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Old 7th October 2021, 03:43 AM   #2121
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Originally Posted by zooterkin View Post
Has there been any progress in the handling of Pfizer vaccines? I ask as my partner's mother is in a care home, and they were vaccinated with the Astrazeneca vaccine partly because it was easier to handle. The boosters are going to be Pfizer, and I was wondering if the logistics were easier now. Getting all the residents to a place where the vaccine is being kept cold is going to be nigh-on impossible.
Yes it has.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-re...stability-data
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Old 7th October 2021, 11:09 PM   #2122
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Australia hit 30 million vaccination doses today. That's 81.5% first dose and 60.2% second dose.
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Old 8th October 2021, 07:14 PM   #2123
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Australia hit 30 million vaccination doses today. That's 81.5% first dose and 60.2% second dose.
That's because of tyrannical government control!
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Old 12th October 2021, 06:31 AM   #2124
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Australia hit 30 million vaccination doses today. That's 81.5% first dose and 60.2% second dose.

Percentage of what?! Share of people vaccinated against COVID-19, Oct 11, 2021: AUS
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Old 12th October 2021, 11:47 AM   #2125
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Um the population?
https://www.health.gov.au/initiative...ers-statistics
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Old 12th October 2021, 11:49 AM   #2126
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Originally Posted by macdoc View Post
No, a subset of the population.
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Old 12th October 2021, 01:11 PM   #2127
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Originally Posted by macdoc View Post
There are different figures depending on whether you are talking about the population as a whole (which I favour) or the population eligible for a shot (which seems to be the figures arthwollipot was referring to).
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Old 12th October 2021, 04:16 PM   #2128
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I think the understood standard is eligible population. Babies not likely to vector covid.
I do think 90% 6 years and up will make very liveable difference in many countries but I'm quite happy with Queensland keeping the borders locked out and no covid so no restrictions other than mandatory contact tracing.

Wait it out...will be a while - should edit the title to End of the Beginning.
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Old 12th October 2021, 04:53 PM   #2129
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Originally Posted by macdoc View Post
I think the understood standard is eligible population. Babies not likely to vector covid.
I do think 90% 6 years and up will make very liveable difference in many countries but I'm quite happy with Queensland keeping the borders locked out and no covid so no restrictions other than mandatory contact tracing.

Wait it out...will be a while - should edit the title to End of the Beginning.
I don't think that is the universally understood standard at all. Most trackers I see that compare countries take in the whole population. The one that you linked to said 63.4% of people over 16, but in many countries you can be vaccinated over the age of 12. It would be silly to compare countries only in terms of eligibility and at the very least a request to clarify does not deserve an eye-roll emoji.
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Yes, in Australia it's generally expressed as the percentage of the population aged 12+, since that's the population that the vaccines are authorised for.
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Old 12th October 2021, 09:23 PM   #2131
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In the UK it's percentage of the total population that's used (currently 67.4% fully vaccinated).

I prefer that as it's easier to compare with estimates of the percentage required for herd immunity.
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Old 12th October 2021, 11:00 PM   #2132
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Yes, in Australia it's generally expressed as the percentage of the population aged 12+, since that's the population that the vaccines are authorised for.

Be careful with that one. Sweden has been doing the same thing, which has led Swedish journalists and politicians to celebrate Sweden's superiority in the field of vaccinations with headlines like, 'Best in the Nordics,' when in fact Sweden was worst. They compared Sweden's percentage of 16+ with the other Nordic countries, which all used percentage of the whole population.
Even without the international comparisons, it confuses people when a country changes its subset of vaccine-eligibles, e.g. from 16+ to 12+.
Since some countries vaccinate 16+, others 12+ (and Cuba 2+), the best percentage for international comparisons is percentage of population. If you use any others, you should make it clear what you are doing.
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Old 12th October 2021, 11:41 PM   #2133
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Having just said that, the Therapeutic Goods Administration has just issued a release granting a provisional determination to Pfizer for children between 5 and 11:

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On 12 October 2021, the TGA, part of the Department of Health, granted a provisional determination to Pfizer Australia Pty Ltd in relation to its Covid-19 Vaccine, COMIRNATY.

Currently, COMIRNATY is provisionally approved for use in individuals 12 years of age or older. The granting of this determination means that Pfizer is now eligible to apply to vary the provisional approval for the vaccine to include children aged 5 to 11 years.

This provisional determination is the first step in the process and does not mean that an application for variation has been made by the sponsor - or that any such variation will be provisionally approved by the TGA.

In making its decision to grant Pfizer a provisional determination for use in individuals 5 to 11 years, the TGA considered eligibility criteria, including factors such as the evidence of a plan to submit comprehensive clinical data in relation to use in this age group - and the seriousness of the current Covid-19 pandemic.
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Old 13th October 2021, 06:14 AM   #2134
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Originally Posted by Pixel42 View Post
In the UK it's percentage of the total population that's used (currently 67.4% fully vaccinated).
Not on the official daily figures; that's been the percentage of the eligible population, and that's changed over time (it's now those aged 12 and up, so currently 85.6% 1st dose, 78.6% 2nd dose).
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Old 13th October 2021, 07:49 AM   #2135
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Originally Posted by zooterkin View Post
Not on the official daily figures; that's been the percentage of the eligible population, and that's changed over time (it's now those aged 12 and up, so currently 85.6% 1st dose, 78.6% 2nd dose).
Oh.

I get the figure from the Guardian front page (updated daily), which gives percentage of total population, and assumed they were just quoting the official daily figure.
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Old 13th October 2021, 08:11 AM   #2136
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I wonder if there is some “nudge” thinking that goes into reporting eligible numbers. If the numbers are bigger, then those who are not yet vaccinated feel odd ones out. Most people don’t want to be the weirdo contrarians.
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Old 13th October 2021, 09:47 PM   #2137
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Maybe. But it could also be that the government wants to report a higher percentage because it looks like they are doing a better job. It's good to know both numbers though.
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