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7th December 2017, 01:16 PM | #201 |
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We've heard that one several times already, and it only gets worse: Each little bunny rabbit is also "a category unto itself," but that doesn't stop science from categorizing all the little rabbits as a rabbits and distinguishing them from rats, squirrels and other rodents, and distinguishing rodents from … You (and all the others who love this argument) are arguing that science on rapists is impossible because every rapist is so wonderfully unique, "a category unto themselves"but, no, they're not. Not where it counts. Being a rapist is still something that every little rapist has in common with all the other little rapists. And exclusively with them.
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Yes! Congratulations! You seem to have made a new discovery! Scientists use the word "typical." Now all you need to do is realize why:
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Not any insight at all? None whatsoever? I'm sorry, but "listening to the victims" telling us about rapist behavior already did - and it is especially enlightening when you have already read the NYT article about the smug rapists.
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No, not all rape is explained by anti-social personality disorder, but it seems to be a majority of cases. Your imaginary "situationally callous" rapist, however, is one that you have made up based on nothing but your own eagerness to see rapists as empathic, which they're not, so "there has to be" no such thing. It's a figment of your imagination. |
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If we exclude rapists that feel empathy, we haven't significantly reduced the group of rapists, so please go ahead and exclude them. That is, if you can actually find any. I've tried googling "compassionate rapists" without finding anything useful. This thread is #5 on the list! |
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7th December 2017, 01:47 PM | #203 |
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No, you did not say: ”even multiple someones.”
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Since the NYT article, which you conveniently forget now, stressed that repeat offenders are much more likely to lack empathy, it is not at all pointless to maintain that they weren’t ’once-in-a-lifetime’ rapists, but actually raped at least a couple of someones.
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You would have had an insight if you'd read the NYT article carefully and maybe even taken notes. The article is full of insights into the mind of a rapist.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you the one who insisted that the "rush" explained all of human behavior? - maybe combined with "rationalization", in particular in the case of rapists … What you don't seem to get is that these guys aren't poor victims of a brain gone haywire, which is why the law treats them as sane, accountable for their own actions, and sentences them to jail instead of having them committed.
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Lack of empathy, i.e. narcissism, sociopathy, psychopathy, anti-social personality disorder, seems to explain the behavior of most rapists. The ones who are committed are an insignificant number of cases.
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No, you don't even seem to get that idea. A psedo-explanation like the "rush" is a hammer. It can be used everywhere about everything and consequently explains nothing. My careful analysis and criticism of your false arguments and claims are not a hammer.
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No, you haven't used that term. Instead you have been adamant about your chimera of the empathic rapist struggling to overcome his repulsion at raping by means of rationalizations, i.e. the compassionate rapist (which is always a contradiction in terms no matter how you put it).
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No, the regular, average, empathic guy doesn't want to rape anybody. The regular, average, empathic, situationally callous rapist, however, does, but that is only because he’s a figment of your imagination.
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I added the more or less hypothetical guys who are stupid and misled for your benefit because I don't want to exclude the possibility that such guys exist. What the article says, however, is that the more lacking in empathy you are, the more likely it is that you will rape, and in particular do it over and over again. (Unlike the hypothetical stupid guy who believed the stories about women wanting to be coerced - and only found out that it wasn't true when he saw his victim’s reaction.
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You're the one who's obsessed with mental illness. I've warned you from the beginning against the false abstraction from the disorders characterized by a lack of empathy: sociopathy, narcissism.
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Why should they? Have you found any mention of your new chimera, "situational callousness" during your frantic internet search for abstracts that seemed to support your ideas? If you have, please let us know, let us see your links.
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Then it should be extremely easy for you to find the quotation. Let us know when you do!
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Good! Now all you need to understand is that ”perceived slights, insults, provocations, seductions, etc.” is very different from actual crimes (like rape) and atrocities (like the genocide of the Nazis), which is what made your imaginary 'cases' become 'situationally callous'. You seem to be completely unaware that your words actually describe narcissists:
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Yes, it does matter what the ”rapists think these women did”. If they exhibit the kind of thinking that characterizes narcissists, then it’s probably because they are narcissist. (Is it still necessary for me to remind you that narcissists lack empathy?)
