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21st April 2018, 08:59 PM | #361 |
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Google's drag-&-drop image search shows that the same image has been used as a stock image for a variety of articles about North Korea on different subjects. Some are years old. Most are just reports on whichever test explosion was the latest one at the time or just general comments that their research is continuing or speculation over whether they'll quit or how soon they'll have a weapon ready or whether one of the tests they've done might have been a fusion bomb (which would contain a fission bomb). The only one that gave a specific yield number in its headline gave a different one from yours. Others aren't even about nukes at all but just missiles (which might be related to the future missiles that could someday carry nukes), so including the image there would mean they're saying it's a missile, not a bomb. A few pages it's used at aren't even about weapons at all but the country's economy, implying that it could be a piece of civilian equipment.
What they all have in common, other than using the same image, that none of them actually identify what it is. They just dump a picture of Kim and some other NK guys in front of a metal thing with some hoses/wires sticking out of it in their article and let the reader imagine that it might be something that's actually related. The only page I've seen that even speculates about the image's identity at all says it "might be" a "miniaturized" representation of a nuke. (It almost definitely can't be a real one or even a real one minus the radioactive parts, not only because of the size, but also because the environment doesn't look like the kind of place where that kind of work happens; it's too empty and plain, and the display behind them looks more like it's meant for a museum or an industry convention... or a meeting with a politician). |
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Jeez, what a buzzkill!
The looney-right want something, anything!, to get all frothed over as a diversion to Donny's peurile, racist antics and the tightening of the Mueller noose, and you've gone and poured cold water over the biggest "positive" thing they've had for months. Yay! Trump is putting the Norks in their place! 'Murica! **** yeah! Donny is failing singularly to realise the South Koreans, Chinese and Japanese have been quietly setting him up for the blame when North Korea fails once again to live up to whatever "deal" Donny thought he had forced out of them. And he will rapidly back-pedal and try to blame someone else, anybody else, as long as it isn't him. Meanwhile, it will be the other parties, erstwhile US allies, who will save the day. They know how to play this propaganda game far better than he does. |
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22nd April 2018, 06:21 AM | #364 |
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Trump speaks on the subject
Sleepy Eyes Chuck Todd of Fake News NBC just stated that we have given up so much in our negotiations with North Korea, and they have given up nothing. Wow, we haven’t given up anything & they have agreed to denuclearization (so great for World), site closure, & no more testing!..." "....We are a long way from conclusion on North Korea, maybe things will work out, and maybe they won’t - only time will tell....But the work I am doing now should have been done a long time ago!" |
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Okay, never mind then.
Also, the yield of the last test in September varies quite a bit depending on who you ask. South Koreas weather agency says 50-60 kilotons, NORSAR Seismology Center says 120 kilotons, US Intelligence/Air Force Technical Operations Center originally said 140 kilotons but later revised their estimate to 70-280 kilotons, various other estimates fall in between these values. |
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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...37292932653056
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He's at the keyboard again.
"Funny how all of the Pundits that couldn’t come close to making a deal on North Korea are now all over the place telling me how to make a deal!" Does he know what a 'pundit' is? |
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Yeah, and they can type too!
It’s pretty easy to see where Trump is driving this. Look at the job the educated Obama did. Look at the job his educated administration did. So instead of crowing about the wonderfully educated people, you might want to concentrate on policy. Because both sides have educated people. |
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Originally Posted by logger;12267246&
But that deflection doesn't hide your categorical despise for any educated group: "historians are lame and don't know Trump's cabinet from shinola". That is not an opinion ... that is not even Dunning-Kruger ... that is the good o'le ŕ-la-Schopenhauer ressentiment. |
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If NK comes around to some version of sanity while Trump is around I'm not going to complain. There are much worse outcomes.
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That is so very interesting. You recognizing that leading from behind is disastrous.
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Trump just successfully proved north koreas strategy. Iran tried diplomacy and is constantly at risk of getting their non nuclear treaty thrown away on a political whim by Trump, but the strength of Korean nukes forced Trump to the table. This just shows finally and forever that nukes are the way forward for dictators.
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Who are you claiming actually thinks that nonsense?
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Originally Posted by logger
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Despite Trump saying that North Korea has "agreed to denucleralization" you'd have to be both incredibly dumb and outrageously gullible to believe that Kim would give up the nuclear weapons he and his predecessors have spent so much effort in getting. |
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If Trump achieves having the Chinese-Usaian tariff problem unsolved for years, which is a distinct possibility, then he can keep the fantasy he's achieving the denuclearization of North Korea until he is re-elected in 2020 (in a campaign revolving around rushed executive orders and assorted ukases that will leave the Democrats out of balance and looking as amateurs)
So far, I reckon that's his plan. The only way to avoid it is, for North Korea, flipping the South with a seduction policy; for the Democrats, to smart up, step down the pedestal and remove the sticks that protrude from their lower behinds. |
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It seems like the logical effect, it certainly will be if(or likely when) Trump sinks the Iran deal. THey gave up several nukes worth of enriched uranium and destroyed their nuclear program for nothing then. And Kim gets the benefits of properly joining the nuclear club.
How is that not a reasonable reading of the events? |
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And look at what destroying their nuclear program got Iran when the whole deal might be sunk and after they gave up their weapons grade uranium and most of their uranium stocks.
Clearly negotiating and disarmament is not a long term viable plan. I mean does anyone seriously think Trump will affirm the continuance of the Iran deal? His whole cabinet seems to prefer war. |
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That's it. At the moment America can't be counted on to honour treaties and agreements. Trump will ignore or scrap them on a whim.
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Plus, Putin needs Trump in the White House like a hog needs slop. To that end, it is completely predictable that Putin is even now seeking to convince Kim to give Trump a Big Win at their summit. Likely already has. It is almost obscene the way Kim is luring Trump to the table like a pole dancing ho.
Putin' argument is simple and compelling. Make a big show of "denuclearizing". Wait until after the 2020 election. Then, with Trump firmly implanted in the White House for another term, Kim can jump out of the closet with his hidden stash of nukes and declare North Korea a permanent member of the nuclear club, with full blackmail privileges. Trump will be a doddering old geriatric with a Putin fixation, and Washington will be vulnerable to a nuclear strike from North Korea. Putin will be a made man, with his chosen mark in the White House, his nuclear attack dog in North Korea, and the sanctions a thing of the past. Kim will be forever grateful and loyal to Putin. Like a good attack dog. Politikers will be tucking tail and sneaking out of Washington. |
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Kim doesn't need Putin to do anything. Trump will give him what he wants anyway.
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