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Old 28th May 2021, 11:36 AM   #161
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
If anyone still cares about the continued attack on the very concept of American democracy, Republicans have blocked the creation of a Commission to investigate the riots on January 6th.

They needed 10 Republicans to join the Democrats to get the necessary number, only 6 Republicans voted for it.
They not only blocked the commission, they blocked even talking about it!
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Old 28th May 2021, 11:42 AM   #162
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
They not only blocked the commission, they blocked even talking about it!
And they can do this when they don't have a simple majority in the Senate.

This is why I never believe Democrats when they are all "Oh you see we can't do anything because we don't have the Presidency, a majority in the Supreme Court, supermajorities in both Houses of Congress, all the Infinity Stones, control over all 7 Kingdoms of Westeros, the Heads of all Five Families, and both the East and West Coast Rappers."

The Republicans are lot better are doing **** when they are in the minority in government.
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Old 28th May 2021, 11:44 AM   #163
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
The Republicans are lot better are doing **** when they are in the minority in government.
Correction: they are much better at preventing the government from doing ****.
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Old 28th May 2021, 11:45 AM   #164
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Correction: they are much better at preventing the government from doing ****.
Fair point. I guess they really wouldn't be accomplishing much if they had any goal or motivation beyond obstructionism.
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Old 28th May 2021, 11:48 AM   #165
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I guess they really wouldn't be accomplishing much if they had any goal or motivation beyond obstructionism.
it's all Obama's fault. Why did he have to be black?
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Old 28th May 2021, 11:50 AM   #166
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
it's all Obama's fault. Why did he have to be black?
He was really inconsiderate in not taking into account how much his blackness was going to break the Right.
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Old 28th May 2021, 03:40 PM   #167
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We've hit the 500 mark. The latest bunch of morons are

Kene Brian Lazo
https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...FtUJGuiqwNAzrU

Anthony Puma
https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...OGMKRcWfqn49Wu

Nicholas Brockhoff
https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...J4lNRcq55o-_ko

Kenneth Joseph Owen Thomas
https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...Sjj70K9xCocO0z

Adam Weibling
https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...MeAnjeXiaeVrcw
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Old 29th May 2021, 02:33 AM   #168
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AIUI, the Democrats can begin a partisan investigation, should they so choose.

Well, you can say one thing, anyway - this period of time will definitely be written about in the history books.
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Old 29th May 2021, 02:51 AM   #169
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What worries me mostly right now is what happens when Trump dies. Fortunately for the County (in the long term), that is likely to be soon

His heart disease and lifestyle will likely kill him before 2024 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...article/484969. However, we need to be ready for his cult when they come to Washington for the funeral. I expect a repeat of 1/6 unless there is overwhelming deterrence in the form of law enforcement prepared to offer a lethal response and National Guard deployed as if for war.
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Old 29th May 2021, 03:08 AM   #170
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Here's an article from before the vote, outlining other ways for an investigation to happen, and what the pluses and minuses are.

I tend to think that something like a special prosecutor would be a better option than a bipartisan commission, anyway, since it affords less opportunity for obstruction.
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Old 29th May 2021, 03:10 AM   #171
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
We've hit the 500 mark.
They should get a gold gavel to celebrate this achievement.
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Old 29th May 2021, 04:28 AM   #172
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
What worries me mostly right now is what happens when Trump dies. Fortunately for the County (in the long term), that is likely to be soon

His heart disease and lifestyle will likely kill him before 2024 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...article/484969. However, we need to be ready for his cult when they come to Washington for the funeral. I expect a repeat of 1/6 unless there is overwhelming deterrence in the form of law enforcement prepared to offer a lethal response and National Guard deployed as if for war.
Deep State will have killed him of course.
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Old 29th May 2021, 04:36 AM   #173
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Here's an article from before the vote, outlining other ways for an investigation to happen, and what the pluses and minuses are.

I tend to think that something like a special prosecutor would be a better option than a bipartisan commission, anyway, since it affords less opportunity for obstruction.

Yup. It has

The power of subpoena
The power to depose
The power of indictment
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Old 29th May 2021, 04:52 AM   #174
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Yup. It has

The power of subpoena
The power to depose
The power of indictment
Ah, but does it have the power of love?
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Old 29th May 2021, 05:06 AM   #175
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Yup. It has

The power of subpoena
The power to depose
The power of indictment
Although, as the article points out, it doesn't do much for making the DoJ less political.
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Although, as the article points out, it doesn't do much for making the DoJ less political.
This is the thing... The 500 people so far charged, are charged with criminal offences. If any politicians were involved in instigating the insurrection (and we at least know that Trump and Paul Gosar were, and that MTG, Boebert and Hawley are suspects) then they committed criminal offence.

An investigation of the January 6 insurrection should not be a political one, it should be a criminal one.
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Old 29th May 2021, 06:34 AM   #177
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This is the thing... The 500 people so far charged, are charged with criminal offences. If any politicians were involved in instigating the insurrection (and we at least know that Trump and Paul Gosar were, and that MTG, Boebert and Hawley are suspects) then they committed criminal offence.