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It doesn’t have to be very descriptive if it is correct. You have an immense difficulty with abstractions. I really don’t think that you understand what they are. What you definitely don’t get is that sociopathy and narcissism are much more specific than the abstraction from them as mental illnesses or disorders. They are indeed ”labels”, and very helpful ones when you want to understand rapists, which is why researchers use them – also in the NYT article.
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Man, I’m about ripe to become situationally callous! When I use the words sociopathy or narcissist in the context of rape, instead of the one that you would now prefer, mental illness, I do so because they are obviously relevant when talking about the mind of the rapist. That is the reason why the NYT article mentions narcissism a couple of times instead of mental illness. Over the years many words have been used for approximately the same thing: narcissist, psychopath, sociopath, anti-social personality disorder, and nowadays: borderline. Narcissism has usually been described as the milder form, sociopathy as worse, and psychopathy as the worst of the three ‘old’ words. However, all three of them are characterized by lack of empathy, which is also what makes the distinction between them difficult. But if you want to switch to either anti-social personality disorder or borderline, it’s fine by me since this is not a professional discussion. |
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8th December 2017, 03:11 AM | #205 |
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Absolutely right. It will impede the pathetic Weinstein excuse: "That was the culture then."
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Sure they have something in common: they are rapists.
No one has said science on rapists is impossible. Honestly, I really don't think that much more discussion with you is going to be fruitful. You very much want to pigeonhole all perpetrators of rape into a nice, neat category -sociopathic/narcissistic- so that you can have a nice, neat answer to your simplistic and naive question. All I and others are trying to tell you is that there are no nice, neat answers. I challenge you to find scholarly articles that support your position; you won't find them.
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As for typologies, there are all kinds of rapist typologies out there. Scientists categorize rapists on any number of factors but there is no accepted standard model of rapist typology. But let's pretend there is, for argument's sake; in fact, let's use your own typology: the anti-social personality. You can argue that the typical rapist is anti-social and I won't disagree with you. However, not all people with anti-social personalities rape. IOW, you are still stuck with your OP question: What made THAT particular anti-social person want to have sex with an unwilling partner? People aren't bunnies, dann.
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No, dann, I didn't. I assumed that when I said "when a person rapes someone," that you would understand that I was talking about all rapists in general whether one-time-only or multiple. The distinction is totally irrelevant to the point I was making.
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No, the distinction was totally relevant to the point that you were making, which was: Trying to prove your chimera of the compassionate rapists, "sorry for their behavior", driven by the "rush" and overcome by another figment of your imagination, "situational callousness", which is so much more unlikely when you are dealing with repeat offenders, because not only do rapists tend to lack empathy, but repeat offenders do so much more so, to the extent that it is highly unlikely that such a creature as the compassionate rapist of more than one woman exists outside of your contrived hypothesis. That the both stupid, ignorant and misled rapist, not completely devoid of empathy may exist is something we've taken for granted - at least hypothetically. But I'm starting to wonder why this mythical creature is so important to you.
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No, it wasn't, but it isn't very hard to imagine what goes on inside the imaginary minds of your mythical creatures, the rapists with a conscience, who are "sorry about their behavior", the rapists with empathy, that I've named "compassionate rapists": They are misled by (what might even be well-meaning and female) friends and by the cultural myth of women who say no but mean yes, and in addition to this they are unable to read the signals of a woman (or man) who obviously (to normal, empathic men) doesn't consent to and definitely doesn't enjoy what he's doing to her, and so it comes as a shock to him when he discovers what he has done: forced a woman (or man) to have sex with him, penetrated without consent, raped! Highly unlikely, but let us not rule out this highly unlikely scenario. However, as unlikely as he is, he isn't very interesting However, we actually know that even men who watch rape porn tend not to rape if they have empathy and even less so when they rape more than once, and they were the ones that I was talking about in my opening post, which you keep referring to, but apparently without knowing (or remembering) what I wrote: That was the question I asked in the OP! I know, not what you're talking about. I've had to deal with your attempt at digression for an awfully long time now.
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I've found enough already, whereas you have found only references that contradict your claim, so please find just one single article that supports your ideas of: 1) the rush 2) situational callousness the figments of your imagination, based on your wish to render it likely that your rapists with empathy exist in a number large enough to make them relevant.
