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Old 6th October 2021, 10:40 AM   #1
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Zodiac Killer Identified...again

Apparently a "team of cold case specialists" have figured out who the Zodiac Killer is...for real this time. No, seriously, for real. Link. It's Fox News. A few links:

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The Case Breakers is now saying it has identified the Zodiac Killer as Gary Francis Poste, who passed away in 2018. The team's years of digging uncovered new forensic evidence and photos from Poste's darkroom. One image features scars on the forehead of Poste that match scars on a sketch of the Zodiac, the team said.

Other clues include deciphering letters sent by the Zodiac that revealed him as the killer, said Jen Bucholtz, a former Army counterintelligence agent who works on cold cases. In one note, the letters of Poste's full name were removed to reveal an alternate message, she told Fox News.
I'm extremely skeptical, as always, but this seems to have a bit more legs than the other accusations. There's never going to be a solid way to connect anyone to the killings. The killer is almost assuredly dead at this point, and without any DNA to link it too, the best we can get is guesses.
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Old 6th October 2021, 01:03 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
Apparently a "team of cold case specialists" have figured out who the Zodiac Killer is...for real this time. No, seriously, for real. Link. It's Fox News. A few links:



I'm extremely skeptical, as always, but this seems to have a bit more legs than the other accusations. There's never going to be a solid way to connect anyone to the killings. The killer is almost assuredly dead at this point, and without any DNA to link it too, the best we can get is guesses.
Yeah. Zodiac is second only to Jack The Ripper when it comes to the category of "Murderers who were never caught or identified".
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Maybe the real Zodiac was the friends we made along the way.
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Apparently Gary ran a posse of young, fatherless boys who he took under his wing. The article, or maybe a different once I read, said that many of them hold loyalty to him still.

It's definitely an interesting read. I wonder if the FBI will do anything with it.
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Snore...it was DB Cooper...now let me get back to sleep.
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Old 7th October 2021, 08:14 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
Apparently a "team of cold case specialists" have figured out who the Zodiac Killer is...for real this time. No, seriously, for real. Link. It's Fox News. A few links:



I'm extremely skeptical, as always, but this seems to have a bit more legs than the other accusations. There's never going to be a solid way to connect anyone to the killings. The killer is almost assuredly dead at this point, and without any DNA to link it too, the best we can get is guesses.
I have followed the case quite a bit. I stared a thread when the last code was broken, but it didn't get much traction.

I would like to see how they have broken the code. They say it involves anagrams. The first rule of code breaking is that it is never anagrams. Color me skeptical.
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Old 7th October 2021, 09:13 PM   #7
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I have followed the case quite a bit. I stared a thread when the last code was broken, but it didn't get much traction.

I would like to see how they have broken the code. They say it involves anagrams. The first rule of code breaking is that it is never anagrams. Color me skeptical.
Understandable.

But, it should be noted that the talk of "Anagrams" comes from someone described as a "former counterintelligence agent"... it is possible that he is simply miss-using the term "anagram" to mean "zodiac's code".
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Old 7th October 2021, 09:19 PM   #8
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A response by the authorities...

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Officials in California have said the man identified by private investigators as the so-called Zodiac Killer is not currently a suspect in the case....law enforcement agencies have batted down their claims. Local police in San Francisco and Riverside also dismissed the group's "circumstantial evidence".

For better or worse... other than labeling the evidence "circumstantial" they didn't really give any particular reason the suspect should be rejected (like "he has an alibi for one of the killings", or something like that.)

Not that I necessarily believe that this group "found the killer".
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A response by the authorities...

From: BBC
Officials in California have said the man identified by private investigators as the so-called Zodiac Killer is not currently a suspect in the case....law enforcement agencies have batted down their claims. Local police in San Francisco and Riverside also dismissed the group's "circumstantial evidence".

For better or worse... other than labeling the evidence "circumstantial" they didn't really give any particular reason the suspect should be rejected (like "he has an alibi for one of the killings", or something like that.)

Not that I necessarily believe that this group "found the killer".
....cops and prosecutors make cases with circumstantial evidence.
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Understandable.

But, it should be noted that the talk of "Anagrams" comes from someone described as a "former counterintelligence agent"... it is possible that he is simply miss-using the term "anagram" to mean "zodiac's code".
If someone cracked the code, they know exactly what an anagram is. If they don't know what an anagram is, they did not crack the code.