An investigation of the January 6 insurrection should not be a political one, it should be a criminal one.
I'll just quote the article:

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Let’s start with the DOJ and presidential commission options. A special prosecutor or similar option based in the DOJ would have strong subpoena powers, which is critical given the number of witnesses who might not want to cooperate. But the DOJ’s job is to prosecute people, not engage in broader inquiries into complex questions of this sort. As one example here, it is not clear how a DOJ-based inquiry would have a basis to explore how social media companies created fertile ground for insurrectionists to organize and indulge in disinformation. An added problem is that the DOJ is already prosecuting scores of individuals for their role in January 6. A DOJ-based task force or special prosecutor is the alternative that’s most likely to be duplicative with that ongoing effort. Plus, Attorney General Merrick Garland is trying to depoliticize the DOJ. For all its nonpartisan and bipartisan merit, creating a special body that would include looking at the former president’s role in the insurrection would be difficult to shield from accusations of politics.
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Deep State will have killed him of course.
And he secretly won't actually be dead. Most of his supporters are capable of believing both at the same time.

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The FBI now have 2,000 phones & electronic devices seized as part of their investigation.
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What worries me mostly right now is what happens when Trump dies. Fortunately for the County (in the long term), that is likely to be soon

His heart disease and lifestyle will likely kill him before 2024 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...article/484969. However, we need to be ready for his cult when they come to Washington for the funeral. I expect a repeat of 1/6 unless there is overwhelming deterrence in the form of law enforcement prepared to offer a lethal response and National Guard deployed as if for war.
My question is--how long has it been the case that his heart disease and lifestyle would likely kill him before some arbitrary date? Some people can ride that for surprisingly long.
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And he secretly won't actually be dead. Most of his supporters are capable of believing both at the same time.

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The repluglicans' little stunt confirms what everybody strongly suspected: they and the Duce were eyeball-deep in this shabby assault on Congress.

Did they call this Operation Stopgap? They should have.
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My question is--how long has it been the case that his heart disease and lifestyle would likely kill him before some arbitrary date? Some people can ride that for surprisingly long.
Also of note - "probably" statistics generally don't take into account factors like whether the person can fairly easily get world-class health care.
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Ah, but does it have the power of love?
You’re just parroting the talking points of the Fake [Huey Lewis and the] News!
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You’re just parroting the talking points of the Fake [Huey Lewis and the] News!
Yep. That's me.
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Amazing that Republicans spent two years investigating Benghazi, and now they won't investigate an actual insurrection.
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Amazing that Republicans spent two years investigating Benghazi, and now they won't investigate an actual insurrection.
Based on what I've seen on CNN and other news outlets, the January 6th incident was "mostly peaceful". Just like other cities that were burning in the background but because 51% of the people were protesting instead of burning the city down, it was called a mostly peaceful protest.

BTW, why do these left politicians want to defund the police but not when it comes to their own security. Hypocrite much?
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If you disagree with the "mostly peaceful" description of the summer incidents, why would you want to apply it to the capitol protests instead of having an investigation? Hypocrisy goes either way. A person is more credible keeping their own position consistent rather than finding hypocrites and deciding to be like them.
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Amazing that Republicans spent two years investigating Benghazi, and now they won't investigate an actual insurrection.
they are happy to criminally ban protests by non-whites without any investigation.
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Based on what I've seen on CNN and other news outlets, the January 6th incident was "mostly peaceful". Just like other cities that were burning in the background but because 51% of the people were protesting instead of burning the city down, it was called a mostly peaceful protest.

BTW, why do these left politicians want to defund the police but not when it comes to their own security. Hypocrite much?
Why do right wing politicians claim to support the police but won't investigate an event where they were attacked, crushed, beaten with flag poles, hit with fire extinguishers, sprayed with pepper spray and threatened with being murdered? Hypocrites much?
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Based on what I've seen on CNN and other news outlets, the January 6th incident was "mostly peaceful".
This reminds me of a physicist recently explaining how & why Flat Earth wackos go wrong: by depending on their five senses/experience alone. See minute 08:50.
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Just like other cities that were burning in the background but because 51% of the people were protesting instead of burning the city down, it was called a mostly peaceful protest.
As she goes on to say, [know-nothing] "philosophy forbids them from accepting scientific fact." (English corrected) Take care when venturing out using your own noggin alone! Big world out there.
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BTW, why do these left politicians want to defund the police but not when it comes to their own security. Hypocrite much?
Are you referring to the fact that most who have expressed support for "defunding" have advocated for a shift of funding from law enforcement to other, more appropriate social services -- such as first responders for cases of mental illness, in cases where the mission or training of the police makes them a less optimal option, often a deadly one? So you do feel that the attackers on Jan 6 were indeed wackos, requiring this same shift of focus. Agreed!! Only when they are armed, they must be first disarmed, arrested and processed first, and get treatment when and how the sentencing judge mandates, so a combination of law enforcement and other services would be needed.
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Based on what I've seen on CNN and other news outlets, the January 6th incident was "mostly peaceful". Just like other cities that were burning in the background but because 51% of the people were protesting instead of burning the city down, it was called a mostly peaceful protest.
I would not call hitting cops with lead pipes and fire-extinguishers, spraying them with bear spray, tazering them and stabbing them "peaceful"

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BTW, why do these left politicians want to de-fund the police but not when it comes to their own security. Hypocrite much?
It would be really good if you took the time to do some research and find out what "de-fund the police" really means?

