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24th December 2017, 01:12 AM | #161 |
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No, real scientists do not assume that because something appears to be counterintuitive it must be wrong, because common sense has proved to be a very poor guide to the nature of the universe. Most of modern physics is counterintuitive. Deal with it.
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Do not do it more difficult than it is.
Earth is round, do you agree? It's not wrong wrong with that point of view right ? Similarly, when a rock falls on Earth, it is not the Earth that falls on the stone. Much as simple as BS on Jens Peter Jensen's plowed field. It is not the Earth that is ******* on the Bulls
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24th December 2017, 01:29 AM | #163 |
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Yes I agree the earth is round even though my common sense tells me it's flat. I also agree that the earth goes round the sun even though I can see the sun moving through the sky. In both cases there is plenty of evidence that contradicts what my intuition tells me, so I overrule it. You should do the same.
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24th December 2017, 03:28 AM | #164 |
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So, what did she say about; what theoretical cause / effect connection there is between matter and the curvature of space.
HOW the curvature of space is the cause of the biggest CAT weight is 123 ton.. How the CAT know that space beneath it is "curved", and - what that have to do with the cause of gravity ? Which pedagogy was used when she learned about all that ? brainwash ? or how ? Keep it all cool fellow it is better for the brain. |
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You tell the BS from the facts by looking at the evidence. The evidence overwhelmingly supports Relativity, and says that your theories are the ones full of BS. The period covered by your thread title, far from being one in which Relativity started to fall apart, was actually one in which it received even more support with the detection of gravitational waves.
What we should teach the children is what the evidence tells us. That's that the earth is round. You're the one suggesting that we should teach that the earth is flat, regardless of the evidence, as that's what our intuition and common sense tell us. The idea that the earth is round is BS according to your criteria. |
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24th December 2017, 06:03 AM | #171 |
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Fascinating. That’s an awful lot of hubris from a person who has been consistently wrong since they started posting. I’m not surprised. It takes a LOT of hubris to look at a well established theory that’s the basis of multiple working techniques and conclude it HAS to be wrong just because the claimant doesn’t understand it. Your entire argument consists of extrapolating your limitations to the rest of humanity. I cannot fathom an ego so fragile that such thinking is needed. |
24th December 2017, 06:37 AM | #172 |
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I never denied that gravitational existed, only that I was not sure whether we would succeed to measure such.
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Here's a tip for you, Bjarne.
If you're going to be a rebel and an iconoclast, you must first get your most basic facts straight. If you can't show the most basic competence, the more sophisticated parts have no credibility. And your comment shows that you have no faint understanding of the basics of gravity. The gravitational attraction between any two objects pulls on both objects with the same magnitude. The earth is not fixed (although it is much more massive than a rock). So, yes, Bjarne, when you drop a rock, the earth falls toward it. For a rock which you or I can pick up in the first place the displacement is so small as to be entirely unmeasurable by any practical technique - that is, by a miniscule amount. A Real Scientist (which you seem to consider yourself to be) understands that miniscule and zero are not the same thing. Or, as Galileo (a Real Scientist) remarked,
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24th December 2017, 01:36 PM | #180 |
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Ok folks, how is the downfall of Relativity going so far?
2018 is coming. Just sayin' |
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First small crack can bee seen allready now (2017) , by a none BW person.
Three more, (same kind) but 100% complete I am pretty sure will be measured in 2018, 2019 and 2020 etc..... http://www.sciepub.com/portal/downlo...faac-3-2-3.pdf And finally we will have the final deathblow when the ISS data is ready, late 2019 , or latest 2020 |
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How do you account for all the technology that utilizes relativity, such as the entire GPS satellite system? Oh, that’s right. You can’t. Have you considered jumping on the Flat Earth bandwagon? Your brand of reality denial would fit in well with that crowd. They can’t tell the difference between moral relativism and Einstein’s theories, so your ramblings would make you their Stephen Hawking. |
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GPS is na commercial project, - not a dedicated scientific project.
