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30th October 2017, 05:17 AM | #121 |
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Manafort associate with his own ties to Russian oligarchs
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No twitter tirade yet.
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30th October 2017, 05:46 AM | #126 |
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Manafort?
FusionGPS...Obama...DNC..Hillary...uranium 1.. Benghazi!!!!! Fox and Trump are trying very much to distract from the Mueller investigation. |
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The first two dominos fall, how long till we see Michael Flynn doing the perp walk I wonder.
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...63492645437441
That was at 4:30 am. It might nap time at the Day Care center..or maybe circle time. Perhaps he is mapping out his tirade, "I can only do 240 characters! SAD!" "The bigly deep state consipracy" how many is that so far? 27, "who chooses to ignore the horrible clintons..." Okay, there's tweet #1. |
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Who do you think will sing First, and the loudest?
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I wonder if Trump would be in favour of "enhanced interrogation techniques" to make Manafort talk.
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30th October 2017, 06:25 AM | #136 |
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https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...ctment-OCR.pdf
Statutory Allegations COUNT ONE (Conspiracy Against The United States) COUNT TWO (Conspiracy To Launder Money) COUNTS THREE THROUGH SIX (Failure To File Reports Of Foreign Bank And Financial Accounts For Calendar Years 2011-2014) COUNTS SEVEN THROUGH NINE (Failure To File Reports Of Foreign Bank And Financial COUNT TEN (Unregistered Agent Of A Foreign Principal) COUNT ELEVEN (False and Misleading FARA Statements) COUNT TWELVE (False Statements) Accounts For Calendar Years 2011-2013) |
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That's pretty much it.
We're still pretty much in the bluff and bluster stage of things where there's plenty of posturing for the press. With these indictments, we might be getting toward something substantive, although the speculation from the radio talkers this morning was that these indictments deal with issues not related to the Trump campaign, and that they are a way of putting pressure on Manafort to spill the beans about stuff that is really important, assuming there are beans to spill. One way or another, I think we can trust Mueller to follow the trail and do the right thing. If he comes up with something substantive against Trump, we'll know it, and no amount of tweeting will change that. |
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So will Trump hang Manafort out to dry or will he come to his defense?
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LOL. It's the Ukraine thing.
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See what? Did you read at least the first page of the document linked by C_Felix? The conspiracy is money laundering with their old buddies from Ukraine. A lot has been written about that in publications you don't even know about. Nuttin to do with Trump, or (in essence) Russia. But one degree to Killary. |
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So, how long until the pardon?
I suppose it stands between Trump's worry that Manafort might cut a deal with the prosecutor for info about the Trumpettes and him worrying about pardoning Manafort removes his ability to use the fifth amendment. |
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How witty. You'll be in for a couple of more surprises as long as you receive your programming from complicit sources, buddy. Fun to watch, though. |
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I am completely clueless about the US legal system.
If there are now criminal charges, is Trump allowed to say anything by way of support, or would that be considered to be interfering in a criminal case? |
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When has that ever stopped the Trump Administration ?
I expect a full Twitter storm, more outrageous allegations against Hillary, Comey, Mueller and so on, some kind of ramping up against North Korea and picking some kind of nonsensical fight with another group of people to create a smokescreen. I also expect calls from The President for the power of the press and FBI to be curtailed and for the courts to be subservient to the Executive - claims which will then be spun differently by his lackeys like Kelly and Sessions. |
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It kind of is. If I read it correctly, it is basically "conspiracy to commit a federal crime". I'll add the obligatory IANAL in this case, but that's what it looks like to me.
I've skimmed the indictment. Here's what it appears to me. Manafort and Gates were paid lobbyists of the Ukranian government for a long time, before Manafort became Trump's campaign manager, but they didn't pay taxes on all the money that they were paid by the Ukranians. It appears this has nothing to do with Trump at all. As the radio-speakers I heard this morning were saying, it is a means to put the squeeze on him and spill the beans on anything that he knows about Trump or the Trump campaign. ETA: I should add that these don't look like some sort of trumped up charges (no pun intended). It looks like these guys were involved in some serious and very deliberate tax evasion. It's just that their prior criminality is not directly a Trump thing. However, it gives the prosecutors leverage. Cooperate with the bigger investigation in exchange for some leniency on the foreign lobbying/tax evasion charges. |
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IANAL, but my understanding is that conspiracy charge would apply if you conspired with another person to defraud the federal government in anyway.
E.g. it could be as minor as you and a friend planning to underpay your taxes. Quick googling got me this: https://lawnewz.com/legal-analysis/p...er-than-it-is/
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I have not vetted this source. It appeared in my google search. Edit: Here is the actual law https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371
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IANAL, but I think so, if it in any way related to a government function. In this case, if I read it correctly, they interfered with the Department of Justice by lying to them during an investigation, and they interfered with the Department of the Treasury by not correctly reporting income.
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