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Old 26th April 2021, 10:00 PM   #321
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Coronavirus - countries (Worldometers, April 26, 2021)
Deaths per million (Total deaths) New cases Serious/Critical
Sweden: 1,372 (13,923) 6,267* 398 *according to SVT.se No new numbers till Tuesday, April 27.
Denmark: 426 (2,477) 704* 39 *of 159,466 tests (0.44%); Fully vacc. 578,849 (9.92% of pop.), 1st dose: 1,222,528 (20,94%).
Finland: 163 (906) 133 33
Norway: 135 (736) 550 42
Iceland: 85 (29) 39 6 - Biggest vaccination week to date
Iceland has 169 active cases, Faroe Islands 1, New Zealand 36
The Faroe Islands have 3 in quarantine, 0 hospitalized
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Old 26th April 2021, 10:07 PM   #322
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
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How can they lend vaccinations? Not much use to anyone once used.
The same way you lend money, I assume, except for the interest!

I guess the idea is that other countries with an urgent need for the AZ vaccines get them faster than they would otherwise. They then owe them to Denmark at some point when the whole thing isn't as urgent anymore and they can then be shipped to other countries that need them, maybe free of charge to poor countries.

Norway, too:
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Iceland will also use an extra 16,000 doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine on loan from Norway, which has decided not to start administering it at this time. Norway and Denmark are the only countries in Europe that are not using the AstraZeneca vaccine.
Biggest vaccination week to date (RUV.is, April 26, 2021)
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Old 26th April 2021, 10:24 PM   #323
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Vårdtrycket avgör hur många som dör på iva
Ju fler som vårdas på intensiven på grund av covid-19, desto mindre är chansen att komma levande därifrån.
Dödligheten bland de patienter som vårdas på en intensivvårdsavdelning (iva) på grund av covid-19 tycks gå jämna steg med hur belastningen ser ut, något som i sin tur styrs av smittspridningen.
- Om det kommer in många samtidigt, ökar dödligheten. Så om man ska bli sjuk, ska man alltså bli det när ingen annan blir sjuk, säger Thomas Lindén, avdelningschef på Socialstyrelsen.
Under våren sjönk dödligheten bland dem som vårdades på iva på grund av covid-19 successivt. Från knappt 25 procent i mars, till strax under 10 procent i september.
Senaste nytt om coronaviruset (SVT.se, April 27, 2021 - 6:26)
The pressure on hospitals determines how many people die of Covid-19 in intensive care
The more people in ICUs due to Covid-19, the less the chance of getting out alive.
Mortality among the patients who are cared for in an intensive care ward (ICU) due to Covid-19 seems to correspond to the pressure, which in turn is controlled by the spread of infection.
- If many people are admitted at the same time, mortality increases. So if you are going to get sick, you should do so when no one else gets sick, says Thomas Lindén, head of department at the National Board of Health and Welfare.
In spring (2020), mortality among those cared for in ICUs due to Covid-19 gradually decreased. From just under 25 percent in March, to just under 10 percent in September.
Latest news about the coronavirus
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Old 27th April 2021, 06:33 AM   #324
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The number of new registered cases on Tuesdays in Sweden (no numbers Saturday, Sunday, Monday) according to SVT.se:
Tuesday, Feb. 9: 8,112 - deaths 73
Tuesday, Feb. 16: 9,458 - deaths 59
Tuesday, Feb. 23: 10,933 - deaths 64
Tuesday, March 2: 11,804 - deaths 56
Tuesday, March 9: 11,014 - deaths 39
Tuesday, March 16: 12,762 - deaths 26
Tuesday, March 23: 14,063 - deaths 53
Tuesday, March 30: 16,437 - deaths 28
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Tuesday, April 6: 21,802 - deaths 35 NB. The numbers are since Thursday, April 1, not since Friday, April 2.
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Tuesday, April 13: 19,105 - deaths 39
Tuesday, April 20: 16,692 - deaths 37
Tuesday, April 27: 14,911 - deaths 45

According to the latest weekly report from the Swedish Public Health Agency for week 15 (April 12 to 18, 2021), there were about 41,000 new cases, based on 330,000 tested people; 12 percent positives.
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Old 27th April 2021, 02:06 PM   #325
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Bodies piling up in their thousands in the UK!

