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Old 24th May 2018, 11:44 AM   #3121
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Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
Right, which I answered by saying, "No, they aren't, they're just low information or spoon fed from Fox." ....
And speaking of that. I've been switching between Fox, CNN and MSNBC for a while. Given they repeat the news about one or three times an hour you see the same "breaking news" on each station. If you are watching Fox it's like watching opposite world, literally.
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Old 24th May 2018, 11:44 AM   #3122
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how is that a question?
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Old 24th May 2018, 12:35 PM   #3123
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Trump tweets

"Not surprisingly, the GREAT Men & Women of the FBI are starting to speak out against Comey, McCabe and all of the political corruption and poor leadership found within the top ranks of the FBI. Comey was a terrible and corrupt leader who inflicted great pain on the FBI! #SPYGATE"
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Old 24th May 2018, 02:05 PM   #3124
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My favourite part of Starsky and Hutch was when they went undercover to investigate a crime and then, when they caught the criminal red-handed, he said “You were spying on me!” so Captain Dobey told them to drop all the charges and let them go.
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Old 24th May 2018, 02:15 PM   #3125
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Reporting after the Congressional briefing of Nunes et al today:

MSNBC and CNN: there were no spies, the FBI was looking at Russians interfering in the election, including using an informant while investigating members of Trump campaign who had contact with Russians.

The Clintons were pissed as hell that none of this investigation came out before the election. IOW, how could this have possibly been something to get Trump when the FBI actually protected Trump?

Upside down world, Fox News: Spygate blah blah blah, Nunes announced the same conclusions he had already drawn up before the meeting (prove him wrong, the meeting was secret).


In the meantime, Nunes' fund-raising is scoring big payments, more than a couple million.

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Old 24th May 2018, 03:30 PM   #3126
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
It will be interesting to see what he gets.
That's a statement, not a question.

Questions are easy to spot. They have question marks after them.

Some questions are less easy to spot, but you can usually work out what they are by adding a question mark to the end of a sentence and seeing if it reads like a question would.

If you add a question mark to the end of the statement "It will be interesting to see what he gets." it still does not read like a question.

Do you see how this works?
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Old 24th May 2018, 04:59 PM   #3127
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My point is that I think there's a high likelihood that the polling percent is high, not because people are ignorant or willfully delusional, but because they're answering a different question than what is asked.

Your argument is that they just might be a different kind of stupid? Uhh... okay.
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Old 24th May 2018, 07:01 PM   #3128
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Trump tweets

"Not surprisingly, the GREAT Men & Women of the FBI are starting to speak out against Comey, McCabe and all of the political corruption and poor leadership found within the top ranks of the FBI. Comey was a terrible and corrupt leader who inflicted great pain on the FBI! #SPYGATE"
I hate the orange menace more and more each and every day.
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Old 25th May 2018, 01:19 AM   #3129
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What does papa accepting a plea have to do with the question in my post?
Dude. I mean, come on.
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Old 25th May 2018, 01:32 AM   #3130
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Is SPYGATE catching on yet?
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Old 25th May 2018, 02:02 AM   #3131
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Is SPYGATE catching on yet?
yep.
It's the when the guy Trump just pardoned committed treason by revealing the identity of a CIA operative.
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Old 25th May 2018, 03:28 AM   #3132
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After classified "FBI spy" meeting, McConnell says he has confidence in Mueller
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Old 25th May 2018, 05:21 AM   #3133
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I hate the orange menace more and more each and every day.
Garbage does turn to rot.
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Old 25th May 2018, 05:23 AM   #3134
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And nunes hasn't said anything yet.
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Old 25th May 2018, 06:04 AM   #3135
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And nunes hasn't said anything yet.
He still has Trump's cock in his holster.
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Old 25th May 2018, 07:16 AM   #3136
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Back to spies for Trump

" The Democrats are now alluding to the the concept that having an Informant placed in an opposing party’s campaign is different than having a Spy, as illegal as that may be. But what about an “Informant” who is paid a fortune and who “sets up” way earlier than the Russian Hoax?"

" “Everyone knows there was a Spy, and in fact the people who were involved in the Spying are admitting that there was a Spy...Widespread Spying involving multiple people.” Mollie Hemingway, The Federalist Senior Editor But the corrupt Mainstream Media hates this monster story!"