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Go ahead. See if it helps your search for the compassionate rapists if you look for them among female rapists: The understudied female predator
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This is rich! When you claim that rapists can't be categorized because they're all so different and that it's impossible to find something typical because they're all so individual, and I then show you that researchers both categorized and typologize, you come up with: "there are all kinds of rapist typologies." And yes, there are! Researchers use them to do research! But please go ahead, take it to the next level and complain that categories can't be categorized …
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That was never my OP question. I really think that you should go back and read the whole thing again. You have managed to confuse yourself so much by now that you seem to think I asked the question that you want to prove can't be answered.
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No, and rapists aren't empathic.
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I gotta say, when you make up a strawman, you know how to recycle it, and you really seem to think that if there's one rapist out there whose behavior can't be explained, then my OP question can't be answered. Again: Go back and read it!
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9th December 2017, 05:59 AM | #212 |
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Somebody who was raped a very long time ago and still has emotional scars from the experience? Yes, probably.
The thing about bullying is that it usually goes on and on and on. It rarely is just one incident so even though each little incident may seem insignificant, it builds up over time and may leave much deeper scars. I have met rape victims who did not seem to be deeply traumatized by the experience. I have not heard of victims of bullying who were not affected for the rest of their lives. But I am no expert so I would definitely recommend the discussion with a professional. |
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That sounds pretty reasonable.
I remember a kid in my 6th grade class who was bullied relentlessly and I've always felt guilty for not helping him. I didn't participate, but it was the only time that I was too intimidated to try to step in and stop it. I also went through some bullying myself which gave me some understanding, but it was nothing like what that kid had to endure. It was mostly non-physical but the psychological torture on a daily basis was in many ways worse than physical bullying. It's actually hard to understand that in much the same way as you are asking about rapists. Those bullies were kids I grew up with and while some were worse than others they were generally just normal kids. What drove them to treat him like that, and even derive pleasure from it? I really couldn't understand it at the time. Now I can see it as related to status seeking on a social hierarchy, or something like that. Anyway this is a bit of a derail. |
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Deadly is a pretty strong word, but there seems to be a lingering effect several years later, and since inflammation is one the things that tends to age us, there is probably reason to suspect that it may shorten the lifespan of victims.
The article seems to be based on some of these studies: Apr. 2013: Adult Psychiatric Outcomes of Bullying and Being Bullied by Peers in Childhood and Adolescence Aug. 2013: Impact of Bullying in Childhood on Adult Health, Wealth, Crime, and Social Outcomes 2013/2014: Adult Health Outcomes of Childhood Bullying Victimization: Evidence From a Five-Decade Longitudinal British Birth Cohort Sep. 2015: Does childhood bullying predict eating disorder symptoms? A prospective, longitudinal analysis Mar. 2016: Psychiatric outcomes of bullying victimization: a study of discordant monozygotic twins |
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However, that doesn't mean that I want to downplay the long-term effect of rape on many other victims. |
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I never thought that you did!
I just wanted to make sure that nobody else did either. Anyway, it's not a 'who's-more-vicitmized competition'. |
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http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2017...st-the-pricks/
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"… someone who either lacks imagination or has never done a thorough moral inventory."
I would say both. A typically narcissistic attitude: I deserve the honor for being able to keep up appearances, and I'm so clever that I'll never be found out. I just wonder if nobody tipped them off at Rutgers, or if they just didn't care. PS I guess this is why: Rutgers University: We Won't Return Donations from Harvey Weinstein (Oct. 16, 2017) |
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Robert Sutton: Want to fix sexual harassment? Don't hire jerks (CNN, Dec. 15, 2017)
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Accused submarine murderer Peter Madsen claims that he is a "compassionate psychopath" (my translation from Danish of "kærlig psykopat").
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The idea is absurd, of course, but somehow it also seems to be comforting, not only to the psychopaths themselves but also to ordinary people. Otherwise I can't account for the phenomenon of the good serial killer in fiction: Dexter and Hannibal Lecter. In the novels, the latter evolves from a kind of super villain to the Dexter-kind of serial killer, who kills only bad guys - in the prequel mainly cannibalistic Nazis and other racists.
