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24th February 2018, 10:44 AM | #1 |
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Hillary Clinton is Done: Part 5 (The Doniest)
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24th February 2018, 10:52 AM | #2 |
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It seems some people still remember (against their will) that the first three installments of this thread were purely insisting that the very idea of her being done was ridiculous, with the bottom feeders spamming the thread with "Is she done yet?" every other day. It still hurts a lot, it appears. |
24th February 2018, 11:00 AM | #3 |
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It's kind of like sports really. Watching a game is more fun if you are rooting for a player or team, but disliking a player or team can also make a game fun to watch. In the same way, even though I'm not a Republican, I never liked Hillary, so it's fun following her train wreck of a career.
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24th February 2018, 12:02 PM | #4 |
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To remind us of what Trump was up against, just armed with a flag...
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24th February 2018, 01:13 PM | #5 |
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Nope- absolutely the wrong guess as to my motivation. Ha, I have no sympathy for Ms. Clinton and my views of the thread do not originate in any way from a defensive "leave Hillary alone" perspective. Hillary is done. She would have long ago passed out of the public's eye, except the Hillary bashers keep her alive and visible while at the same time complaining about it.
I understand why Trump seeks to keep her the Emmanuel Goldstein Two-Minute Hate target, but this is such a transparent and embarrassingly political ploy! I am not concerned that a dead horse suffers from being beaten; buy into the Hillary bashing and whip and kick the horse as many times as you wish if it makes you happy... I am simply saying that the whole exercise is a waste of time and a major distraction from time better spent on discussions of more important, current, and relevant political topics. But then again that is exactly what Trump and the Republican party seek... |
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24th February 2018, 02:19 PM | #7 |
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Believe it or not, I'm just trying to help the Hillary bashers: the intensity of their hatred is such that I wonder if it is unhealthy for the bearer. I also feel bad for those among them who are otherwise well-intentioned but who have fallen prey to this cynical political manipulation and are being exploited by it.
However, if I suppress these natural, altruistic wishes to bring serenity and peace of mind to all with whom I interact, I am in fact often pleased to see the bashers waste their time by this venting on a deceased equine. Sure, we all can talk about more than one thing at a time, but one does not have an infinite amount of time or energy or thought. Or even hate. One must prioritize if one wishes to formulate and present opinions clearly and convincingly. And one can loss credibility by railing too much on a moot and meaningless topic. For these reasons the list of things on which I pontificate doesn't include the ways my girlfriend of 1972 "done me wrong." |
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I am enormously cynical and would be the last person on Earth to embrace kittens, Hallmark cards, or... Hillary. For most of my life people who spoke of love and universal brotherhood seemed embarrassingly naive to me and I prided myself on being hard core. But at long last, after many decades of experience, I have finally made an observation that I see as an absolute truth: one should not embrace viewpoints that are motivated by hatred. Such viewpoints do not lead us toward the goal of becoming better individuals or achieving a better society. They may feel good for awhile, but they leave terrible hangovers. Which is one reason I am bugged by Hillary bashing.
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The Doniest People's Republic. That's where Killary is president.
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Yes, it is sad that a small cadre of Killery-bashers continue to dance silly little jigs around her mummified corpse, in the pathetically misguided belief that, in doing so, they are hurting the feelings of Hillary's die-hard followers.
In reality, Hillary had precious few die-hard followers, even in her heyday. Most of those who voted for Hillary did so in rational recognition of the fact that Hillary was a lesser evil than... DONAMIR PUTINTRUMP, absolute composite ruler of @200 million devoted Putrumpkins. http://nancyburson.com/wp-content/up...n_High_Res.jpg
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Funny because I seem to remember Hillary being the only Democratic candidate pushed by the DNC, and the only one with any chance of winning the nomination out of the few who even ran. All of this happened before Trump was seen as having any chance of winning the nomination at all, so the "battling evil Trump with Hillary" is not true. She got the nomination overwhelmingly and there was never any doubt she would. Someone sure liked her. "We didn't really like her anyways". Heck of a campaign strategy. |
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4th March 2018, 01:38 PM | #14 |
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I suggest at you remember incorrectly. The DNC has no function is pushing any candidate, and nor are they able to do so.
The worst that is able to be said is that some members of the DNC favoured Hillary to win, but such was kept to internal discourse and only occurred prior to other candidates officially entering the race, or after Hillary was clearly going to win based on the nominated delegates. The DNC have no mechanisms to influence the primaries. They don't control the State branches of the party, they don't control the Supers, they don't control the electors. They have nothing to do with funding during the primaries, not in advertising or campaign management. Their job prior to the Convention is to file paperwork, which they did equally for both sides, even making sure that late submissions by Bernie's team didn't disqualify him from several ballots as it should have by law, and organising the Convention itself. It's not until after the convention that they are opened up to pushing their candidate and helping the primary winning campaign. Bernie's big problems were nothing to do with the DNC, it was a failure to get his message to resonate with the mainstream Democrat voter. He also failed to woo the supers, even failing to send them materials when they requested it, but rather attacking them for their choosing someone that they knew well and who had been with the party for the vast majority of her life, over someone that they didn't know, whose campaign didn't seem that interested in getting them on his side, instead they spent far more time complaining about them which likely turned them off even more. |
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Can we stop being quite so Pollyanna-ish? The DNC favored Clinton, but by default. O'Malley was never on the radar but had he developed any sort of following, they would've gotten behind him. If Biden had chosen to run, there would've been a serious firefight, not dissimilar to Obama usurping Hillary's coronation in '08. But Bernie was a DINENO, a Democrat in not even name only. He was never taken seriously because he didn't have a prayer and even when he showed any sort of strength, big meetings on the quad, vocal minorities running roughshod over caucuses and internet armies... was all a little too Ron Paul. Horrible signal:noise ratio.
