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Old 5th October 2021, 05:52 AM   #281
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Originally Posted by Wudang View Post
Between 2010 and 2020 the government closed 164 of 320 magistrate's courts - 51%.
Via deputy news editor of Law Society Gazette on twitter
Well apart from giving the women from the WI something to do surely it is better to have people settle stuff between themselves? Like bung a restaurant owner a few bob if you've been having a laugh and thrown a fire extinguisher through their window?
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Old 5th October 2021, 05:58 AM   #282
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Coincidently made a comment about "one bad apple" in another thread not long ago, it is appropriate here:

It's strange how that phrase has subtly changed its usage, it is now used to say, "this is a lone individual everyone else is OK", whereas it used to be used to recognise that the one bad apple means everyone is also spoiled.

And that is what happens in any organisation, company and so on, it is very rare an individual works in isolation. We know his colleagues were aware he shouldn't be in the police force yet did nothing.

As I have said before, it's not just the batch that gets spoiled, but the spores go into the wood, so it spoils the barrel itself.
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Old 5th October 2021, 07:12 AM   #283
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Thread in the Times but referencing a Women's Hour programme from March
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/...202688512?s=20


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“It’s fair to say sex on duty was seen by some as being a perk of the job,” she says

“It left me feeling like I didn’t know who to talk to about it

Saying to the concerned man, ‘Don’t do this to me. Don’t do this to her, just don’t do this at all’, made no difference”
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Another example of sexism in the police. Police Scotland has lost an industrial tribunal, where they had tried to buy the silence of a victimised female police officer with a NDA.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58809585

"The culture in an armed policing unit within Police Scotland was "horrific" and an "absolute boys' club", an employment tribunal has found.
It accepted evidence of a "sexist culture" in the armed response vehicles unit (ARV) in the east of Scotland."

The tribunal found the evidence from Police Scotland was "contradictory, confusing and ultimately incredible", the judgement goes on to say "Of equal concern is the employment tribunal's findings that it did not consider credible much of the evidence it heard from Police Scotland's witnesses, including testimony from high-ranking police officers and senior members of staff."

That is in the backdrop of a recent exposure that Police Scotland has spent £220,000 in two years on Non-disclosure agreements to stop female police officers from speaking out,

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/new...-orders-women/

That is proof the Police Scotland are not interested in recognising and changing the sexist culture, but instead it wants to cover up and buy silence.
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Old 6th October 2021, 03:01 AM   #285
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Originally Posted by Nessie View Post
Another example of sexism in the police. Police Scotland has lost an industrial tribunal, where they had tried to buy the silence of a victimised female police officer with a NDA.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58809585

"The culture in an armed policing unit within Police Scotland was "horrific" and an "absolute boys' club", an employment tribunal has found.
It accepted evidence of a "sexist culture" in the armed response vehicles unit (ARV) in the east of Scotland."

The tribunal found the evidence from Police Scotland was "contradictory, confusing and ultimately incredible", the judgement goes on to say "Of equal concern is the employment tribunal's findings that it did not consider credible much of the evidence it heard from Police Scotland's witnesses, including testimony from high-ranking police officers and senior members of staff."

That is in the backdrop of a recent exposure that Police Scotland has spent £220,000 in two years on Non-disclosure agreements to stop female police officers from speaking out,

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/new...-orders-women/

That is proof the Police Scotland are not interested in recognising and changing the sexist culture, but instead it wants to cover up and buy silence.

All those officers found to be "not credible" should be immediately sacked for gross misconduct.

There is also a potential knock-on effect in prosecution cases, if a case involves statements from any of these officers, then they will be open to the defence going after their credibility. Could even go on to be grounds for appeals.
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Old 6th October 2021, 07:58 AM   #286
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-58805186
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A woman who was pictured being arrested at the Sarah Everard vigil has said "about 50" police officers have since contacted her via a dating app, leaving her "terrified".

Patsy Stevenson, 28, said the officers approached her on Tinder after she was handcuffed at the vigil on 13 March.

She said they knew she was "fearful of police" and had done it "for a reason".
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All those officers found to be "not credible" should be immediately sacked for gross misconduct.

There is also a potential knock-on effect in prosecution cases, if a case involves statements from any of these officers, then they will be open to the defence going after their credibility. Could even go on to be grounds for appeals.
It is more likely they will be promoted, as Police Scotland dig in and insist they showed fine judgement and did nothing wrong. The urge to deny the obvious runs deep and strong in police management.
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A member of police staff has been issued with a gross misconduct notice over their handling of Plymouth gunman Jake Davison's application for a shotgun certificate.

