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26th May 2018, 10:32 AM | #1 |
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RFK Jr. suspects a second gunman killed his dad.
RFK Jr. is investigating his dad's murder, including meeting with Sirhan Sirhan, and he believes that RFK was killed by a second gunman. Others disagree.
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RFK Jr has a book to sell.
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26th May 2018, 11:08 AM | #3 |
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His book's not about the assassination.
https://www.amazon.com/American-Valu...40_&dpSrc=srch |
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Crazy person reveals his insanity yet again. Story at 11.
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26th May 2018, 02:21 PM | #6 |
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He is as entitled to his opinion as anyone else is, but being RFK's son doesn't grant him anymore credibility that anyone else.
He was 14 years old when his father was assassinated. I doubt his father sat him down and had a heart-to-heart about who he believed may have been behind his brother's assassination and his opinion must be based more on hearsay than direct knowledge. |
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He's been a loon since forever.
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https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...led-president/
In his new tell-all, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. confessed that his notorious political family believed the CIA killed late president John F. Kennedy, RadarOnline.com can exclusively reveal. In the candid memoir, American Values: Lessons I learned from My Family, RFK Jr. ripped the lid off of the family’s best kept secrets. He confessed it was his father, Robert F. Kennedy, who doubted the intentions of the government’s intelligence agency. ETA: RFK Jr also made this statement, familiar as a falsehood passed along by JFK CTists: “Jack’s own conversations drifted repeatedly to the subject of assassination, including on the morning of Nov. 22, when Jack and Jackie saw the black-bordered front page of the Dallas Morning News accusing Jack of treason,” Kennedy Jr. wrote." You can read the Warren Commission about the "Treason" Flyer and the ad on page 14 of the DMN: https://www.archives.gov/research/jf...-2.html#dallas Another reaction to the impending visit -- hostile to the President --came to a head shortly before his arrival. On November 21 there appeared on the streets of Dallas the anonymous handbill mentioned above. It was fashioned after the "wanted" circulars issued by law enforcement agencies. Beneath two photographs of President Kennedy, one full- face and one profile, appeared the caption, "Wanted for Treason," followed by a scurrilous bill of particulars that constituted a vilification of the President.71 And on the morning of the President's arrival, there appeared in the Morning News a full , black-bordered advertisement headed "Welcome Mr. Kennedy to Dallas," sponsored by the American Fact-finding Committee, which the sponsor later testified was an ad hoc committee "formed strictly for the purpose of having a name to put in the paper." The "welcome" consisted of a series of statements and questions critical of the Various CT hawkers over the years asserted the front page location of the ad. I believe RFK Jr. believes what he wants to believe. |
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According to an RFK aid, the morning after the assassination CIA Director John McCone was at their home, and RFK took him out in the backyard where he grabbed McCone by the jacket, and asked him if the CIA was behind it.
Keep in mind that he idolized his brother, and that the two had been running Operation Mongoose WITH the CIA. When you run an assassination program you start to see assassins everywhere. |
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Another good conspiracy theory that RFK Jr bought into was the "Bush Stole Ohio" CT that he published in Rolling Stone. It's classic CT nuttery; he starts out by mentioning this:
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RFK went looking for answers, which makes perfect sense and he can't be faulted for it.
Allegedly he was concerned that his gang-busting and going after labor corruption precipitated his brothers assassination. He never got answers to the questions he had, but I doubt RFK Jr. was a party to the proceedings. If he isn't concerned enough with the facts to know something as basic as the Dallas Morning news "Treason" flyer evidence from the WC I question his motives. |
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This is really interesting. I had no idea that there was a grassy knoll, a stockade fence, a drain cover, a triple underpass or a Dal-Tex building right there inside the Ambassador Hotel.... who knew?
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I confess I don't know as much about this as I probably should.
The linked article makes mention of an autopsy report that claims Kennedy was shot from behind, thus exculpating Sirhan. Is this legit? |
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The autopsy report is the official one. The question at issue regards Sirhan's and RFK's positions relative to each other. The claim is that Sirhan was in front of RFK, making it hard for Sirhan to shoot him in the back. The response is that RFK turned away from the gunman in front of him, as anyone would.
I dunno who's right. I just find it interesting that the victim's son, a lawyer himself with substantial resources, has doubts about the official account. |
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RFK Jr. might not be making the best case. But he's not the only person who suspects that multiple voting "irregularities," particularly involving the Diebold voting machines produced by a major Republican donor, cost the Democrats votes.
Here's Christopher Hitchens: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2005/03/hitchens200503 Here's John Kerry: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...-the-whirlwind More: https://www.motherjones.com/media/20...counting-ohio/ https://columbusfreepress.com/articl...ohio-elections |
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The powder stains on the skin shows that the pistol had to have been fired inches from the entrance wound pointing upwards almost 90˚.