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Many weeks earlier there were also signs that the prime minister was trying to find a way out of imposing a lockdown. In late September, he invited scientists with different views to give a presentation to him and Sunak.

They were Prof Sunetra Gupta and her Oxford University colleague Prof Carl Heneghan, both of whom have been sceptical of lockdowns, as well as Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s leading epidemiologist, whose country had not chosen to lock down. The other scientist present was Prof John Edmunds, who presented the view of Sage that a circuit breaker should be implemented.

Johnson sided with Sunak and the other three scientists, believing regional measures and weaker restrictions could contain the virus.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...p-england-open
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Old 27th April 2021, 04:11 PM   #326
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Edmunds was one of the most vocal proponents of herd immunity letting everyone get the virus a year ago.
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Old 27th April 2021, 04:27 PM   #327
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I suspect we are going to be hearng the herd immunity nonsense from the Indian Government any day now....
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Old 27th April 2021, 10:24 PM   #328
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Anders Tegnell's herd-immunity-by-infection ideas seem to have figured prominently in the debate in India at the beginning of the pandemic. He must be so proud of what India has accomplished!

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Anders Tegnell, who is leading the Swedish fight against this virus is clear that “the vaccine is so far off”.
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Sweden isolates its elderly and those with serious pre-conditions. It keeps primary schools open since this virus has virtually no effect on little children, and children are therefore the first to help society acquire herd immunity. Sweden also insists on reasonable social distancing but people are not required to wear masks, which allows the slow and sustained spread of the virus to less vulnerable groups.
Does this mean the Swedish model is perfect? No. Despite its best efforts, there will inevitably be a large number of deaths in the early stages of this approach. And it is almost certain that in the coming days Sweden will need to tighten its restrictions to prevent the overflow of ICUs.
But that’s manageable. Sweden is blessed to have one of the brightest officials in the world at its helm, Anders Tegnell. He has explained to the people of Sweden that there is no easy answer to this problem. They have understood that they have to take responsibility for themselves and their own families. The elderly have to be protected by each family. There is only so much that any government can do.
India has only one choice: Anders Tegnell’s (Swedish) approach (Times of India, April 11, 2020)

Swarna Bharat Party on YouTube, May 9, 2020:
Anders Tegnell REJECTS testing and contact tracing and advises countries like India to NOT lockdown
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I assume that the sentence, "The elderly have to be protected by each family," is a re-write for an Indian audience. In Sweden, weak and frail elderly people are usually in nursing homes, unlike in India where they are the burden of their families.
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Old 27th April 2021, 10:47 PM   #329
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Coronavirus - countries (Worldometers, April 27, 2021)
Deaths per million (Total deaths) New cases Serious/Critical
Sweden: 1,376 (13,968) 14,911* 390 *since Friday, according to SVT.se
Denmark: 427 (2,479) 624* 36 *of 164,744 tests (0.38%); Fully vacc. 586,729 (10.05% of pop.), 1st dose: 1,253,844 (21,48%).
Finland: 164 (908) 224 32
Norway: 135 (736) 524 40
Iceland: 85 (29) 18 4 - Latest border rules now in effect
Iceland has 175 active cases, Faroe Islands 1, New Zealand 27
The Faroe Islands have 3 in quarantine, 0 hospitalized - Covid budget hole much smaller than expected
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Old 27th April 2021, 11:19 PM   #330
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Edmunds was one of the most vocal proponents of herd immunity letting everyone get the virus a year ago.

Indeed! March: John Edmunds says we should stop Covid with herd immunity (DailyMail)

But at least, he seems to have come to his senses after the first wave, unlike so many others:
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In a March 2020 interview early in the UK COVID-19 epidemic, Edmunds said that the outbreak "could be very serious ... much more serious than we've had for many years". He has also emphasised both the difficulties in maintaining social distancing over extended time periods, and the key role of herd immunity, saying "The only way to stop this epidemic is indeed to achieve herd immunity". During the loosening of UK lockdown measures in early June 2020, Edmunds said he believed a delay in implementing measures in March "cost a lot of lives", but noted that the data available then was "really quite poor", making decisions difficult.
John Edwards (epidemiologist) (Wikipedia)
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Old 28th April 2021, 04:47 AM   #331
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Yes, a number of the "experts" I was yelling at the TV about in March last year changed their tune, at least in public, once they saw the inevitable effect of the policies they were advocating. (Some of them however have continued to let slip that they continue to be virus fatalists - we can't stop thie, everyone will be exposed, we have to live with it, and so on.)