Davison shot and killed five people in Keyham, Plymouth, on 12 August.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) said the certificate was returned to Davison weeks before the killings.

A second person - a police officer - has received a misconduct notice.

The misconduct notice relates to the handling of two assaults in 2020

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-58814611
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Old 7th October 2021, 02:12 AM   #289
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https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/new...-trial-8392950

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A high-ranking policeman who served in Hackney and Camden has kept his job after trying to seduce the victim of an attempted robbery.

Detective Chief Inspector James Mason, then a detective sergeant with Camden Police, told the woman he was “as determined in the pursuit of crime as he was of beautiful women”.


After taking her statement at Kentish Town police station in 2011, he emailed her the next day telling her she was “amazingly hot” and that he had “no shame and could get fired”.
Gross misconduct leads to a hold on being promoted for three years.
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Friendly chaps these police officers, eh? https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...igil-on-tinder
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On a lighter note, if this doesn't take the cake, I don't know what does.....

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PC Chris Dwyer is alleged to have taken the items from the canteen at Halifax police station in January.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-58842137
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Just to reinforce the point made a number of times, that bad and, indeed, criminal behaviour is far more common than police leaders and some politicians would have us believe, here's a helpful summary from the Chronicle - https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news...astle-21781692
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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King View Post
Just to reinforce the point made a number of times, that bad and, indeed, criminal behaviour is far more common than police leaders and some politicians would have us believe, here's a helpful summary from the Chronicle - https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news...astle-21781692
That news site has a similar article about Devon & Cornwall Police officers who have recently been convicted of serious crimes

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/co...police-5048888

Then there is this in today's Telegraph, most of which is behind a paywall, but you get the drift;

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...nocent-people/

"Met Police 'ordered child abuse detectives to caution innocent people to hit targets'
Officer claims he was told to tamper with evidence at the scene of a baby's death and was disciplined after he complained"
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Just from today, the BBC finds;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58866432

"At least 750 allegations of sexual misconduct were made against serving police officers across Britain over five years, new figures show.
Data was obtained from 31 police forces in England, Wales and Scotland under the Freedom of Information Act."

Of those, the Daily Record reports;

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...ainst-25180297

"Shocking figures reveal there were 245 counts of sexual misconduct made against 166 police officers and special constables in Scotland in the last four years - but there were no dismissals."

Anyone who suggests that this is an isolated problem with a few bad apples in the police, is wrong.
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And from The Independent (using information collected for C4's Dispatches) - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1935993.html
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Another example of sexism in the police. Police Scotland has lost an industrial tribunal, where they had tried to buy the silence of a victimised female police officer with a NDA.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58809585

"The culture in an armed policing unit within Police Scotland was "horrific" and an "absolute boys' club", an employment tribunal has found.
It accepted evidence of a "sexist culture" in the armed response vehicles unit (ARV) in the east of Scotland."

The tribunal found the evidence from Police Scotland was "contradictory, confusing and ultimately incredible", the judgement goes on to say "Of equal concern is the employment tribunal's findings that it did not consider credible much of the evidence it heard from Police Scotland's witnesses, including testimony from high-ranking police officers and senior members of staff."

That is in the backdrop of a recent exposure that Police Scotland has spent £220,000 in two years on Non-disclosure agreements to stop female police officers from speaking out,

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/new...-orders-women/

That is proof the Police Scotland are not interested in recognising and changing the sexist culture, but instead it wants to cover up and buy silence.
It is pretty standard for employers to issue NDA's to staff complaining of acts protected by employment law.

I hate to sound cynical but I wonder if Rhona Malone only won her recent case because of all the publicity over Couzens? Suddenly the police are going to re-vet its new recruits over the last ten years.
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The Times have now upped the ante;

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/s...cers-fnt9blkd7

"Two thousand police have been accused of sexual misconduct, including rape, over the past four years.
In nearly two thirds of cases officers accused of sexual violence and of abusing their power for personal gratification faced no further action."
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
It is pretty standard for employers to issue NDA's to staff complaining of acts protected by employment law.

I hate to sound cynical but I wonder if Rhona Malone only won her recent case because of all the publicity over Couzens? Suddenly the police are going to re-vet its new recruits over the last ten years.
I suspect Malone was pushing against an opening door, where those on the Tribunal were more favoured to believe her, because of all of the recent revelations. But reading about the case, Police Scotland's witnesses were dreadful, because they were trying to cover up misconduct.

