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28th October 2017, 11:00 AM | #41 |
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28th October 2017, 11:03 AM | #42 |
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28th October 2017, 11:42 AM | #43 |
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I'm hoping for a Manafort arrest. Pass the popcorn.
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28th October 2017, 12:10 PM | #45 |
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In order to get arrest warrants, Mueller would have to convince a Grand Jury AND a judge there is sufficient legal evidence to issue a warrant. That is an extremely high standard of evidence. The GOP keeps pushing "nothing there". That claim is forever trashed. At least one Grand Jury and a sitting judge disagree.
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28th October 2017, 05:06 PM | #51 |
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28th October 2017, 06:25 PM | #56 |
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It's not as high as you think. An indictment would be enough for a judge to issue an arrest warrant. I'm not sure there's even any discretion there.
Arrest Warrant or Summons on an Indictment or Information The indictment itself establishes probable cause. |
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28th October 2017, 06:44 PM | #58 |
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I don't think that he actually cares. He just likes seeing librul heds asplode. Yes, though, the left does largely value most of the founding principles, like the right also values most of the founding principles.
Adding on the grand jury helps with that, though. Even then, though, it still probably doesn't require as much as a conviction would. |
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28th October 2017, 06:58 PM | #59 |
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If nothing big comes of this, at least it caused Roger Stone to get bounced from Twitter. That's pretty funny. Sorry, trumpkins
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28th October 2017, 07:08 PM | #60 |
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There is a thread on Trump and all things Russia, and another thread on the rest of Trump things. How is this not part of Trump and all things Russia?
However, it's too late now and soon this will become the Trump and all things Russia thread which was soon to need a new thread in the series anyway. So oh well. But riddle me this, what topics on Trump and all things Russia will be off-topic here and how will we know? |
28th October 2017, 07:11 PM | #61 |
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28th October 2017, 07:14 PM | #62 |
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Umm, I don't think you need a judge for an arrest warrant, the prosecuting attorneys issue official charges. And it's pretty easy for the prosecutor to get a Grand Jury to indict. They present a case with no defense allowed. No one is there to object to evidence or questioning.
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28th October 2017, 07:53 PM | #63 |
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Depends on what the charges actually are. The Trumps (plural) helping the Iranian Guard launder money through the Trump Tower in Azerbaijan, for example, would likely not be as much about Trump's relationships to Russia. The President himself is nigh immune to charges, but the rest of the family is not.
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Is that hypothetical or did that happen?
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28th October 2017, 08:47 PM | #67 |
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Donald Trump's worst deal
The New Yorker is working hard to show Trump family connections to shady real estate deals. |
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Yes, you do need a judge. Only a court can issue a warrant. Prosecutors can file charges, but not issue warrants.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_4 |
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He may be nigh immune from being removed, but he can still be charged.
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28th October 2017, 09:15 PM | #76 |
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I don't know if Mueller's investigations delve deep into Trump family real estate deals, but the New Yorker helpfully points to U.S. laws possibly broken. Also per the New Yorker, Trump was upset because American firms weren't allowed to bribe foreign governments. (ED: That article was recent, not connected to Azerbaijan deal, but a conversation Trump supposedly had with SOS Tillerson)
I believe the judge's action is basically a rubber stamp. Do not know for sure at federal level, but the arrest warrant can basically be notifying the defendant to check in with a booking facility. People aren't necessarily taken into custody. While they're being booked, they technically are in custody - they're not free to turn around and leave. As soon as I heard this story I had a hunch - nothing but a hunch - that whoever is being arrested already has a deal with Mueller. If that's true there would be certain implications. That's just speculation but there's not a whole lot else to do until Monday. |
28th October 2017, 09:26 PM | #77 |
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Yeah, I had the same thought. Rather than run out and arrest someone, sometimes they go through lawyers and agree on a time and place for a person to turn themselves in. Especially if it is a white-collar crime and the accused is a rich white guy. Sometimes they can avoid being seen by the press that way.
My guess is that the person who is to be arrested already knows, has been in contact with the FBI (via lawyers) and and has agreed to turn himself in. If this is all true. I hope its true and I pray it isn't, if that makes any sense. I'd rather have a dumb, incompetent buffoon as president than an intelligent, calculating criminal. |
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29th October 2017, 02:03 AM | #80 |
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It does, however, seem to be within the potential scope of Mueller's investigation and serves as one of the examples of potential issues that are not directly related to Russia, but could be branched out to even if the investigation started with a focus on Russia. Money laundering in general is a rather likely charge for a number of the people that Trump's had around him, though, whether it be for the Russians or for others.
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