I don't actually forgive them for this. If I and many others could see it at the time (and indeed those advising the governments that actually did take effective action against the virus), then the people paid to be prescient and understand in advance the consequences that will flow from their advice have a responsibility to look ahead. Not to advise a course of action that will predictably result in disaster and then say, oh, who knew?
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Old 28th April 2021, 05:01 AM   #332
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Top 5 Worldwide
Daily new confirmed COVID-19 cases per million people
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1. Cyprus 929.33
2. Urugay 854.13
3. Bahrain 620.51
4. Turkey 552.12
5. Sweden 515.23
MaskUpSweden on Twitter (April 28, 2021)
See world map from COVID-19 Data Explorer in the tweet.
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Old 28th April 2021, 05:30 AM   #333
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I suspect we are going to be hearng the herd immunity nonsense from the Indian Government any day now....
It sounded like an ok idea when we didn't know about the mortality rate, long-term effects, etc.
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No it didn't, because we already knew from China that the mortality rate was serious (in fact the initial Chinese data may have overstated the mortality rate a bit). Also, you don't let a completely new disease spread like wildfire just on the hope that it won't turn out to have serious long-term consequences.

The way to handle this type of incident is to go to the max immediately. If it then turns out that the max is not actually necessary you can relax restrictions fairly quickly with little harm - certainly little harm compared to the harm of erring in the opposite direction.

Imagine what would have happened if there had been an immediate global cessation of international passenger flights and indeed international travel, as soon as it was realised that this virus was serious. It could have been kept out of most countries in the world long enough for the true extent of spread to be assessed and the countries that already had it to be assisted to eliminate it, without anything like the long-term consequences we've seen.

I think as a species we need to live in the acceptance that such a travel ban might be instituted with no notice at all, and to have arrangements in place to deal with this situation for a few weeks. It's the insistence that we can't disrupt normal travel because it would be too inconvenient that leads to far more inconvenience further down the line.
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Hmm. Our region had one case on (I think) Sunday, a week after the previous one, and now two today. It's still grumbling there, but the numbers are still too low for them to be prepared to tell us where the cases are.
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Coronavirus - countries (Worldometers, April 27, 2021)
Deaths per million (Total deaths) New cases Serious/Critical
Sweden: 1,379 (14,000) 7,266* 390 *according to SVT.se
Denmark: 427 (2,481) 835* 32 *of 175,526 tests (0.48%); Fully vacc. 607,400 (10.41% of pop.), 1st dose: 1,280,156 (21,93%).
Finland: 164 (911) 244 33
Norway: 138 (753) 470 40
Iceland: 85 (29) 18 4
Iceland has 183 active cases, Faroe Islands 1, New Zealand 27
The Faroe Islands have 3 in quarantine, 0 hospitalized

The new registered cases in Denmark in the last 24 hours is actually 751. The number 835 is due to 84 older cases, unregistered until now.
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No it didn't, because we already knew from China that the mortality rate was serious (in fact the initial Chinese data may have overstated the mortality rate a bit). Also, you don't let a completely new disease spread like wildfire just on the hope that it won't turn out to have serious long-term consequences.

When many (asymptomatic) cases went under the radar, the mortality rate would have looked higher.

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The way to handle this type of incident is to go to the max immediately. If it then turns out that the max is not actually necessary you can relax restrictions fairly quickly with little harm - certainly little harm compared to the harm of erring in the opposite direction.

Imagine what would have happened if there had been an immediate global cessation of international passenger flights and indeed international travel, as soon as it was realised that this virus was serious. It could have been kept out of most countries in the world long enough for the true extent of spread to be assessed and the countries that already had it to be assisted to eliminate it, without anything like the long-term consequences we've seen.

In hindsight, nothing could be more stupid than the unwillingness to put a stop to ski tourism in Europe. The ski tourists as well has the travel agencies and the rest of us were then affected by (so far) a pandemic including 14 months of lockdowns or restrictions.

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I think as a species we need to live in the acceptance that such a travel ban might be instituted with no notice at all, and to have arrangements in place to deal with this situation for a few weeks. It's the insistence that we can't disrupt normal travel because it would be too inconvenient that leads to far more inconvenience further down the line.

