures "would be certain to increase levels of poverty, homelessness and hardship".

He added ministers "walked away" from negotiations over aid earlier today.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54617898

I'm sure that Andy Burnham was driving a hard deal on behalf of the people of Manchester but then again as an ex-mayor of London I would have thought that Boris Johnson would have understood that and made the necessary accommodations to come to a mutually acceptable outcome.

It seems that the government's approach is simply to attempt to rule by diktat and if someone with devolved power has the temerity to fight their corner then the government storms off in high dudgeon and/or accuses them of being disloyal, unpatriotic or racist.
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A further 21,331 coronavirus cases in the UK have been announced by the government, taking the UK's total to 762,542.

The official figures also announce a further 241 deaths.

These include 213 in England, 15 in Scotland, 10 in Wales and three in Northern Ireland.
A number of my right wing Facebook acquaintances are bemoaning the upcoming lockdown in Wales saying it's disproportionate given the current low number of deaths and that Monmouthshire is comparatively low risk so we should be a special case.

I disagree because:
  • The whole of Wales being on lockdown means the rules are clear to everyone
  • It engenders a feeling of "all being in it together" instead of one rule for those of us living in the leafy shires and another for the poor ******* in The Valleys
  • Monmouthshire's infection rate is growing alarmingly. A few weeks ago Newport was put into enhanced measures. Our current rate now is higher than theirs and higher than when they went into.
  • Hospitalisation and death statistics trail infections by weeks. We found out in March and April that if deaths start to spike, it's already far too late to get infection under control
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To put things into perspective, the £22 million the government is providing to support businesses in Greater Manchester during an actual pandemic is £30 million less than Boris spent on a bridge that doesn't exist in London
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£7000 = day rate for a Test & Trace management consultant.

£8 = amount per head for people of Manchester.
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The good news for Johnson is that people in proud northern cities are not ones to hold a grudge.
You can read all about it in the Sun newspaper next time you are in Liverpool.
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The good news for Johnson is that people in proud northern cities are not ones to hold a grudge.
You can read all about it in the Sun newspaper next time you are in Liverpool.
Many of us here will get the reference, some won't

But the Tory vote in Manchester will have taken quite a hit, and I'm so sad about that.
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The good news for Johnson is that people in proud northern cities are not ones to hold a grudge.
You can read all about it in the Sun newspaper next time you are in Liverpool.
He did promise that he’d repay the ‘loaned’ votes, folk just forgot to ask in what way he would repay them. Once again those voting for the face eating leopard allied with the scorpion party are surprised that the leopard has ate their face and they’ve been stung by the scorpion.
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