The main job is to have it to work, not to ask too many questions, complicated to answer. Why do you think it is necessary to test relativity on board ISS, just for fun? Because taxpayer love wasting their money on NOTHING? Only relative few GPS satellites will show periodical contradictions. Time dilation is true, however things are different in a necessary absolute reference frame. |
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That says nothing at all about the principles involved in its workings.
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25th December 2017, 07:11 AM | #187 |
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The Theory of Relativity will begin to fall apart in 2016/2017 - Part II
I trimmed the irrelevant blither-blather. You concede that the time dilation is real, yet argue against the theory that not only best explains it, but predicted it long before the technology existed to measure it. I find it hilarious that you agree to parts of Relativity when technology rubs your nose in it. How, exactly, is time dilation supposed to exist in an absolute reference frame? The very existence of the time dilation means you are not working in an absolute reference frame. |
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No, technically the GPS satellite constellation is a military project. Commercial and civil applications are just side benefits. As of 2000 civilian accuracy is no longer intentionally degraded but it still requires dual-frequency GPS equipment to take full advantage of that increased accuracy.
https://www.gps.gov/systems/gps/space/ https://www.gps.gov/systems/gps/performance/accuracy/ In case you've missed it, the main job of science is to have its projects work also. Evidently it has never been your responsibility to get something to work or maintain it working. As answering questions, concerning functionality, particularly those "complicated to answer" are exactly what you are required to do. No, because science always tests itself. Why would you think it was not "necessary" to try to test, falsify or simply refine scientific hypothesis, theory and/or laws? In school we repeated many fundamental physics and chemistry experiments (same thing in electronics), not for fun, "wasting their money on NOTHING" or even simply for education but to show those fundamental principles as valid and directly demonstrable. This part... "Time dilation is true..." contradicts this part... "...a necessary absolute reference frame." Do please let us know when your assertions can just agree with simply themselves. |
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Not with GPS III satellites, they will, at least purportedly, lack that capability.
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Not all the GPS crap again, that discussion is over, go back and read my answers
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We have discussed GPS in weeks, in this thread already, that’s enough. Let say that also the summer 2018 ADG measurement on Greenland, confirms the summer 2017 prediction, and let say this time Measurement is taken excactly as recommended. That day it will be evidently that the Earth is acceleration at least 5e-7m/s^2 Do you know it will then only take the earth 19 million years to reach "c" Do you understand what such simple measurement can do to science? So fellow in the meantime take it easy, get the concrete out of your ears. Relativity is sometime quite different as the massive brainwash going on tells you. After the summer 2018 Measurement we can return to the GPS bla bla bla bla bla , and you will understand why this discussion is so relative silly. An absolutte reference frame MUST exist. |
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Originally Posted by Bjarne
By the way, 2016 and now 2017 are part of the past and so far, how is that "falling" from the thread title going? |
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Yes, I know it's been discussed with most of what you still say about it still being crap. The crap has to stop with you if you actually want it to stop.
No, let's not just say crap, about GPS, about Earth reaching the speed of light, about "An absolutte reference frame MUST exist.", about concrete or people not taking your crap "easy". It's your crap, only you can stop it. Not doing so only indicates that you encourage crap and as a result are going to get your own crap, even about GPS, repeatedly thrown back at you. So crap away, it will not help you get away from your own crap. |
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"then only take"? What, it just started? Did you know the Earth is about 3.5 billion years old? That's about, well, 3.5 billion years longer than your 19 million years (0.019 billion years) or about 184 times your 19 million years. What makes you think your claimed "acceleration" couldn't have started just a mere 100 million years ago? Just about 3% less than the Earths current age yet still over five times your 19 million. Again, the crap will come back at you. |
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Will reach 'C' relative to what?
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Bjarne...
Or more specifically Bjarne's "absolutte reference frame" that "MUST exist" for, well, Bjarne. I can't recall it actually ever being defined. Though, if I do recall correctly he may confuse simply a flat space time with an "absolutte reference frame". However, I could be conflating cranks here. |
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