But, but, but .... my freedom! My business!
It is so moronic that some anti-restrictionists actually seem to think that an unrestrained pandemic would have meant more freedom.
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Tidningen The Economist har listat de 15 regioner i Europa som har högst smittspridning just nu. Hela 13 av dem ligger i Sverige och plats 15 innehas av Halland.
13 av 15 regioner med högst smittspridning är svenska (GP, April 27, 2021)
The newspaper The Economist has listed the 15 regions in Europe with the highest spread of infection. 13 of them are in Sweden and #15 is Halland.
13 out of 15 regions with the highest spread of infection are Swedish

Tracking the coronavirus across Europe (Economist, April 19, 2021)
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"Han (Tegnell) visar en bild över flera länder i Europa, och konstaterar att Sverige ligger "ganska mitt i" vad gäller smittspridning."
MaskUpSweden on Twitter (April 29, 2021)
He (Tegnell) shows a picture of several countries in Europe, and states that Sweden is "right in the middle" in terms of the spread of infection.

ganska sometimes means very much and sometimes somewhat, but still ...
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(not) 'flattening the curve'

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Patienter som vårdas för covid-19 löper en dubbelt så hög risk att skadas jämfört med andra patienter, och att dö om trycket blir för stort.
– Det här visar att vi inte alls har lyckats platta till kurvan. Tvärtom har vi gått igenom taket flera gånger, säger Hans Rutberg, professor i patientsäkerhet.
”Sverige har inte lyckats platta till kurvan” (SvD, April 28, 2021)
Patients treated for covid-19 are twice as likely to be injured compared to other patients, and to die if the pressure becomes too great.
– This shows that we have not managed to flatten the curve at all. On the contrary, we have gone through the roof several times, says Hans Rutberg, professor of patient safety.
"Sweden has not succeeded in flattening the curve"

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Bland covidpatienterna var förekomsten av skador 18,4 procent, vilket var nästan en dubbelt så hög andel som för övriga patienter, där motsvarande andel "bara" var 9,7 procent.
– De drabbas främst av vårdrelaterade infektioner och trycksår, säger Hans Rutberg.
TT: Får de sämre vård än andra patienter?
– Framför allt handlar det om att de vårdas längre tid. Vårdtiden påverkar risken. Men det handlar också om bristande förebyggande arbete. Trycket har varit så hårt att man har varit tvungen att rekrytera personal utan tidigare erfarenhet av iva. Vi vet vad som krävs för att undvika dessa skador, det är inga ovanliga skador, men då måste man se till att alla som arbetar med patienterna också vet det, men den tiden har inte funnits.
I tisdags kunde TT berätta att trycket på iva-avdelningarna också påverkar risken för att överleva vården. Ju fler patienter som vårdas samtidigt, desto högre dödlighet.
"Sverige har inte lyckats platta till kurvan" (Aftonbladet, April 28, 20201)
Among Covid-19 patients, the incidence of injuries was 18.4 per cent, which was almost twice as high as for other patients where the corresponding proportion was "only" 9.7 per cent.
- They mainly suffer from healthcare-related infections and pressure ulcers, says Hans Rutberg.
TT: Do they get poorer care than other patients?
- Above all, it is about them being cared for for a longer period of time. The care period affects the risk. But it is also about a lack of preventive work. The pressure has been so strong that it has been necessary to recruit staff without prior experience of ICU. We know what it takes to avoid these injuries, there are no unusual injuries, but then you have to make sure that everybody working with the patients also knows about it, but there was no time for this.
On Tuesday, TT reported that the pressure on ICU wards also affects the risk of surviving intensive care. The more patients cared for at the same time, the higher the mortality rate.
"Sweden has not succeeded in flattening the curve"
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* Relatives and staff members say an elderly care home lied about what kind of help it offered residents during the pandemic.
* A Stockholm facility told relatives it ran under so-called cohort care, separating clients according to condition, a claim that staff denies.
* The operations manager at the center believes the information given to relatives was correct. But says in certain instances cohort care wasn't possible.
Staff: Facility lied about Covid-19 care for elderly (RadioSweden, April 28, 2021)
I don't know if this was a public facility of one of the many privatized ones.
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Coronavirus - countries (Worldometers, April 29, 2021)
Deaths per million (Total deaths) New cases Serious/Critical
Sweden: 1,379 (14,002) 7,158* 383 *according to SVT.se
Denmark: 427 (2,483) 769* 30 *of 167,410 tests (0.46%); Fully vacc. 631,260 (10.81% of pop.), 1st dose: 1,307,569 (22,40%).
Finland: 165 (913) 208 34
Norway: 138 (754) 385 40
Iceland: 85 (29) 10 4 - Xenophobic abuse over COVID infections
Iceland has 191 active cases, Faroe Islands 0, New Zealand 23
The Faroe Islands have 0 in quarantine, 0 hospitalized - We're Covid-free again, G! Festival back on the calendar

