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Old 15th March 2019, 05:27 AM   #41
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Although the Flat Earth is getting a lot of action these days, the poor Hollow Earth goes begging.
I always thought that was much more interesting, what with a miniature Sun floating around inside the planet and all manner of interesting folks and civilizations....
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Old 15th March 2019, 07:07 AM   #42
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They can't argue against this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_laser_gyroscope
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Old 15th March 2019, 08:25 AM   #43
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"Interesting"- too funny
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Old 15th March 2019, 10:36 AM   #44
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Oh ... but they can!
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Originally Posted by Capsid View Post
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Oh ... but they can!

And they do. I recently watched Behind the Curve, on Netflix currently. A FE believer bought a ring laser gyro, at a cost of $20k, to see if they could detect the 15 degrees per hour precession (I might have the term wrong here) of the earth's rotation. And, sure enough, they saw the 15 degrees per hour. They were dismayed for a while but it wasn't long before they explained away the results, saying that what they were detecting was the rotation of the sky/firmament and not that of the earth.

I'm much more interested in why people believe woo than the beliefs themselves. But speculating on posters' motives is discouraged here, for reasons I both understand and support. I recommend the film for anyone interested in the social and personal side of the FE world.

ETA: the bit about the LRG test is near the end of the film
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Trouble is thousands of planes are fitted with them. Are all FEs scared of flying?


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Old 15th March 2019, 11:47 AM   #47
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Originally Posted by Red Baron Farms View Post
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I was wrong. There literally are rational people that really do believe the Earth flat. And what happens here is a Flat Earther sets up an experiment to prove it!

The result should be no shock, but the reaction is priceless.

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Ah, "My experiment has proved that the earth is round . . . therefore my experiment is wrong and should be disregarded." Priceless indeed.
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Old 15th March 2019, 11:49 AM   #48
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Originally Posted by Bikewer View Post
Although the Flat Earth is getting a lot of action these days, the poor Hollow Earth goes begging.
I always thought that was much more interesting, what with a miniature Sun floating around inside the planet and all manner of interesting folks and civilizations....
Yeah, dude! Pellucidar, I dig it. I was surprised not long ago to discover that the forged "Secret Diary of Richard E. Byrd" about his flight into the hollow Earth is still available. Truth lives long, but lies apparently are immortal.
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Irving has slipped and hit his head on the hard wood basketball court once too often.
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Originally Posted by Spektator View Post
Yeah, dude! Pellucidar, I dig it. I was surprised not long ago to discover that the forged "Secret Diary of Richard E. Byrd" about his flight into the hollow Earth is still available. Truth lives long, but lies apparently are immortal.


Agreed, Burroughs Pellucidar novels are a lot of fun.
They did a movie back in the 70's that suffered from too small a budget and the limitations of SFX at the time, but would love to see a movie with a decent budget and state of the art effects.
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Ah, "My experiment has proved that the earth is round . . . therefore my experiment is wrong and should be disregarded." Priceless indeed.
You think? I saw the same clip and came away with the exact opposite impression.

It looks to me like a broken man finally understanding he was wrong.

But of course his whole YouTube career depends on Patreon donations. So yes, after a delay where he made no flat Earth uploads at all, he started uploading again.

Very much like other scammers Randy debunked. But this one more funny because he debunked himself and we got to see the moment when he went from true believer, to hypocritical scam artist in it only for the money.
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It's a good, simple epistemological exercise.

I have an inactive account at the Flat Earth Society website and a good 95% of the posters have to be trolls and saboteurs, and the remaining 5% mentally ill or so incredibly radically conspiracist that they actually believe the flat earth truth is being intentionally hidden from them.

It gets tiresome after a few minutes.
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Old 15th March 2019, 06:48 PM   #53
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Originally Posted by Red Baron Farms View Post
You think? I saw the same clip and came away with the exact opposite impression.

It looks to me like a broken man finally understanding he was wrong.

But of course his whole YouTube career depends on Patreon donations. So yes, after a delay where he made no flat Earth uploads at all, he started uploading again.

