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28th December 2017, 04:04 AM | #321 |
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Just a clarification: I am quite sure that when Bjarne speaks of absolute "rest" and "motion", he means in rest or motion relative to some mysterious coordinate grid that represents all positions in the multiverse. He himself has stated that it is impossible to determine if an object is in motion or not, and he has even stated that possibly the entire universe is in motion. But because nothing is linked to this grid, he cannot define rest relative to anything else. This grid is a pure fiction in his mind.
At one point he did go out on a limb by claiming that motion could be determined relative to the CMB. He has since ignored calls to expand on this concept, but it would be interesting to know if he regards the CMB as something that is at absolute rest. |
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The point is, (as pointed out at least 10 times), - no (absolute) motion without relativistic consequences can exist..
It is amazing that still no one have understood the meaning of that simple statement.. This mean if you will increase your already existing absolute speed, time will thick slower. So fare everything will be according to the holy fanatic book. If you will decrease the absolute motion already effecting you (which for example will happen periodically when moving north on board the ISS) - then you clock will tick FASTER. – Completely opposite of what SR predict. And this is moment of truth, it’s a moment where the theory of relativity will crack, in a way that cannot be repaired with any kind of rubbish or nonsense, such as dark matter and bla la bla.. as usually is used to clean up … You cannot measure absolute rest, because you can only measure relative to a clock on Earth. Ohh now I told you a lie. You actually can, but first you must invent a spacecraft that can compete with the absolute speed already effecting you. Let say you will invent it and it can reach c, - now just jump up into it, and move opposite DFA, so long you clock tick faster (compared to a clock on Earth) you can use the SR-time dilation equation, and calculate backwards, - based on the faster clock (relative to a clock on earth) it is simple to calculate how fast the earth is moving. Because it’s only a question of backwards speed, and YOU WILL BE AT ABSOLUTTE REST.’ To counteract the speed that affects you I believe you must move opposite DFA by about 300 km/s – But who knows, maybe you have to move 200.000 km/s backwards, there could be much more surprises down in the rabbit hole. |
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A question for you, Bjarne: Does an object at absolute rest have mass? If not, what happens if an object that moves crashes into an object that is at rest?
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I've sent a few links from this thread to a Creationist associate of mine. He's interested in your ideas and is going to look into incorporating them into his upcoming book "Hydrino Science and the Bible."
I'd say, "You're welcome," but frankly unless you jump on this fast you're going to end up nothing more than a footnote in Creationist physics writing as a guy who came up with an idea that other people fleshed out. You're spending too much time arguing with people who know your ideas are poppycock and not enough time trying to sell them to people who have their own ax to grind against real science. You're just spinning your wheels here. That's fine if you're only here to troll or otherwise amuse yourself, but a very poor choice if you ever want to achieve anything with your theories. |
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Ummm, ...
Maybe you have not heard this bit of information, but if objects do crash into one another, then those objects do exist. In fact, objects have to exist in order to crash into one another. If you do not believe me, then watch a roller derby, football game or a demolition derby sometime. |
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Given the nature of your claims it seems reasonable to reference an animal that includes cecal eating as part of its digestive process.
https://www.hrss.net/aar/care/care_diet_cecals.html |
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Wow that was a lot of words to avoid something Bjarne:
Your theory predicts that any orbiting system: planets, satellites and galaxies that are inclined and not parallel to the alleged force of your 'dark flow' will show a bifurcated change in motion It does not need to be calculated it should be observed. Yet it is not, it should be especially noticeable in galaxy rotation curves, where the motion of stars around the galaxy center should show the bifurcated changes in motion. Why doesn't it? |
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As to the thread title: did it fall apart?
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What I explained about all orbits that are not exactly perpendicular to your alleged 'dark flow'.
Any other orbit will have an increase in motion on one side of the orbit and a decrease in motion on the other side of the orbit. Any orbit that is parallel to your 'dark flow' will show a marked decrease in one half of the orbit and a marked increase in the other half of the orbit. This is a consequence of your hypothesis. Why isn't it observed and measured? Especially in galaxies whose plane of rotation is aligned with your 'dark flow'. |
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Pro-tip: Read Bjarne's posts in the voice of Tommy Wiseau. It helps.
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I thought this is what you meant, but I was not sure.