Here, let me help you with this

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgo...it-have-merit/

Be careful reading this though - it is a link to an educational website that deals in facts, so there is a real danger that you might actually learn something.
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Amazing that Republicans spent two years investigating Benghazi, and now they won't investigate an actual insurrection.
Because turkeys are more likely to vote for thanksgiving/Christmas than criminals are to vote for criminal investigations.
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BTW, why do these left politicians want to defund the police but not when it comes to their own security. Hypocrite much?
How many politicians can you cite that hold both those views?

And, BTW, if you cite any can you tell me their full opinion on defunding the police such as what they intend to replace them with.

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Another superseding indictment out now for the Oathkeeper militia members involved in the attack.

There are now 16 individuals facing a variety of charges, including conspiracy for all 16. One name is redacted.

https://twitter.com/FrankFigliuzzi1/...36037587226627
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Originally Posted by Joecool View Post
Based on what I've seen on CNN and other news outlets, the January 6th incident was "mostly peaceful". Just like other cities that were burning in the background but because 51% of the people were protesting instead of burning the city down, it was called a mostly peaceful protest.

BTW, why do these left politicians want to defund the police but not when it comes to their own security. Hypocrite much?
Why yes, the right wing are incredible hypocrites!

As usual, it's only wrong when the left/liberals/porgs do it.
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Another superseding indictment out now for the Oathkeeper militia members involved in the attack.

There are now 16 individuals facing a variety of charges, including conspiracy for all 16. One name is redacted.

https://twitter.com/FrankFigliuzzi1/...36037587226627
Holy crapola! That is a full on battle plan with the planning beginning in early November 2020.
35. At a GoToMeeting held on November 9, 2020, PERSON ONE told those attending the meeting, “We’re going to defend the president, the duly elected president, and we call on him to do what needs to be done to save our country. Because if you don’t guys, you’re going to be in a bloody, bloody civil war, and a bloody – you can call it an insurrection or you can call it a war or fight.” PERSON ONE called upon his followers to go to Washington, D.C., to let the President know “that the people are behind him.” PERSON ONE told his followers they needed to be prepared to fight Antifa, which he characterized as a group of individuals with whom “if the fight comes, let the fight come. Let Antifa – if they go kinetic on us, then we’ll go kinetic back on them. I’m willing to sacrifice myself for that. Let the fight start there. That will give President Trump what he needs, frankly. If things go kinetic, good. If they throw bombs at us and shoot us, great, because that brings the president his reason and rationale for dropping the Insurrection Act.”
These people came to DC with a definite plan in mind, using combat tactics that they trained for specifically in preparation for January 6
i. Moving together in a military “stack” formation while utilizing hand signals to maintain communication and coordination while advancing toward the Capitol as part of the January 6 operation;

j. Forcibly storming past exterior barricades, Capitol Police, and other law enforcement officers, and entering the Capitol in executing the January 6 operation;and

k. Using secure and encrypted communications applications like Signal and Zello to develop plans and later communicate during the January 6 operation.
They also had armed reserves to who stayed out of the Capitol ready to be called on if the the riot became a firefight.
PERSON ONE continued, “I do want some Oath Keepers to stay on the outside, and to stay fully armed and prepared to go in armed, if they have to . . . . So our posture’s gonna be that we’re posted outside of DC, um, awaiting the President’s orders. . . . We hope he will give us the orders. We want him to declare an insurrection, and to call us up as the militia.”
Well, out the door goes the Republican argument that this was not an insurrection. These people openly planned it as an insurrection, and and called it that themselves, in their own words. Furthermore, this is all documented in text messages and other communication apps on their own devices.

So much for the "peaceful tourists" bollocks.
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Since there were claims from the Right that deep-secret Antifa infiltrators were actually behind the peaceful visits, should not these claims be investigated and these perpetrators exposed? Who could vote against such an investigation?

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Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto View Post
Since there were claims from the Right that deep-secret Antifa infiltrators were actually behind the peaceful visits, should not these claims be investigated and these perpetrators exposed? Who could vote against such an investigation?

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The ones who don't actually want to have it proven that Antifa wasn't behind the riots, because they'll still need the boogeymen's assumed roles in the riots as vote-fodder in campaign speeches and tweets.
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Here is what is even more stunning.

The DoJ & FBI were accused by some of wasting time and not getting on with the job of dealing with these criminals, but look at the top of the first page!!

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA

Holding a Criminal Term

Grand Jury Sworn in on January 8, 2021

They had the Grand Jury selected, assembled and sworn in by the 2nd day after the insurrection!! They must almost have started the process while the insurrection was still in progress. If any time was wasted, it could only be a few hours at worst.
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