"Can anyone even imagine having Spies placed in a competing campaign, by the people and party in absolute power, for the sole purpose of political advantage and gain? And to think that the party in question, even with the expenditure of far more money, LOST!"
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Old 25th May 2018, 08:05 AM   #3137
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There's little that has happened in the last couple of years in US politics that has shocked me, but it's happened today. Here is a statement that Captain Swoop has quoted Trump as making: "And to think that the party in question, even with the expenditure of far more money, LOST!" I fact-checked it and, you know what? It's actually true. There was more money spent on the Clinton campaign than on the Trump campaign. I'm so used to the blanket, pointless lying, that this really stands out.
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Old 25th May 2018, 08:34 AM   #3138
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There's little that has happened in the last couple of years in US politics that has shocked me, but it's happened today. Here is a statement that Captain Swoop has quoted Trump as making: "And to think that the party in question, even with the expenditure of far more money, LOST!" I fact-checked it and, you know what? It's actually true. There was more money spent on the Clinton campaign than on the Trump campaign. I'm so used to the blanket, pointless lying, that this really stands out.
That's because he didn't include the money spent by the networks covering him nonstop.
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Old 25th May 2018, 12:27 PM   #3139
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Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd View Post
Your argument is that they just might be a different kind of stupid? Uhh... okay.
No. I think it likely that they're answering what they believe the *intent* of the question is, not the literal question itself. It's not uncommon. We've seen plenty of people here who will stick to what they think the intent of a politician's statement is regardless of what the actual words are. This isn't limited to any specific party, it's a trait of humans in general.

That doesn't make one "stupid". It merely makes one normal and not a pedant sucked into a semantic wormhole.
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Old 25th May 2018, 12:42 PM   #3140
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That's because he didn't include the money spent by the networks covering him nonstop.
It may be worth noting that it also doesn't even try to include the decades of money and effort spent on very loud Clinton vilification by the GOP nationwide. Trump's procession of frequently much more real problematic behavior has been treated as more of a joke, on the other hand, and has nothing even remotely similar going on.
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Old 25th May 2018, 12:49 PM   #3141
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That's because he didn't include the money spent by the networks covering him nonstop.
To be fair, that bit was kinda smart it turns out. While you and I thought that every stupid comment was pissing his chances away, his voters seemed to eat it up. And it didn't cost him much at all.

So, yeah, that free publicity was not money he spent on the campaign. Maybe it's a shame that it worked so well, but so it goes, evidently.
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Old 25th May 2018, 01:26 PM   #3142
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To be fair, that bit was kinda smart it turns out. While you and I thought that every stupid comment was pissing his chances away, his voters seemed to eat it up. And it didn't cost him much at all.
On the other hand, many people think that the media was far too generous towards Trump in that they didn't challenge his "stupid comments" as strongly as they should have at the time, either because it was good ratings or because they wanted to appear impartial.

Take for example the Matt Lauer foreign policy "forum"... Clinton got hammered on the email issue (and got repeatedly interrupted), whereas Trump was given softball questions and never challenged on his obvious lies.

Its not enough just to show Trump saying stupid stuff (and maybe commenting on it later... "how dumb was that"), but they would have needed to actually challenge Trump at the time he said the stupid stuff.
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Old 25th May 2018, 02:32 PM   #3143
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On the other hand, many people think that the media was far too generous towards Trump in that they didn't challenge his "stupid comments" as strongly as they should have at the time, either because it was good ratings or because they wanted to appear impartial.

Take for example the Matt Lauer foreign policy "forum"... Clinton got hammered on the email issue (and got repeatedly interrupted), whereas Trump was given softball questions and never challenged on his obvious lies.

Its not enough just to show Trump saying stupid stuff (and maybe commenting on it later... "how dumb was that"), but they would have needed to actually challenge Trump at the time he said the stupid stuff.
Sure, woulda been nice.
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Old 26th May 2018, 02:19 AM   #3144
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It's being reported that Trump's legal team want a briefing on the classified information lawmakers were party to yesterday, in order to end Mueller's probe
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Old 26th May 2018, 03:06 AM   #3145
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"I deserve to know what the DA's got on me!"
- Every guilty scumbag, ever
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Old 26th May 2018, 12:48 PM   #3146
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Trump tweets

"With Spies, or “Informants” as the Democrats like to call them because it sounds less sinister (but it’s not), all over my campaign, even from a very early date, why didn’t the crooked highest levels of the FBI or “Justice” contact me to tell me of the phony Russia problem?"