I do not see how sexual harassment is protected by employment law, or is that what you meant? Police Scotland are clearly using NDAs to silence victims of misconduct, which is wrong.
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"Met policeman who sent a photo of his penis to a female ex-colleague and asked her on a date to 'teach him anything other than police work' kept his job after being reported to the force"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-reported.html

Presently in the UK, a police officer can do anything he wants to a woman, short of rape and murder and he will keep his job.
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Originally Posted by Nessie View Post
"Met policeman who sent a photo of his penis to a female ex-colleague and asked her on a date to 'teach him anything other than police work' kept his job after being reported to the force"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-reported.html

Presently in the UK, a police officer can do anything he wants to a woman, short of rape and murder and he will keep his job.
Why is "sent a photo of his penis" in the same sentence as "asked her on a date"? In what way are the two behaviours remotely comparable?
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Originally Posted by Nessie View Post
"Met policeman who sent a photo of his penis to a female ex-colleague and asked her on a date to 'teach him anything other than police work' kept his job after being reported to the force"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-reported.html

Presently in the UK, a police officer can do anything he wants to a woman, short of rape and murder and he will keep his job.
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Why is "sent a photo of his penis" in the same sentence as "asked her on a date"? In what way are the two behaviours remotely comparable?
You may find his behaviour to be sleazy but that sort of behaviour is not uncommon these days when “courting” someone. Many of the “dating” apps make sharing of private pictures a feature.

If she had been a colleague I would say he probably should lose his job but that behaviour was outside the work environment so unless it was classed as harassment (which is of course illegal) I don’t think he should be sacked.
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You may find his behaviour to be sleazy but that sort of behaviour is not uncommon these days when “courting” someone. Many of the “dating” apps make sharing of private pictures a feature.

If she had been a colleague I would say he probably should lose his job but that behaviour was outside the work environment so unless it was classed as harassment (which is of course illegal) I don’t think he should be sacked.
Sending unsolicited dick pics is generally considered uncouth, even in our modern dating world. Like most things, consent is what makes all the difference.
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You may find his behaviour to be sleazy but that sort of behaviour is not uncommon these days when “courting” someone. Many of the “dating” apps make sharing of private pictures a feature.

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So, instead of "say it with flowers", it is "say it with your naughty bits". I may now surprise my wife with a dick pick on valentines.
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So, instead of "say it with flowers", it is "say it with your naughty bits twig and berries". I may now surprise my wife with a dick pick on valentines.
FTFY
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So, instead of "say it with flowers", it is "say it with your naughty bits". I may now surprise my wife with a dick pick on valentines.
With police now investigating crimes on social media this could make for some rather strange identity parades.
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Lewis Skelton inquest: Hull man unlawfully killed, jury rules

A man carrying an axe who was fatally shot by police was unlawfully killed, an inquest jury has ruled.

Lewis Skelton, 31, was shot twice in a Hull street in November 2016 after he failed to respond to police instructions to stop.

His family said the jury's decision confirmed what they had always known, that "the killing of Lewis was wrong".

Responding to the verdict, Humberside Police said it was "disappointed" with the conclusion of the jury.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-58930747
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Lewis Skelton inquest: Hull man unlawfully killed, jury rules

A man carrying an axe who was fatally shot by police was unlawfully killed, an inquest jury has ruled.

Lewis Skelton, 31, was shot twice in a Hull street in November 2016 after he failed to respond to police instructions to stop.

His family said the jury's decision confirmed what they had always known, that "the killing of Lewis was wrong".

Responding to the verdict, Humberside Police said it was "disappointed" with the conclusion of the jury.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-58930747
I'm not a fan of UK policing but this is a bad decision.
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I'm not a fan of UK policing but this is a bad decision.
I wonder if it is a backlash decision, based on the recent series of bad publicity revelations about police behaviour and how often police officers have been getting away with murder, pun intended.
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The article doesn’t really give much detail so I’ve no idea if it was a good call or not by the jury. It could be a matter of the police officer simply not following the police guidelines to the letter and so on.
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"Met policeman who sent a photo of his penis to a female ex-colleague and asked her on a date to 'teach him anything other than police work' kept his job after being reported to the force"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-reported.html

Presently in the UK, a police officer can do anything he wants to a woman, short of rape and murder and he will keep his job.
Just as long as he paid pull price for his biscuits...
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