Madsen has described himself as both a psychopath and a sadist, but he still seems to think of himself as a good guy. In this thread, I was the one who came up with the term "compassionate rapist" to describe xjx388's more or less imaginary subset of rapists with empathy, who rape in spite of their alleged empathy with the victims because they are somehow overcome by "situational callousness," a concept invented by xjx388. |
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Lol, yes, I invented it.
Oh wait...I cited sources who described it. Here’s another: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12616926/
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Most of us, probably, but it's hard to tell with these guys, who often lie about everything. However, I have seen interviews with serial killers who don't claim to be good guys and say themselves that the only way to deal with them is to keep them locked up.
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Oh yes, you can! Even though both concepts seem nonsensical, victim-specific "cognitive distortions" are a far cry from situation-specific "callousness". In the first case, assuming that it's an actual thing, restraining orders would be in place: 'Don't go within a certain distance of the person who allegedly distorts your cognition to the extent where you find it appropriate to rape her (or him)!' On top of the list, of course, would be the people already raped by the recipient of the restraining order. Whereas in your own imaginary cases, the order of the day would be ... what? ... 'Don't ever put yourself and your potential victims in a situation that makes you callous enough to rape them!'??? I have to admit that I find it hard to believe in a study that seems to confirm typical psychopathic victim-blaming: 'Look what you, yes, I mean you specifically, made me do to you!' It should also be mentioned that it's a study that compares two groups only, "27 incarcerated rapists and 27 incarcerated nonsexual offenders", none of whom can be expected to exhibit normal empathy. |
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I honestly don't know what you are on about in that response. . . it reads like pure gibberish.
As to your last sentence, you aren't grokking the basic idea: people can have empathy in general but not for their victims. Kind of blows the lid off your, "Every rapist is a sociopath," theory. But please, consider my intrusion a temporary nuisance . . .carry on. |
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27th April 2018, 06:24 AM | #233 |
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To you many things seem to read like pure gibberish since you completely misunderstood the abstract that you linked to. Otherwise you wouldn't have imagined that it supported your concept of "situational callousness". There is nothing situational about it.
What you also don't seem to 'grok' is that psychopaths are very good at pretending to have "empathy in general but not for their victims," who always seem to deserve being abused by the psychopath, in the psychopath's opinion. That also appears to have been the case with our local sex monster Peter Madsen, for instance, and in my opinion it's very similar to the kind of glib 'empathy' that Donald Trump exhibits to his followers. It's pretence only, but some people fall for that, the glib charm of the predator. |
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27th April 2018, 06:30 AM | #234 |
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In the wake of the Kim Wall case in Denmark, Hanne Helth, a former social worker writes:
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”In my years as a social worker working with prostitutes, I saw how many men are able to compartmentalize good and evil. In the street or in brothels, decent middle-class and family men bought (release for) their urge for violence and for tormenting women.” I don't find it strange that she doesn’t understand why “some men feel the urge to hate, torment and dismember women” – in the OP I asked approximately the same question. What does surprise me, however, is the many comments to her article from men who see it as an attack on all men, even though she only talks about many and never says all men. I mean, why feel threatened by the question? Instead of getting angry at her for asking the question, they could either answer it if they think they have an explanation, or they could share her bewilderment and try to at least contribute to an explanation. |
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29th April 2018, 03:25 AM | #235 |
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An article in the Guardian today about the widespread use of mysogynist terms in social media: Violent misogyny is unfortunately not confined to the internet’s ‘incels’ (Apr. 29, 2018)
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29th April 2018, 06:48 AM | #236 |
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29th April 2018, 07:49 AM | #237 |
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I didn't even notice it, but now that I do, yes, it's pretty bad: "You're in a better place."
I know it's people trying to come to terms with their grief, but it almost makes it sound as if the incel mass murder were something to be grateful for. |
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29th April 2018, 08:18 AM | #238 |
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Not what I was referring to. It's a surprisingly common mistake in symbols.
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29th April 2018, 11:15 AM | #239 |
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One more thing I didn't notice!
I hope the van used by the mass murderer wasn't a Mercedes! |
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21st May 2018, 05:48 AM | #240 |
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Poverty Is Sexist!
Damn straight, it is! Sexual abuse of employees by employers, CEOs etc. wouldn't be possible without the financial superiority of the latter and the financial dependency of the former. |
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