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The effect of increased and decreased vertical motion its not so strong as EFDA. EDFA effects both nodes with the same force all the time. It is the reduced or addition Dark Flow (DF) speed that counts. The speed of Mercury = 47000 m/s - inclination 7° - You can therefore calculate the up/down speed variation of the nodes to +/- 5500m/s, - this will give you a relativistic RR effect = 0.0000000001680556 m/s2 If the ASAM also is 47000 m/s RR will impact the inclination half of the orbit time. This means stronger RR caused by ASAM However the DFA is overall stronger and will win. If the ASAM speed increased to be for example 3 times the node speed, ASAM will start to take over. I am too lazy to calculate exact. Every schoolboy can do it. The more tilted the orbit is relative to DFA the stronger ASAM will interact and sooner or later dominate. If the orbit become mainly aligned with the DFA axis the orbit will collapse. You live on an old moon. Once a Giant planet, much bigger as Jupiter crashed down on the Sun. Total chaos was ruling between a few hundred moons that planet had. Few Moons survived;- Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars. Some of these moons (now planets) captured a few other of Titanic’s Moon.. The aroid belt is also rubbish left by this chaotic time. – Water did not come here. However, the Earth included water was brought here, by Titanic. One day we will lose Mercury, then Venus, Earth, Mars, and next Jupiter. If lucky the Moon Europa will survive, it will have ocean and maybe also land, cows, brainwashed fools, idiots an potatoes could one day work / live on that planet / old moon. Maybe they will be more open minded.
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Yes, this is true if ASAM not existed. Don’t underestimate the force or ASAM and don’t overestimate the force of addition / reduce node up/down speed . The angular inclination only happens when RR influence of ASAM is weaker as the effect caused by variation of the vertical force. The faster orbit speed, the faster the planet will respond to both ASAM and the vertical force. Mercury is the fastest planet to respond to both changings, hence also faster to be aligned with DFA. The slower outer planets are many times slower to respond. So if you ask why, you must first at all know the inclination history , that’s sure. In all cases, this influence is very small (as you see on the minus 10 to minus 12 scale) and very slow working especially for the outer slow planets and objects, therefore you have the planet X superstition. |
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What I find fascinating that now we have at least three competing theories claiming modern day physics is wrong (because math is hard). This one, the very fluctuating Mills one and the Electric comet/universe one.
Yet the three theories are mutually exclusive. And, interestingly enough, all three theories would predict that actually observed effects cannot happen. So rather than explaining things we don't know, they claim what we see and measure is wrong. Bjarne, like the EC one, if your theory were right not a SINGLE spacecraft launched would have reached its destination. Yet they all did. |
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No this would deliberately ignore the "absorbing" aspect you just asserted.
You can't support your "thesis" by deliberately ignoring asserted aspects of it. My underwear is elastic yet, in and of itself, results in no rotation. Elasticity doesn't imbue rotation. Baseless assertion. If Venous wasn't already retrograde the other "orbits" wouldn't seem retrograde "from a Venus perspective". Your assertion is simply "The retrograde orbit of Venus is caused by the retrograde orbit of", well, Venus. Well then by all means please show your calculations demonstrating this. "could...", "could..." and "could..."? Now, you're not willing to "to walk the plank"? All those assertions before without the "could"s (even the absorption one you ignore) already put you well out there. That whole bit about the retrograde orbit of Venus when it is the rotation (not orbit) of Venus that is retrograde demonstrate that your feet are anywhere but on the ground, safe or otherwise. |
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Yep, and apparently thinks it subsumes all other reference frames, perspectives and realities (referring to coordinate transformations as reality transformations). A typical crank perspective that their notions or perspective includes all others but demonstrating it actually includes none, since it can't be defined and would have to include mutually exclusive perspectives. |
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Nope, again as pointed out multiple times an absolute rest frame can't be defined.
We all understand the meaning of the statement, you just want to claim an absolute rest frame without being able to define it. Nope, wrong again, your own clocks can not tick faster or slower for you (that's what makes them your clocks) they can only tick faster or slower compared to some other clocks. Nope if your are moving at close to c relative to the Earth then the Earth is moving at close to c relative to you. That gets you no closer to an absolute rest frame than anything else you have claimed. Particularly your first assertion in this post where you basically claim an absolute frame is still has to be relative. Great so once again you simply assert that you don't know, even just your own notions. |
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And once again it is still nonsense, in order for the other planet rotations to seem retrograde to Venus would mean that Venus already has a retrograde rotation compared to the other planets. Hence that perception can't be the cause as it is a priori requirement of said perception. |
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Also given Bjarne has a terminal limit it must be such that it hasn't reached that terminal limit yet (over billions of years). Otherwise you wouldn't know if there actually were not such acceleration ever or the terminal limit had simply been reached (perhaps billions of years ago). ETA: I seem to recall the terminal speed being 600 km/s some posts back, but now Bjarne is tossing "300 km/s", "200.000 km/s" and "– But who knows" around indicating again it is all just crap from his arse as just 0 km/s (relative to anything) would fit the "– But who knows" definition criteria. |
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