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Another small milestone in the COVID story occurred this morning when chief epidemiologist Þórólfur Guðnason received his first dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine. He will have the second injection three months from now. His presence at the Laugardalshöll mass vaccination centre was greeted by thunderous applause from other people his age also receiving the vaccine.
Round of applause for Þórólfur at vaccination centre (RUV.is, April 28, 2021)
They have every reason to love that guy. If only the other Nordic countries had listened to his warnings about ski tourists returning from Ischgl ...
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Ny studie: Var fjärde grundskollärare smittad av covid-19 (Skolvärlden.se, April 29, 2021)
New study: One in four primary school teachers infected with Covid-19
Imagine what would have happened if Swedish school children weren't immune to SARS-CoV-2!
(Yes, this is sarcasm.)
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Greta Thunberg retweets criticism of the Swedish pandemic strategy: Post 2313 in the thread: Greta Thunberg - brave campaigner or deeply disturbed? Part II.
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Another one of those Corona maps of Europe:
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Willem van Schaik on Twitter (April 9, 2021)
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Portugal looking good too. I don't really recognise that area division of Scotland - it's nothing we use when tracking the pandemic, and the way it's done my own region (which is close to real elimination) looks worse than some city areas where the virus is still circulating. But yes, it's salutory. Shame Britain is just about to invite the virus back in to have another bite.
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That Portugal is doing so fine must be due to their general pandemic strategy rather than vaccinations:
Hvilke lande vaccinerer? (TV2.dk)
Which countries vaccinate?

Portugal has administered approximately as many vaccinations as Sweden!
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They're doing well, then. If Sweden's strategy is herd immunity they should be going at the vaccination as fast as possible, because, hey, vaccinations are how you get herd immunity.
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Old 30th April 2021, 09:26 AM   #349
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What Sweden's strategy is depends. Sometimes they say they have one, recently they claim that they never did. Headlines from media in Sweden and abroad:

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Bild 2. Vad utländsk media tänker om svenska strategin
Bild 3. Vad WHO säger om strategin
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First picture: What the government thinks of its strategy
Second picture: What media abroad thinks of the Swedish strategy
Third picture: What WHO says about the strategy
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This is about an answer that Tegnell gave to a question from the Swedish newspaper Expressen at a press briefing three days ago. Scania (Skåne) has been doing far worse than Zealand (Själland) throughout the pandemic. A reporter at a Danish newspaper, Berlingske, picked up on this, but so far the Swedish media hasn't, not even Expressen:

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Critics are usually accused of harming image of Sweden, #Sverigebilden, by Tegnellists & Herd Immunity lovers. We have news for them, having the state epidemiologist flat out lie in TV saying Skåne has done better than Själland, is far more harmful than any critical citizen!
SaveSwedenCov19 on Twitter (April 30, 2021)

Anders Tegnell påstår, at Skåne har klaret sig meget bedre gennem pandemien end Sjælland – men det er helt forkert (Berlingske, April 29, 2021)
Anders Tegnell claims that Scania handled the pandemic much better than Zealand - but that is completely wrong
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No it didn't, because we already knew from China that the mortality rate was serious (in fact the initial Chinese data may have overstated the mortality rate a bit).
Back in February of last year? I don't think so.
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Yes. There were people who knew what was happening in January, and were tearing their hair out.
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Coronavirus - countries (Worldometers, April 30, 2021)
Deaths per million (Total deaths) New cases Serious/Critical
Sweden: 1,384 (14,048) 5,926* 390 *according to SVT.se
Denmark: 428 (2,485) 874* 35 *of 207,925 tests (0.42%); Fully vacc. 646,129 (11.07% of pop.), 1st dose: 1,330,183 (22,79%).
Finland: 165 (914) 195 31
Norway: 139 (756) 429 40
Iceland: 85 (29) 6 4
Iceland has 190 active cases, Faroe Islands 1, New Zealand 23
The Faroe Islands have 1 in quarantine, 0 hospitalized
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Mainly for the benefit of Swedes, I think, Finnish Virpi Flyg has made a Twitter thread with many photos about Suomi-style lockdowns:
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Thread.
Virpi Flyg on Twitter (May 1, 2021)

