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9th March 2018, 12:30 AM | #1 |
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The Trump/Kim Summit - USA v No. Korea - General Discussion
For those of you living under a cabbage leaf, it has been announced that the little blusterer and the big blusterer are going to get together for a summit.
It is to take place, purportedly, sometime in May. This merits its own thread and might even belong in general politics(of the Non-USA sort) but most of the people following the story probably find their threads in USA Politics. But move it if you must. > Will the "summit" actually take place? > Is Kim pulling one of the famous North Korean feints and will hold the talks come away with a billion barrels worth of oil, six million tons of wheat and a new PlayStation, and then go "Ha ha just kidding, we will destroy you!" > Is Donnie Johnny in the least serious? Or has he been painted into a corner by breaking events in South Korea and is now politically pressured into putting up a good show? Will he scuttle the whole thing. > Is there a possibility that either or both sides are sincere about this and not just looking for the photo ops? |
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9th March 2018, 12:47 AM | #2 |
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Don't know if it will happen or not but at least it means armed conflict is less likely over the next few months, which has to be a good thing.
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9th March 2018, 01:11 AM | #3 |
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I don't think Trump has created conflicts just to solve them. Trump and Kim will tighten their tacit alliance to exploit their conflict so any better condition will only be the calm parts of the roller-coaster ride both exploit politically.
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9th March 2018, 01:24 AM | #4 |
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I would bet China is behind this. What will be the quid pro quo? Tariffs? Nine dash line?
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9th March 2018, 01:28 AM | #5 |
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Doubt it will happen because both will want guarantees they will "win".
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9th March 2018, 01:46 AM | #6 |
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Trump and his advisors need to do some reading, particularly in the area of USA-Japan political and economic relations in the period 1937 to 1941.
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9th March 2018, 01:49 AM | #7 |
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Trump read?????
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9th March 2018, 02:28 AM | #8 |
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9th March 2018, 02:33 AM | #9 |
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Kim-Jong won't give up the nukes he already has, but he might promise not to make more.
Any actual disarmament would be a big surprise to me. |
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9th March 2018, 03:04 AM | #10 |
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Trump is being played by the North Koreans. They want the prestige, status and validation of being seen as an equal to the US which has been it's main enemy. With nuclear arms at least theoretically threatening continental US, having meetings with an American President will allow them to claim that they brought the Americans to the negotiation table.
If a meeting happens it would be a huge propaganda coup for North Korea. |
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9th March 2018, 03:26 AM | #13 |
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Yep, that is the message Trump is sending: if you want the US to deal with you on an equal footing, make the president come to you, threaten the US with WMDs.
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This.
Kim is under no pressure whatever to do anything but smile and look leaderlike for the Nork cameras. Donny will be edited to look like a bumbling capitalist fool...not a stretch. The footage will be shown globally behind their ace newsreader lady, proclaiming the greatness of Kim and NK in strident tones. Yet again. Meanwhile Donny will have yet another PR disaster on his hands, having been shown up as the art of the bad deal maker yet again. Hey look! China!! Mexicans! Muslims! Beautiful big wall! |
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9th March 2018, 04:01 AM | #16 |
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The secret weapon of Trump's is a post-it with "I hear you" written in it.
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9th March 2018, 04:11 AM | #17 |
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Dumpf dumbf trumpf!!!! What is it called when two raving ******** meet???????
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9th March 2018, 04:34 AM | #18 |
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I'm curious about where this will happen. North Korean leaders are famed for never flying, always traveling on an armored train. Will Lunch Box go to the South? I doubt the DoD or Secret Service would support a meeting at the DMZ. Vladivostok is an option as are a couple of cities in China. Of course the Russians and Chinese would want something to use their territory.
Kim can't go to the South, give up anything to the US and then return. The loser always goes to the victor. |
9th March 2018, 04:51 AM | #19 |
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Of all the presidents we have had since 1950 who could have met with the leader of North Korea, why this one?
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9th March 2018, 05:03 AM | #21 |
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He can if he gets what he wants: denuclearizing Korea and some limited freedom in exchange of both the South and the USA acknowledging the independence of the North, all American troupes deployed in the south to be withdrawn, all economic sanctions to be ended and the South financing the North in a permanent way.
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9th March 2018, 05:06 AM | #22 |
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This is exactly what I was thinking. This continues the rewards for bad behaviour that Kim Jong un has been working on the whole time.
I actually thought that Trump may have actually got something right, if by accident, when he was calling Kim Jong un's bluff. But of course, Trump and his supporters will spin this as making Kim so afraid that he has to beg for talks. Kim will say the same about Trump. Maybe they both win from a PR point of view, but this has always been part of the North Korean end-game. |
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Is it possible that Kim has something on Trump (probably courtesy of Putin)? He might want a face to face so he can blackmail him into easing sanctions and making other concessions in return for sod all.
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What are the odds this is just trump misspeaking like when he was for a clean DACA bill?
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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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Primarily the North Koreans - they are the intended audience of Kim's likely propaganda machine AND the people who care that this is how it spins.
The other people who will spin the matter this way are 45's supporters - they will spin it the opposite way (Kim awed by 45 and finally recognizing that his pissant country has met its match in the power of MAGA agrees to accede to the firm but fair US) |
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Sorry! Never mind.
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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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