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View Poll Results: Which Trump supporters do you feel the least amount of sympathy for |
Those who rely on Obamacare | 47 | 48.96% | |
Those living near the border who may loose their homes due to the wall | 15 | 15.63% | |
Those concerned about internet privacy | 11 | 11.46% | |
Those with friends/relatives who were affected by immigration policies | 23 | 23.96% | |
Other | 38 | 39.58% | |
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 96. You may not vote on this poll |
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10th April 2018, 04:33 PM | #203 |
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Twain was great and he was right on. People dig their heels in when you suggest that they made a mistake. You can however sometimes lead them in such a way they come to the conclusion themselves. Sometimes.
Dale Carnegie in his famous book 'How to win friends and influence people' said the worst mistake you can make is to correct someone. He said it was sometimes necessary but there are ways to go about it. I think this is one of the most important lessons I have ever learned. It's a mistake I still make, but nowhere near as often as I once did. |
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10th April 2018, 05:47 PM | #204 |
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It may not be the most powerful, but it's right up there at the top. I've always found it fascinating how people can twist themselves inside out to avoid having to admit they might be wrong. Insecure people just can't do that. Defending an error past the point of all logic and evidence is more acceptable to them than admitting an error.
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10th April 2018, 07:39 PM | #205 |
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Now that I think about it, the obvious answer to the question in the poll is Trump himself.
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11th April 2018, 10:05 AM | #206 |
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Which the courts immediately and consistently slapped down. And executive orders are also constrained by the law, and are not binding on any other administration. The EOs essentially outline the manner in which the the current administration will go about the Executive branch duties assigned to it by Congress and the Constitution.
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I'd be willing to discuss the role of the Executive, and how a bad president can harm the country through mismanagement of his branch of government. I'm just not interested in discussing it in the hyperbolic context of the president being the country's supreme leader. I think the country could benefit a lot from everybody taking a step back and rethinking their assumptions of what the Executive branch is for, and what the President actually does.
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13th April 2018, 12:24 PM | #207 |
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Where did supreme leader come from?
Recognizing that the POTUS has some power to "Make America Great Again" and "Take their country back" if he is "given the reins to the country" hardly amounts to "supreme leader". If he can't do anything then why do we have a POTUS? |
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Not a shred of sympathy for any of them. They are free to burn in hell for their evil.
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17th April 2018, 02:49 PM | #210 |
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Not sure how to go about this comparison.
Obama failed to do a whole lot of the things that he said he was going to do. There was a lot of dissatisfaction at the lack of effectiveness he had as a president. During his presidency, I frequently heard rejoinders that effectively said that POTUS has really limited power to do anything, and that really, it's congress that gets things done. So the reason that Obama couldn't get things done was because POTUS really doesn't have that much power. |
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17th April 2018, 03:06 PM | #212 |
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My interpretation of Dr. Keith's post was that it was sarcasm.
POTUS is head of the executive. This person is in charge of enacting the laws created by Congress. The State of the Union address is the President reporting to Congress that he has made their will so upon the land, in a timely manner, within the budget granted, please don't impeach him. Over the centuries, and especially over the last century, Congress has delegated more decisionmaking power to the Executive. Political scientists have studied this phenomenon and have some theories about whether this is good or bad. |
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19th April 2018, 07:28 AM | #213 |
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Those looking for some more enjoyment of Trump voters getting exactly what they voted for and not liking it, look up NPR's Planet Money podcast, episode 832 (can't link, account too new).
It's about usurious payday lenders. Specifically follows the story of a Trump voter that got screwed by an especially sketchy lender. Turns out CFPB has been gutted under Trump and pending case against the sketchy lender has been dropped. Very savory schadenfreuden. |
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Another group that we should feel less than sympathetic to...
Harley-Davidson workers who have found that, thanks in part to Trump's tariffs and withdrawl from the TPP, are seeing production shift to foreign countries. From: http://www.kansascity.com/latest-new...204892439.html A handful of Harley-Davidson workers came by the office a few days ago to talk about the closing of their motorcycle plant north of the river. All were frustrated, as you might expect. ... President Donald Trump? He’d just imposed huge tariffs on imported steel. That will make domestic Harleys more expensive, encourage the company to move more jobs overseas and potentially lead other nations to raise taxes on Harley-Davidson bikes....Yet the workers weren’t really mad at the president. Most of the workforce at Harley-Davidson, they admitted, probably voted for him. But at least the Republican tax cut allowed the company to give huge dividends to share holders and engage in stock buybacks. That was the point of the tax cuts, wasn't it? |
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Trump support can be roughly divided into the cynical and the true believers.