It is possible that the news media got it wrong. They get things wrong all the time. I have been tracking the Gabby Petito case and there have been so many things reported wrong even by major news agencies.

But I don't see how media could interject anagrams. It also is not impossible.

The problem with anagrams with popular cryptography is that people get an idea of how to solve an code. It doesn't work out. Then they apply anagrams.

People don't realize how easy it is to turn nonsense into something meaningful using anagrams. Any rubbish can become something. That results in many people thinking they have solved a code when they are really just turning junk into something using anagrams.

There have been codes that use anagrams. But it is quite evident that they do so. The types of cryptograms used by Zodiac, that would be every unlikely. Not impossible.

Anagrams are a very bad way to transmit or store secret messages. It requires a bunch of "figuring it out" and ambiguity when you want a clean method of decipherment.

In this case, anagrams are actually possible because this isn't a code for communication, but rather a puzzle for the police. But considering the pervious code, anagrams are extremely unlikely.

They have not presented the message. Or the means of decipherment. Other than mentioning anagrams. The means would be far more significant. When the last code was broken they had a series of videos over many months closing in on the solution.

A sudden solution with no explanation that involves anagrams is just so so so common in the world of unknown cryptograms. It is the red flag of falsity.
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But, it should be noted that the talk of "Anagrams" comes from someone described as a "former counterintelligence agent"... it is possible that he is simply miss-using the term "anagram" to mean "zodiac's code".
If someone cracked the code, they know exactly what an anagram is. If they don't know what an anagram is, they did not crack the code.
My point was...identifying who they think Zodiac was was a group effort...Some were code breakers, some dealt with data analysis, others might have been specialists in investigation. The guy who brought up "anagrams" might not have been the one who personally did the code breaking, but he might have had other jobs on the team. So he might have incorrectly used the word 'anagrams' because he didn't understand exactly what the actual code-breakers did.

Or, its possible that they actually did use "anagrams" to "solve" the problem and as a result their findings are complete bunk.
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But I don't see how media could interject anagrams. It also is not impossible.
Again, I wasn't thinking it was the media who were thinking "anagrams", I was thinking it might have been one of the team members who was describing the work of codebreakers, despite not being an expert in their work.
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My point was...identifying who they think Zodiac was was a group effort...Some were code breakers, some dealt with data analysis, others might have been specialists in investigation. The guy who brought up "anagrams" might not have been the one who personally did the code breaking, but he might have had other jobs on the team. So he might have incorrectly used the word 'anagrams' because he didn't understand exactly what the actual code-breakers did.

Or, its possible that they actually did use "anagrams" to "solve" the problem and as a result their findings are complete bunk.

Again, I wasn't thinking it was the media who were thinking "anagrams", I was thinking it might have been one of the team members who was describing the work of codebreakers, despite not being an expert in their work.
To go that far in to speculation I think we would need some evidence that was the case. I have not had a chance to get into this, but that seems like a rather long stretch without having some substance behind it.
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I thought the last message solved was based on them determining that people overlooked a possible spelling error in the initial understanding of the code, which would skew everything? I'd have to watch it all again.
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I thought the last message solved was based on them determining that people overlooked a possible spelling error in the initial understanding of the code, which would skew everything? I'd have to watch it all again.
That was involved, but that was not the basis. The basis was an analysis of the previous code and what might be a more complex code. It was a rather clever analysis of patterns that suggested a knights-move shift. The guy did a lecture explaining how cryptograms can work that included exactly that, among other things. And he even showed an analysis that showed that the cipher had those exact characteristics.

I was following all that. In hindsight it seems so obvious. He had it nailed. But in real time there were many possibilities. He made some computer programs to go through those probabilities. What he had expected was one of those. And those turned up results.

It was not a complete solution, but enough to know that it was certainly something. He then figured out that on one of the lines the character on the right had been moved to the left and the other characters shifted accordingly. With that, the message became clear.

There were some other spelling errors, consistent with the previous code, and some symbol translation errors that would be consistent with the symbols used.
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....cops and prosecutors make cases with circumstantial evidence.
True. But there was also circumstantial evidence against others (most notably Arthur Leigh Allen). Building a case on circumstantial evidence is certainly possible, but you would hope that it is more convincing than the evidence against other potential suspects.
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So they didn't report that Ted Cruz was funding this "investigation"?
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So they didn't report that Ted Cruz was funding this "investigation"?
He has a PAC for that.
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