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Old 11th October 2021, 01:31 PM   #201
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It's not really an update, but a few days ago the DA expressed some frustration on their Facebook about how completely terribly the investigation was handled. Some internet sleuths apparently know who the kid is, and the comments say the father, police, and commissioner are associated somehow. Take that with an excessive grain of salt...it's facebook after all.
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Old 12th October 2021, 03:59 PM   #202
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The Waller County District Attorney released a statement Monday regarding the investigation into the coal-rolling teenager who ran over six cyclists on September 25. The DA has now accused the Waller Police Department of not handling the case appropriately because they failed to treat the scene of the incident as a crime scene.
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Old 12th October 2021, 04:05 PM   #203
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Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
I partially agree. To me the context here is what makes trying him as an adult valid. While the act was childish, and petty. He didn't just make an individual mistake and it was over. He repeatedly did this to multiple groups of cyclists until he ended up permanently disabling, and causing brain damage, to 6+ bikers.

The severity and duration of the crime, to me, means he should be brought up on adult charges. Kids that act in the heat of the moment, etc. Sure, try them as kids. A sustained attack on multiple groups of people, nope. You crossed the line.
The consequences of his actions don't make him any older or more mature.
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Then he shouldn’t be allowed to drive two tons of machine on a public road.
I would support raising the driving age to 18, but good luck with that in Texas. Still, he's a 16-year old, not an adult.
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Old 12th October 2021, 09:56 PM   #204
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If we're going to accept that 16-year-olds aren't mature enough to owe the same accountability for their actions when they choose to drive recklessly, then logically we cannot justify licensing them to drive. Because their accidents will certainly maim and/or kill the same number of people as an adult's.
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Old 13th October 2021, 06:17 AM   #205
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
If we're going to accept that 16-year-olds aren't mature enough to owe the same accountability for their actions when they choose to drive recklessly, then logically we cannot justify licensing them to drive. Because their accidents will certainly maim and/or kill the same number of people as an adult's.
Exactly.
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Old 13th October 2021, 06:48 AM   #206
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
If we're going to accept that 16-year-olds aren't mature enough to owe the same accountability for their actions when they choose to drive recklessly, then logically we cannot justify licensing them to drive. Because their accidents will certainly maim and/or kill the same number of people as an adult's.
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Exactly.
I absolutely agree with this as well.

I'm also not overly comfortable with the fact that, at 17 years old, he'd only have to spend a year in juvenile detention before his release. Which, I'm assuming without anything to back it up, is how being tried as a juvenile would work. You're locked up until you're an adult and then you're free.

This kid is already getting treated with kid gloves, pun intended.
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Maybe we should consider adulthood at that age not to be a fixed thing, but to depend on circumstances. It's an age when you are, in a sense, both minor and adult. So, for example, if a 16 year old does a dumb thing in high school, he's a juvenile still. But if he's going to drive on the highway, he and the parents who permitted it have agreed to count him as an adult there.

If that's not possible, then if he's to be considered a child, he ought to be put under a protracted guardianship, having muffed his chance at autonomy. I suspect, for example, that he's done more material harm than Britney Spears.
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Guys, this is Texas. Whether he will be treated as a juvenile or an adult will be decided on the totality of the circumstances. Class being the most important circumstance. See: investigation at crime scene.
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