Very much like other scammers Randy debunked. But this one more funny because he debunked himself and we got to see the moment when he went from true believer, to hypocritical scam artist in it only for the money.
Well, Campanella claims that some force, maybe refraction, caused the "false positive." Doesn't seem broken to me . . . Crooked, maybe . Randi spells his name with an i, by the way.
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Randi spells his name with an i, by the way.
That's what they want you to believe.
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Old 19th March 2019, 10:40 PM   #55
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Mostly as a debate and rational thought experiment. Actual real flat Earthers don't really exist. The reason is this: In order to be educated enough to even argue the flat earther case, one generally is educated enough to know it isn't true.
It is obvious to me people are alternate reality gaming.

They know perfectly well the earth is round. It's pretty easy to pretend you don't though, and certain personality types love trolling other people this way.

It actually does require organizing a complete line of ******** about the outer rim of the earth being this 200 foot high sheet of ice and the movements of the sun and moon are this guy holding a flashlight, etc.

I have seen a number of them use it to really get under the skin of people, just like Bigfooters do. Look how brainwashed you are, believing in NASA and all...
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It is obvious to me people are alternate reality gaming.

They know perfectly well the earth is round. It's pretty easy to pretend you don't though, and certain personality types love trolling other people this way.

It actually does require organizing a complete line of ******** about the outer rim of the earth being this 200 foot high sheet of ice and the movements of the sun and moon are this guy holding a flashlight, etc.

I have seen a number of them use it to really get under the skin of people, just like Bigfooters do. Look how brainwashed you are, believing in NASA and all...
There are massive numbers of true believers in both of these fantasies.
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It's a good, simple epistemological exercise.

I have an inactive account at the Flat Earth Society website and a good 95% of the posters have to be trolls and saboteurs, and the remaining 5% mentally ill or so incredibly radically conspiracist that they actually believe the flat earth truth is being intentionally hidden from them.

It gets tiresome after a few minutes.
What started out as a lame, tiresome joke quickly became a sincere conspiracy theory.
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I will use this thread simply because I see no reason to add extra flat Earther vids on the science forum.

The interesting thing here is it proves me wrong in my hypothesis too.

I was wrong. There literally are rational people that really do believe the Earth flat. And what happens here is a Flat Earther sets up an experiment to prove it!

The result should be no shock, but the reaction is priceless.

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They did this back in the 19th century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_Level_experiment
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It is obvious to me people are alternate reality gaming.

They know perfectly well the earth is round. It's pretty easy to pretend you don't though, and certain personality types love trolling other people this way.
FEARGers

The fact that they haven't walked to the edge of the earth, tells me that they don't believe their stories.
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FEARGers

The fact that they haven't walked to the edge of the earth, tells me that they don't believe their stories.
So most people who believe in the paranormal, don't actually believe in the paranormal?
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FEARGers

The fact that they haven't walked to the edge of the earth, tells me that they don't believe their stories.
They will tell you no one is allowed to the edge, there is an 'ice wall' and it is guarded.
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They will tell you no one is allowed to the edge, there is an 'ice wall' and it is guarded.
And presumably the guards are invisible and omnipotent and vaporize violators, so there's no possible way this could be proven.
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It's not easy protecting a secret as diabolical and utterly pointless as this one.
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And presumably the guards are invisible and omnipotent and vaporize violators, so there's no possible way this could be proven.
Ninja penguins and Seal Team 6 of course.

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Although the Flat Earth is getting a lot of action these days, the poor Hollow Earth goes begging.
I always thought that was much more interesting, what with a miniature Sun floating around inside the planet and all manner of interesting folks and civilizations....
Agreed. Flat earth is just ignorant nonsense. At least Hollow Earth has some air of mystery to it, dating to the tail end of the age of exploration.
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‘Flat Earthers’ planning bizarre Antarctica trip to prove conspiracy theory

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Conspiracy theorists are heading to the “end of the world” in a bizarre bid to prove the Earth isn’t a sphere.

The “Flat Earthers” plan is to sail to Antarctica to find the frozen barrier they believe marks the edge of our world.

The supposed “ice wall” is said to be a couple thousand feet thick, towers 164 feet high and surrounds the entire planet.

Next year’s trip — details of which are being kept under wraps — is being organized by the Flat Earth International Conference (FEIC).