The DNC is not the United Nations. They are out to get Democratic Party wins. They didn't, honestly, think they could win with Sanders. But we've been through this thing of "hard" vs "soft" support for Hillary. Many progressives and lefties (like myself) supported Clinton grudgingly because since 2000 it has become apparent that the Republicans need to be stopped. Anyone who doubted that has to just see what's crawled out from under the rocks since Trump's kleptokrat klan got elected. We had a real prominent conservative on these boards who tried to sell us that checks and balances would protect us from Trump. Yeah, sure. When hell freezes over. |
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4th March 2018, 08:26 PM | #21 |
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Remember the people who ran in the Republican primary?
Those were the people HIllary's supporters chose Hillary over, including Sanders, who isn't even a Democrat and would probably have lost even to Shutdown Boy Ted Cruz, the most universally despised Senator in Washington. The one that ended up beating all of them has an approval rating that would be cardiac arrest if it was a heartbeat. The prosecution rests. Oh. Almost forgot. HAIL PUTINTRUMP! |
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Same here.
During the election (and still now) it was beyond my comprehension how self-styled progressives failed to see Trump as the real and present danger he has proven to be. And this happened when SCOTUS was swing-able for the first time in a generation. Even though Bernie didn't stand a chance, and even though Stein is a sorry joke, I don't begrudge anyone for supporting them in the primaries. However I'll never forgive their supporters for opposing Clinton in the general. These binary-thinking dimwits owe the world an apology. I fear that won't stop them from staging a sequel though. |
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The GOP is out celebrating today that congenital liar Hillary ain't done, because her bitter recriminations after she lost the General are coming back to haunt her and them:
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In California this is already an issue, with some "Progs" challenging more centrist democracts in some House districts which are light red;ie they favor a Republican but by a small margin with a large swing vote factor.. Danger is that since in California the top two vote getters in the primaries ,regardless of party, face each other in the general election, that the Democratic will be so divided that you will have two Republicans facing each other in November.
Fact is, the Democrats now have their own version of the Tea Party...die hard ideologues for whom ideological purity outranks every other consideration. |
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Hillary who?
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Why is this thread still a thing?
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Because Hillary just humiliated herself and her country by running her huge mouth while on a junket in India, potentially causing her erstwhile party mates an election or two.
There are literally two separate links about this exact subject. Thanks tho for faking the time to check in. |
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Hilary embarrassed her country?
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I'm still waiting to hear anything she said there that was wrong.
Conservatives are more likely to be authoritarians who listen to "the man of the house"? Small towns tend to look backwards to some extent? Dolt 45 is an obvious bigot who appealed to bigotry? That's all true. |
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Nope, she said that she lost because of racism and all sorts of other isms, and that sophisticated people voted for her while people in backwards did not.
As such, she managed to dribble out more excuses why she lost (none of which had to do with her execrable campaign, history of lying and terrible personality) while at the same time offending those people who did support her in those backwards places while jeopardizing on going election campaigns of democrats who supported her (McCaskill in Missouri). all to feed her monstrous ego. This was of course laid out in the articles (plural) I linked. Thanks Hillary. |
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Technically, saying that more idiots voted for Trump and more sophisticated people for her isn't an excuse for having lost: she is just saying that she was targeting a different audience than Trump.
Clinton's loss was so close that any single thing was probably enough to let Trump win. |
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She said a couple of other specific things that, for some reason, are still treated as shocks: First, Dolt 45 ran on white supremacism. Second, people that vote in declining homogeneous small towns tend to vote for "the past".
The first is undisputed at this point - and he has gone to great lengths to govern accordingly. The second, when you listen to what these folks are saying, also seems pretty obvious - and the two are plainly combined by these people themselves. I'm not the sort that just says "these people need to move" and end it there, but really, neither was Clinton. If people freak out over these obvious facts - well, they look like a bad pro wrestler flopping around when a punch landed nowhere near them. (A third is the "man of the house is the ruler" idea - which, again, we see plenty of in the US, so not really in dispute) |
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Which is pretty much correct.
It is true that she made mistakes with her campaign (and those mistakes might have tipped the balance). Even Clinton has admitted that. But its pretty clear that racism/sexism played a part in Trump's victory.
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The fact is, Trump's victory was based in large part on the racism, sexism and all sorts of bigotry inherent in his supporters. Most Trump supporters may point to things like "Clinton's lies/personality", but for the most part its a fig leaf. A thin veneer that they can point to to cover up their bigotry. |
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Dems are angry over Clinton's latest stupid comments
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In interviews with The Hill on Tuesday, even the staunchest Clinton allies as well as longtime advisers say the comments were cringeworthy and ultimately detrimental to Democrats. “She put herself in a position where [Democrats] from states that Trump won will have to distance themselves from her even more,” said one former senior Clinton aide. “That’s a lot of states.” |
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