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30th October 2017, 07:17 AM | #161 |
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George Papadopoulos was also indicted. You might remember him as the Trump aide that tried to set up a meeting with Putin during the campaign.
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30th October 2017, 07:23 AM | #163 |
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Reading the indictment the Russia connection is rather obvious, as it is about financial ties between Manafort and his associates and Yanukovic and the Party of Regions in the Ukraine - a man and a party with heavy backing from Putin. There's nothing in the indictment to implicate Trump, but what is there will probably worry the Cheeto Supreme, as it's about money-laundering and illicit business practices which is what has been put forth as possible charges against the big man himself.
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It shouldn't worry him. There is zero chance the Democrats will be able to leverage anything in these indictments back to Trump in any usable way.
Mueller could literally show a video of Putin himself handing a giant cartoon money bag with a dollar sign on it to him while shouting "THIS IS FOR FIXING THE ELECTION FOR TRUMP! TO REPEAT THIS IS AN ILLEGAL BRIBE THAT I, PUTIN, AM GIVING YOU, MUELLER, TO FIX THE ELECTION FOR TRUMP!" during the Halftime Show of the Superbowl and Democrats would find a way to not make that stick. |
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Before you say something stupid about climate change, check this list. "If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. " Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1 |
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Before you say something stupid about climate change, check this list. "If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. " Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1 |
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There is something funny about this Trump tweet.
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Seth Abramson with interesting timeline that fleshes out Page, Papadopoulos ...
https://mobile.twitter.com/SethAbram...50485277380615 (THREAD) This is a picture of one of the biggest moments in the Trump-Russia scandal—and no one has reported on it until now. Please SHARE. |
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30th October 2017, 09:00 AM | #191 |
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This isn't NY.
But that's my last post on this because it'll either be tossed into the hopeless dungeon or split off and anyone can look the information up just like I did. Prosecutors do not always need a judge to sign arrest warrants and how often does a judge go against a Grand Jury indictment anyway? This argument is stupid. |
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How to make a nothing burger:
Ingredient 1: A campaign adviser pleading guilty lying to the FBI about meeting with Russians to get dirt on Hillary. |
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In their shoes I'd call it a politically motivated witch hunt which seeks to turn a molehill of some slight financial oversights relating to people on the far periphery of (indeed barely related to) the Trump Administration into a mountain of corruption relating to Russia.
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Trump minion-pundits out in force on the three MSNM broadcasts:
Chris Christie: discussing the illegality of leaking Grand Jury information about the impending indictments. --- I'm not sure leaking an impending indictment equates to leaking GJ information. All of the regular minion-pundits when asked their opinions, immediately shift to denial and distraction: Hillary, uranium, it was all before the campaign, WH not implicated, not a single word in the indictment that refers to the campaign, charges don't relate to any actions about collusion [they do of course, because Manafort lobbied to get the GOP Platform changed against the Ukraine sanctions]... Fox news framing: Papadopoulos only admitted lying to the FBI, he didn't admit to any collusion. Fox:"He (Papadopoulos) didn't do anything wrong but he lied about it which was the crime." --- OMG, these Trumpers are going to deny it to the end. Hello, the plea bargain charges are always less than the actual potential charges. Fox news: There are a whole slew of Russia-gate issues, Mueller needs to look at both sides, no evidence Mueller is looking at both sides... which they immediately contradicted saying he was: Another pundit: Mueller is investigating Podesta and Podesta's company's involvement in the uranium blah blah blah... Call for Mueller to recuse himself (latest angle to get rid of Mueller) because he has relevant testimony on the "Uranium 1 deal". And finally, note the framing: Pundit: "Trump doesn't believe there was any collusion." |
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