Fans of the Swedish strategy tend to portray lockdowns as everything shutting down and people being locked up in their homes month after month, which makes them use the word sustainable about the Swedish strategy.
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Yes. There were people who knew what was happening in January, and were tearing their hair out.
A unified world response would have required a well respected US president to lead it.
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An American president will never become a well-respected world leader, except in Hollywood sci-fi movies.

The Nordic countries should have followed the examples of Iceland, the Faroe Islands and Greenland. To some extent, I think they did, but they didn't have the testing capacity in the beginning. With the low level of infections in the summer, ZeroCovid would have been fairly easy to implement in the fall, in particular if the big EU countries had been behind a decision to do so, which they weren't.
ZeroCovid had almost been reached in the Nordics in July-August without even actually trying.

But Denmark, Finland, Iceland and Norway could have attempted to create a bubble on their own, like the New Zealand-Australian one, with goods being exchanged with the rest of the world but traveling severely restricted and quarantines in place for all travellers.

The idea of herd-immunity-by-infection caused an awful lot of damage.
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Pausing international travel globally for a few weeks is something that would take a fair effort in international leadership. The idea that the POTUS coud be such a leader is delusional though.
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Fully vaccinated Swedes can travel to Denmark again. Until now, it required a negative test, less than 24 hours old:
Vaccinerade kan resa till Danmark igen redan till helgen – eller? (Sydsvenska.se, April 30, 2021)
But it requires documentation that the second shot was given at least 14 days ago, and Sweden has no formalized 'vaccination passport' yet.
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May 1 protests in Stockholm against pandemic restrictions in Sweden are being stopped by the police:
Polisen löser upp coronademonstration i Stockholm – hundratals personer på plats (SVT.se, May 1, 2021)
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Fully vaccinated Swedes can travel to Denmark again. Until now, it required a negative test, less than 24 hours old:
Vaccinerade kan resa till Danmark igen redan till helgen – eller? (Sydsvenska.se, April 30, 2021)
But it requires documentation that the second shot was given at least 14 days ago, and Sweden has no formalized 'vaccination passport' yet.

Neither do we. I had my second vaccination exactly 14 days ago. I took my general NHS vaccination certificate with me to the appointment and asked the doctor if there was anywhere in it to enter the coronavirus vaccination course, but she said no, it isn't something we're required to enter on that certificate.

Obviously the NHS knows I've been done, and when and where and what the batch numbers were and so on, but I have zero means of proving it.

In other news, the new cases in my region have increased to the point where it's now possible to see where the cluster (probably) is, which is Melrose, about 40 miles away. However that's only showing three of the seven cases in w/e 28th April, so there are another four cases somewhere, fewer than three to a neighbourhood, hopefully they'll all be related to the same cluster in or near Melrose. No new cases reported today either.

The cluster in Sanquhar is simmering merrily along, with something like 28 cases in the same week, but there are only 31 cases in that entire region and none of the other neighbourhoods are showing up more than two cases so they genuinely seem to have the lid on it. There has been a concerted public health effort to contain it.

I think it's genuinely safe for me to go out now. I'm fully vaccinated, our region is close to elimination and the small cluster is a long way away. Our adjacent regions are also close to elimination - surprisingly Midlothian, where I've been sneaking to for riding evenings, is now showing up completely clear for the most recent 7-day period reported, which is also encouraging.

I'm about five days away from running out of cat food, having started with a huge stack of boxes in the garage loft last September or October. I'm also out of nice cheese, pate, frozen peas, burgers and Pepsi. The village newsagent (safe, one customer at a time and the door will be permanently open in this nice weather) has small boxes of cat food if I wanted to delay another few days, or I could raid the big pet-food store and haul another stack of boxes back for another two or three months, but I really should just bite the bullet and come out of isolation. The supermarkets are in Midlothian, the clear region, anyway.
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