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27th May 2018, 02:46 AM | #1 |
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What has happened to the UK
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Yes, the rise of the far right is concerning.
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27th May 2018, 03:30 AM | #3 |
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He was arrested for breach of the peace and incitement. I suppose we'll have to wait for more information before reaching a conclusion. But saying that, Tommy Robinson is a violent scumbag who belongs behind bars
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27th May 2018, 03:38 AM | #4 |
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He was also breaking the conditions of his suspended sentence from the last time he did it.
That is contempt of court. Police and Judges take it very seriously when you ignore the conditions of your sentence. He was taken back before the judge and put in to custody. When he comes out he will be on license and if he does it again before the license expires he will be whisked back inside again. He is doing it to get arrested, he makes sure his cronies are there to video it all and make a fuss. 'Help I'm being repressed' He is a Nazi **** stirrer. |
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For anyone not in the UK who doesn't know who Tommy Robinson is-:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomm...son_(activist)
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I’m fascinated that taking pictures is breaching the peace.
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Not in and of itself but then, you haven't bothered to find out what the original conviction was for or what restrictions were placed on him as conditions of his licence.
After breaching them he was arrested and the judge invoked the custodial option of his sentence and sent him to jail. They got him two ways. One for breaching his sentence and the other for contempt of court. His supporters are saying he should have had a trial and it's a stitch up. They forget that he already had the trial and was sentenced. |
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That's my understanding, at least in America. Courts and police may have very strict policies on protecting the identities of certain victims/defendants. All journalists have are their particular ethics. Most reputable agencies won't report on the identity of an underage defendant unless, like in a school shooting, it's already widely known. But it is really not that hard to figure out based on what is publicly available. My favorite was the widely reported divorce case Anonymous v. Anonymous where the main issue was valuation of the celebrity status of the Mayor of New York City and a soap opera actress. |
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It is common in the US for judges to issue gag orders during trials. The only difference here is extending it out to the courthouse entrance.
That too, though I believe Loss Leader is right, it's a press norm, not a law. But judges can order identities protected: witnesses, minors, victims. |
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In the UK, the press cannot breach the anonymity of rape victims or child victims of sexual abuse, though adult victims can choose to waive their own anonymity. Nor can they disclose details which could lead to identification, such as filming and naming defendants and witnesses outside a court where the defendants are related to victims, or the witnesses are victims.
That's what Robinson/Yaxley/Lennon/Harris was doing, and by doing so was breaching the terms of his suspended sentence for doing much the same thing. He was also commenting and speculating on matters which are sub judice. It's contempt of court, which is always seen as a serious matter. In both cases there was a real risk that Robinson's actions could have caused the trials to collapse and the guilty/allegedly guilty defendants to go free. For a man who is certainly in agreement that the Muslim grooming gang in the first trial should be jailed, his actions which could have led to them being freed to commit more offences strike me as bizarre. |
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Not in the UK. You are liable to prosecution if you divulge the identity of victims in rape and sexual assault trials and also if the victim is a minor.
Also if the defendant is a minor their identity is protected unless restrictions are lifted by the Judge which has happened on a few rare occasions. |
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In what sense?
For having grooming gangs (Muslims or not) intent on committing paedophilia? Sadly common in many countries. For prosecuting those gangs in a series of semi-linked cases? I would have thought it was the mark of a civilised country to do so. For giving victims of sexual crimes the right to anonymity and taking action against those like Robinson who would seek to break that anonymity? I cannot fathom why this is seen as awful. |
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I do not know why, but I always have much trouble following BtC's comments - very hard to read them - close to impossible. Might need better glasses...........................
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At the risk of derailing the thread, what public interest is there in knowing that (say) a particular eight year old girl was raped, as opposed to her having anonymity which she can choose to break if she wants to? How does having her name, age, address and school bandied about in the press help the child recover from that ordeal, or help her to live as normal a life as she can?
What sort of prurient person needs to know the name of a child victim of sexual abuse anyway? Isn't it enough that to know their age and gender? The UK protects victims of crime. That's not awful, it's civilised. |
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From Muslim-run think-tank Quilliam report:
‘84 per cent of ‘grooming gang’ offenders were (South) Asian, while they only make up seven per cent of total UK population and that the majority of these offenders are of Pakistani origin with Muslim heritage.’ But wasn’t he taking photos of the perpetrators, not the victims? |
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If pics of the offender are not allowed that either means the victim can be identified through connection with him, eg family member, or his anonymity is needed to ensure a fair trial for another defendant.
Either way, this guy was being stupid. He's either invading the privacy of a victim of child sexual abuse, or he's risking the collapse of another, similar, trial. |
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I didn't ask for your interest, I asked what the public interest is.
It is not analogous to saying "the cat that walked by is orange", it's analogous to saying "the child that walked by is a rape victim". Everyone can see a cat's colour (obviously except for blind or colour-blind people) but nobody can see the history of a child's involvement with a crime. Try again for a better analogy, or explain why you think that victims of rape should be identified. |
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