Even YouTube star Logan Paul wants to join the expedition so he can “find the facts” behind the bonkers theories.

FEIC founder Robbie Davidson told Forbes: “If you take a globe and you squish it down, the Antarctic would go all the way around the Earth.

“It’s kind of like an ice shore and it’s very, very large. It’s not like you just go there and you can just peek over it.

“We don’t believe anything can fall off the edge, because a big portion of the flat earth community believes that we’re in a dome, like a snow globe.

“So the sun, moon and stars are all inside. It’s very high but all contained inside. So there’s no way to actually fall off of the earth.”
With this flat earth model in which Antarctica surrounds everything else, how long would the coastline of Antarctica be?

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There are massive numbers of true believers in both of these fantasies.
I trust you, but would still like you to verify this claim.
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The supposed “ice wall” is said to be a couple thousand feet thick, towers 164 feet high and surrounds the entire planet.
Considering some of the ice cliffs heading into the sea can reach 300' or more, 164' isn't much. They'll just end up taking a picture of themselves next to one and go "told you so".
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So most people who believe in the paranormal, don't actually believe in the paranormal?
Exactly all those religious people who claim to believe in god don't really, they are just trying to take the piss out of everyone else.
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I wonder if the amount of nonsensical beliefs we are hearing from NBA atheltes has anything to do with the whole "One and Done" routine..something I truly despise.
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What started out as a lame, tiresome joke quickly became a sincere conspiracy theory.
I think it's actually the opposite. The flat earth conspiracy had some sincere adherents up until the mid 20th century or so.

This resurgence in modern times in the social media age just has to be lame trolling.
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The best part of all this is that the world *is* flat, for the vast majority of people.

Think about this: When was the last time you were involved in an endeavor that depended on you knowing the Earth was round?
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Flat earth discussions (among people who don't believe it) usually come around to whether the flat-earthers sincerely hold those beliefs or if they are just trolling the rest of us.

Maybe it doesn't really matter though, whether their beliefs are sincere or just an elaborate troll? Either way, the effect is basically the same, isn't it?

There was a guy who built a home-made rocket to prove that the earth is flat. It went to an altitude of "about 1,875 feet". You could get higher in a hot air balloon or even just by hiking up a small hill.

I've definitely had the thought that "these people can't be serious, can they?" At the end of the day though, does it really matter to the rest of us if they really believe it or not?
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I think it's actually the opposite. The flat earth conspiracy had some sincere adherents up until the mid 20th century or so.

This resurgence in modern times in the social media age just has to be lame trolling.
There's the problem. Rational folk simply don't want to believe how incredibly easy it is to convince large numbers of people of practically anything, just by using social media. If I had to describe this phenomenon, I'd say it was a social experiment, conducted by a small group of people with a lot of time on their hands, to see if they could use youtube to convince large numbers of something that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, say... that the Earth is flat, but the illuminati has been keeping it a secret... for some reason. As it turns out, they could.
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There was a guy who built a home-made rocket to prove that the earth is flat. It went to an altitude of "about 1,875 feet". You could get higher in a hot air balloon or even just by hiking up a small hill.
Well, at least he tried. I'm just gonna go ahead and assume this half-wit wasn't trolling.
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The best part of all this is that the world *is* flat, for the vast majority of people.

Think about this: When was the last time you were involved in an endeavor that depended on you knowing the Earth was round?
I live by the sea, so every day. Also if you have the slightest interest in what happens around the world ... Or if you ever watch a sunset or a starry sky.

The most important point, however, is that on an everyday basis, people have no reason to think that the Earth is NOT round.

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Think about this: When was the last time you were involved in an endeavor that depended on you knowing the Earth was round?
Every time I fly or go to sea.
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Old 22nd March 2019, 05:36 AM   #78
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Every time I fly or go to sea.
I bet not.
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When you fly you don't have to know the earth is round, just as you don't need to know how to fly the plane, but somebody does.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I bet not.
Navigation relies on the earth being a globe and has done for centuries.
Every time a ship or aircraft arrives at it's destination it confirms the earth being a globe.
Every time I use GPS it confirms the earth being a globe.

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