Cynical: Rich people wanting less taxes on rich people Companies not wanting to pay for the consequences to third parties (externalities) of their business. Companies looking to get special favors from the government or to promote their business with the government (drug companies, military suppliers, etc.) True believers: Partisan Republicans (my party right or wrong) Social conservatives Nativists Racists People in particular niches that believe the government is harming the industry they are in for unjustified reasons (coal miners) Authoritarians Israel militancy supporters Extreme gun right believers I am sympathetic to people in the true believer group. They are preyed on and exploited by Fox News. They may not be particularly introspective about it, but they at least tell themselves their support of Trump is righteous. I have little or no sympathy for people in the cynical group. Based on their ethics they are criminals. They use legal and illegal bribery to promote their special interests at the expense of the general interests. They promote wars to sell more military hardware and to jack up the price of oil, they fight to prevent reasonable environmental protections to enrich themselves, they support destroying the social safety network to put more money in their already full pockets, they fight to remove reasonable consumer protections so they can exploit the poorest people in our society, etc. If given full rein the cynical portion of the American aristocracy could destroy the US as we know it today. There would be a kind of schadenfreude element to their victory. They would turn the US into a third world country with massive pollution (think China where children can't go to school many days of the year because of air pollution) and vast differences between the wealthy and the poor where the aristocracy is forced to live in walled compounds (think Haiti). |
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26th May 2018, 07:04 PM | #218 |
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You've omitted those from the "Heartland" who simply hate coastal urban elites, so they voted for a guy can't be any more coastal, urban or elite.
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26th May 2018, 08:21 PM | #219 |
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I agree, this is part of it. Envy and hate played a significant role in Trump support. People pissed at secular people, pissed at financially successful coastal citizens, and just in general more than happy to blame somebody else for the problems of life. So are these true believers or just jerks. I don't know. |
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26th May 2018, 08:43 PM | #220 |
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I have the least sympathy for the Trumpkins who try to lie on my Facebook page. That's a big no-no. I control my Facebook page. I don't like Trumpkins crapping all over it.
When this happens, I typically delete the Trumpkin gibberish and replace it with "This space was formerly occupied by the filthy, stinking lies of a Trumpkin who thought he could get away with using my Facebook page for a Trump dump." |
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I cannot be bothered to worry about farmers so stupid as to vote for trumpf - but at least their kids won't be forced to marry farm animals as they claimed in the early 80's and later.
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I find it hard to blame people for falling for demagoguery. Just how much money and airtime has been pointed at the 'government bad!' meme over the last 30 years? Corporate interests have leveraged the meme in order to sap power from elected government and pass it into the hands of unregulated corporate entities for which a weak government and a weak and incompetent president are desirable for corporations that want to do things for profit in opposition to the public good. This is not even the end point. Look how useless government is now? |
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I have watched two of our governors go to jail, a mayor rip up an airport in the middle of the night so he could build a park for his wife, and the state finances swirl down the bowl anchored by a bad pension system crafted to benefit government insiders.
Still not enough to make me vote for an ass like Trump (because he's cut from the same cloth, only with a more narcissistic dye), but not a shining example of selfless devotion to the will of the people either. |
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At this point, with all clear to see, anyone and everyone who still supports Trump is probably too far gone for redemption. Whether that support is emotional blind devotion or the calculus of strategic gamesmanship. The former have crossed over into unreality and demonstrate an inability for objective thinking. The latter are dangerous scum, whether cowardly pusilanimity or Machiavellian aggrandizement informs their motives.
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More fear that they are pointless and unimportant. Pretty much they are.
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There *must* be some element of a religion-like fervor going on here. In the space of but a single election cycle *white* evangelical Christians have jettisoned their erstwhile core insistence on moral rectitude in politicians, and have embraced one who is practically the antithesis. One does wonder if Trump really could shoot someone (a lefty librul, of course) and get yet another Mulligan from this crowd.
It seems the prosperity gospel aspect has blinded many to see Trump's 'wealth' as a sign of God's approval. Indeed, some number of his followers would seem to actually believe Trump was anointed by God in his mission. How widespread is this belief would be worthwhile to know. For a 'martyred' servant of God can be a catalyst to frightful upheaval. |
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Maybe you should prove them wrong instead. A common belief is that liberals will argue to a point then either leave the room in disgust or say they don't wanna talk about it.
These both happened to me recently. I told one good friend how much it cost me in gas to drive to San Jose. She said, "Ya because Trump bla bla..." I said, "I have this on my screen right now [and I did]. It says gas went up to 4 dollars under Obama and was around $1.80 when he began his term, so the person in office doesn't usually matter. Prices always fluctuate" Her: "I don't wanna talk politics!" "Me either, you mentioned Trump not me!" I'm sure both "sides" can claim the same thing though. I don't but surely some do All I mentioned was one little factoid that didn't fit her outrage of the day. Trump: Servant Of God. Haha maybe for a few. The rest need to believe Trump stands for them, God need not apply. I've mentioned the Martyr thing before but I attributed that to all the constant attacks coming from the left, everything from his appearance to virtually everything else, every day, constantly. Again, no gawd needed. People claimed the Obama thing was Messiah-ish as well. Or was that Santa Claus-ish? Anyone who thinks their guy, or their side, is The True Answer is a fool. |
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