Sirhan were never closer than 2-3 feet from in front of RFK and was forced down over a table after firing the first two shots. RFK was hit with three shots from behind and upwards and a fourth hitting his jacket. Sirhan didn’t assassinate RFK. Ray didn’t assassinate MLK. Oswald didn’t assassinate JFK. They were all patsies, carefully crafted and put in place to take the blame for three assassinations that changed America and the world to a much more sinister place. Who was/are behind? Hmmm ... |
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You clearly don't know the difference between whining and mockery. I was mocking you your post, as well as telling the truth about it... NONE of what you have posted has been substantiated with evidence, it never is. It is always just unbridled speculation and bare assertion.
PS: having a go at someone's username is a violation of the MA. I won't report you this time, but next time..... |
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Citation needed: contradicts the article in the OP.
Citation needed. Bare assertions. You have been soundly trounced in the JFK thread: simply doubling down on the wrongness doesn't make it any less wrong. In fact, this is simply exponential wrongness. I know, right? Black rights, gay rights, women's rights, rights for the disabled, a massive increase in environmental awareness and associated action, fewer people living in poverty, and an increase in living standards pretty much worldwide. When will we ever awaken from this nightmare? Judging from your post, you already know. Why not tell us? The suspense is almost tangible. |
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Here is an interview with the coroner, Thomas Noguchi:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DHVrnB...TfkKNMy3Hds1yw 1-1.5 inch from behind. Sirhan was never closer than ca 2 feet from in front of RFK (with his pistol) according to the withesses who wrestled him down on a table. They were in between Sirhan and RFK at all time. |
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Wrong. There are NO evidence of any of the Kennedy brothers involved in any assassination plans on anybody, Castro included. On the contrary, when they found out that CIA and the mob worked together to assassinate Castro, they became outraged and ordered it to stop imediatly.
CIA made assurances that the operations were terminated, lying to the president and his brother since they were in full swing = treason. This is confirmed by CIA’s own internal investigations and testified to the Congress during the Church hearings in the mid 70ies. |
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The Kennedy Brothers were running a murder-incorporated in the Gulf of Mexico. Mongoose was indeed RFK's pet project. The HSCA, that body you love to quote, pulled all of the Mongoose Files (which are all online).
Ngo Dinh Diem was murdered on orders from JFK Gen. Rafael Trujillo, murdered on orders from JFK. The CIA supports the Ba'athists, including Saddam Hussein, in a coup in Iraq against the Qassim government with the blessing of JFK. JFK was just as dirty as every other President. |
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1. I'm about average height. My reach without a handgun is 50cm from chest to the heel of my closed fist.
2. The firearm Sirhan Sirhan used was an Iver Johnson .22 calibre Cadet 55-A. Its overall length from pistol grip heel to muzzle is 9.25 inches (23.5cm) 3. If I am holding the firearm with a nornal grip and a closed fist, the muzzle would be 73.5 (50+23.5cm) in front of me... that is 2ft 5in. If I am only two feet from a person, holding that handgun, even with two people between us, I can easily reach between them and shoot that person with a contact wound. |
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Were there explicit plans of assassinating Castro in these papers? Cite.
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But you continue the ’second cover up’, the one that is trying to obscure JFK’s presidency, because it explains why he was assassinated. Exactly what Nixon understood when ordering CIA’s Howard Hunt to fabricate messages from JFK to Saigon were he ”orders” the overthrow and assassination of the Diem brothers. This is in the HSCA archives, Hunt confessing what he did.
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Here's one of hundreds:
https://www.archives.gov/files/resea...d-32105759.pdf It details a meeting of the Special Activities Group where all kinds of subversive actives are discussed. RFK is clearly in the look to the point of making suggestions for future activities. Your ignorance on the Kennedys is impressive. Here's another where RFK is at the meeting discussing sabotage: https://www.archives.gov/files/resea...d-32105754.pdf
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More importantly the Pentagon Papers details JFK's direct involvement: https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB101/index.htm This information has been available for over 40 years, why are you trying to rewrite history.
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All classic conspiracy theorizing. CTs look for minor inconsistencies and proclaim them to be evidence of the conspiracy or evidence of the cover-up.
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Couldn't read the John Kerry article (too many New Yorker articles this month), but Kerry is obviously not a neutral observer in this matter. And Mother Jones? Please. The Columbus Free Press article is by Bob Fitrakis, who is the original source of most of these supposed anomalies. Fitrakis hasn't stopped; he thinks Hillary stole the New York primary election from Bernie Sanders in 2016:
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Quote the part were he plans to assassinate Castro.
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- Trujillo - The Diem brothers - Castro So far nothing in the form evidence. Do you have any?
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1. Orders the coup. 2. Orders the assassination of the Diem brothers. Funny thing, this is the first bolded sentence/headline in the article you are sourcing: DOCUMENTS SHOW NO THOUGHT OF DIEM ASSASSINATION Maybe you should read it again?
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Everybody knows Stephen King murdered John Lennon.
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CT handwaving, bare assertions, unbridled speculation, unevidenced theories, unsupported claims; it just hilarious to read.
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You can go read the documents yourself.
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