He lies again. He was warned in 2016 by the FBI that the Russians might be trying to infiltrate and influence his campaign.


calling his own agency crooked?


and

"This whole Russia Probe is Rigged. Just an excuse as to why the Dems and Crooked Hillary lost the Election and States that haven’t been lost in decades. 13 Angry Democrats, and all Dems if you include the people who worked for Obama for 8 years. #SPYGATE & CONFLICTS OF INTEREST!"
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"When will the 13 Angry Democrats (& those who worked for President O), reveal their disqualifying Conflicts of Interest? It’s been a long time now! Will they be indelibly written into the Report along with the fact that the only Collusion is with the Dems, Justice, FBI & Russia?"
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So the FBI And the Democrats are colluding with Russia?


Trump isn't very bright, but he sure knows how to lie to confused and low-information people.

I can see it actually working.
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"When will the 13 Angry Democrats (& those who worked for President O), reveal their disqualifying Conflicts of Interest? It’s been a long time now! Will they be indelibly written into the Report along with the fact that the only Collusion is with the Dems, Justice, FBI & Russia?"
Let me get this straight. The President staffed his campaign with 2 indicted tax frauds/money launderers (one pled guilty already), an agent of a foreign power (Page), and an unregistered foreign agent (Flynn), among other things.

And the scandal is that the FBI was concerned?
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Old 27th May 2018, 03:38 AM   #3150
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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/sta...11941595553792

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Mueller's team has obtained a presentation prepared by an Israel-based intel firm that outlines ways in which Trump's election was helped by fake news, social-media accounts, WSJ reports.

The firm’s founder attended that 2nd Don Jr. Trump Tower meeting.
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Helped? Lol

Hills has claimed she lost because of it!
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Helped? Lol

Hills has claimed she lost because of it!
Your post seems to be claiming that the article is understating the effect on the election. Is that accurate?
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President Trump on Sunday said the investigation into Russia's election interference has "destroyed" and "devastated" lives.
I should send Trump a tweet to let him know he really made my day with this.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp
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"When will the 13 Angry Democrats (& those who worked for President O), reveal their disqualifying Conflicts of Interest? It’s been a long time now! Will they be indelibly written into the Report along with the fact that the only Collusion is with the Dems, Justice, FBI & Russia?"
What are their disqualifying conflicts of interest? Chapter and verse from the CFR please.
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I should send Trump a tweet to let him know he really made my day with this.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp
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"They journeyed down to Washington, D.C., with stars in their eyes and wanting to help our nation...They went back home in tatters!"
He's trying to make us all numb by overwhelming us with stupidity day after day.
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So the FBI And the Democrats are colluding with Russia?


Trump isn't very bright, but he sure knows how to lie to confused and low-information people.

I can see it actually working.
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"I deserve to know what the DA's got on me!"
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Irrespective of guilt, Lawyers will invoke discovery, subpoenas, etc so that a legal defense can be organized. Don’t you agree that’s the prudent action you’d take if you were charged with a crime? If it isn’t, please explain what action you would take.

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
He's trying to make us all numb by overwhelming us with stupidity day after day.
Liverpoolmiss's take on this over on Badscience:

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Well, I'm baffled.

Anyone able to unpick this?

Anyone?

It's a nice little riddle.

Originally Posted by racistDonaldTrump
Who’s going to give back the young and beautiful lives (and others) that have been devastated and destroyed by the phony Russia Collusion Witch Hunt? They journeyed down to Washington, D.C., with stars in their eyes and wanting to help our nation...They went back home in tatters!
Originally Posted by liverpoolmiss
Young and beautiful = Ivanka? Ivanka and Jared? Melania?

I don't think even the most devoted of fathers would describe Donald Jr and Eric as beautiful.

Can't mean Flynn, surely? Nor Manafort?

There's the young and beautiful Papadopoulos and Carter Page. They had stars in their eyes and a bit of light treason in their hearts.
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Irrespective of guilt, Lawyers will invoke discovery, subpoenas, etc so that a legal defense can be organized. Don’t you agree that’s the prudent action you’d take if you were charged with a crime? If it isn’t, please explain what action you would take.
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By the way, the amount of evidence Mueller has to consider is flooding in. The Trump corruption is so obvious Nunes had to cover up what the House investigation found and block the committee from looking at all the available evidence.

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Liverpoolmiss's take on this over on Badscience:
I thought Trump was referring to Hope Hicks.
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Irrespective of guilt, Lawyers will invoke discovery, subpoenas, etc so that a legal defense can be organized. Don’t you agree that’s the prudent action you’d take if you were charged with a crime? If it isn’t, please explain what action you would take.
About that last paragraph... Yes. When charges are laid against him. Has Trump been charged? No? Then he has no business seeing the results of an investigation *in progress.*

Unless he's more 'special' than every other US citizen. Is he above the law?

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